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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Accurate Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Jon_Kol on August 15, 2015, 05:26:55 PM

Title: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 15, 2015, 05:26:55 PM
Hi!

As mentioned in my other post regarding this reel, it was pretty much sent to me it a couple of small plastic bags. I've just replaced the two spool bearings (that were rusted inside and did not move), and putting the reel back together goes flawless until I secure each side of the spool shaft with the E-clips that are meant to be there.

What happens then, is that it's impossible to move the lever from Free to engaged position. When trying to move it from Free, I can see the tension cam (part #27 in this schematic: https://www.accuratefishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bx.ipb_1.pdf) being pushed outwards, but due to the E-clips on both sides of the spool shaft, there isn't enough room for the shaft to move. It seems that either the left hand side E-clip or the right hand side E-clip is preventing the spool shaft to move as it should, it's just too tight.

Now, I've followed this excellent tutorial (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8425.0) to make sure that I wasn't missing out on something and it looks like I've done everything right on this first attempt after installing the new spool bearings. HOWEVER... it is obvious that the reel I was sent, is missing the two washers shown here:

(http://imageshack.com/a/img19/6778/l9cr.jpg)

Is this what's causing the lever on the reel that I have here to be halted from leaving the Free position? To my logic, it would seem that adding these two washers would make the spool shaft movement even more reduced? Or have I been sitting too long right next to the open ReelX bottle? :D

Inputs, please?

The spool shaft moves freely, there are no longer any stuck spool bearings, free spool is good, and I'm able to secure the E-clips just as the tutorial shows. The tension cam seems to be working fine after I was able to seperate the two parts that were stuck together earlier on, and the #25 Tension Cam Track sits exactly like the one in the tutorial. Still, no way it's possible to engage the lever.
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 15, 2015, 06:54:50 PM
your correct don't worry about the missing washers. my bx-500n also don't have these washers. if your spool assembly is correct i'm thinking the issue is in the cam assembly. just as AlanT said "disassemble and assemble again" and most of the time that will resolve the issue...gotta go to basspro and buy me a new toy. "I'LL BE BACK"...
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: alantani on August 15, 2015, 11:32:27 PM
when the preset knob is too tight, the lever can be nearly impossible to push forward.  the preset knob has to be backed all the way off.  if that doesn't work, then try removing a washer or two to make more room.  you can grind down the cam, but that is a whole different discussion to address a whole different problem. 
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 15, 2015, 11:46:13 PM
Quote from: alantani on August 15, 2015, 11:32:27 PM
when the preset knob is too tight, the lever can be nearly impossible to push forward.  the preset knob has to be backed all the way off.  if that doesn't work, then try removing a washer or two to make more room.  you can grind down the cam, but that is a whole different discussion to address a whole different problem. 

Thanks, this is exactly what I've been pondering all night.. this is a reel that's seen some battle damage, and the preset knob is very tight no matter how I try to make it work its way back and forth on the threads.

Can it be that a new preset knob + cam could do the trick? I've been sitting here now, hours on end, and tried everything to see if there's something that I've missed. But the same thing happens: As soon as the E-clip is attached to the left side of the spool shaft, it seems that the shaft becomes too tight to address the lever when the right side E-clip is attached as well. I can see the preset knob being pushed outward just a bit, then it's stuck. As in really stuck.

Is it possible to get the preset knob and cam as spare parts? Does anyone know what it will cost?
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 15, 2015, 11:57:58 PM
Oh, and there are no washers to remove.. this reel is missing the two washers that are suppose to be located on the left side of the spool shaft. I will go through my stuff here tomorrow and see if I have some thinner E-clips, maybe that might be just enough.
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: alantani on August 16, 2015, 12:19:01 AM
is the cam properly seated in the lever?
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 16, 2015, 02:24:51 AM
i read somewhere, maybe here or accurate's site that if you turn the preset knob counter clockwise(loosening) too much something is going to break. maybe at one point somebody did this accidentally. well let's hope not so you don't have to buy the parts. btw is the cast control set at minimum?
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 16, 2015, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: alantani on August 16, 2015, 12:19:01 AM
is the cam properly seated in the lever?

I was a bit worried about that myself, but having looked at the tutorial over and over again, I can't see much difference between this:

(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/stadjon/accuratecam_zpstbg6b59s.jpg)

And this, taken from the tutorial:

(http://imageshack.com/a/img822/8139/kcwp.jpg)
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 16, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
how about the other side? is part 27 seated properly on part 25?
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 16, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
ooops the master is helping you. what do i know?  :D ;D
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 17, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Quote from: MeL B on August 16, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
how about the other side? is part 27 seated properly on part 25?

Every input is appreciated. I've tried several ways with the parts, same thing happens - the lever is stopped by the E-clips making the shaft too tight. If I remove the right hand side E-clip as a test, the lever moves freely as it should.

I've emailed a man at Accurate now, hopefully he'll be able to give me info on parts, prices etc.
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 17, 2015, 04:50:09 PM
"Every input is appreciated"

i like to believe you but sorry i don't... ::)
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on August 17, 2015, 10:29:11 PM
Quote from: MeL B on August 17, 2015, 04:50:09 PM
"Every input is appreciated"

i like to believe you but sorry i don't... ::)

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Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Dr. Jekyll - AKA MeL B on August 17, 2015, 10:53:24 PM
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Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on September 04, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
After a few e-mails, it's been decided that the service tech at Accurate will send me a new preset assembly for the reel. Most likely some of the threads are damaged, making it impossible to make the preset screw go deep enough. There's no visible damage to the threads, but the gut feeling is that there's something there that the eye can't see, but the fingers feel.

We'll give it a shot and see, hopefully this is what breaks the case. It's the only piece missing from getting a rough reel fishable once more.
Title: Re: Accurate BX400N - lever won't move when spool shaft is secured with e-clips
Post by: Jon_Kol on September 28, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
After talking with the service tech at Accurate, he sent me the new preset assembly - as mentioned in my previous post. I got the parts this weekend, and it all came together at once with the new part(s). So my theory was correct; the threads were damaged enough so that the preset screw could not go deep enough when adjusting for less/more drag. This very small damage was not possible to see, so it was more of a gut feeling that this had to be the solution. Luckily, it was correct. So today the reel left the building - heading back to its owner to hunt for more hailbut in the cold seas outside of Norway. I hope the owner will be happy about getting his favorite reel back, now also in working order.

Thanks to everyone who have contributed with suggestions and informative posts!

(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/stadjon/accurate_zpswmoduxed.jpg)