Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on December 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM

Title: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
Picked me up a 6/0. I ordered a drag kit for one of these by Mistake. Sounds like a good enough reason to me! ;) I'm a sucker for a red handle.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_21601_zps01507d38.jpg)
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Keta on December 08, 2013, 05:56:31 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on December 08, 2013, 05:53:54 PM
Picked me up a 6/0. I ordered a drag kit for one of these by Mistake.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that does this, I have several reels I got this way.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 08, 2013, 06:53:59 PM
I have been looking for one for quite some time. Usually is this shape, they are asking about a hundred.
I got this one for $54 shipped! Good things come to those who wait! ;)
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Keta on December 08, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
My 114 was a strange acquire.  My wife called from an estate sale and asked me if I was looking for a Penn 144 (she honestly thinks there is something like too many reels) and I  said there was no such reel.  She looked again (her eyes are worse than mine) and said I was wrong and what did I think it was worth.  I said offer them $20 for it and they took it....she brought home a little used 114 with the marlin on the side plate.

I picked up a 113 in very good shape when a customer dropped some reels of to service and he said I could have it for parts.  Many people do not value these old reels.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 09, 2013, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: Keta on December 08, 2013, 07:27:05 PM
 Many people do not value these old reels.
I do! ;)
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Keta on December 09, 2013, 08:08:12 PM
X3
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: George4741 on December 10, 2013, 03:55:56 PM
I think the black 113 and 114 are great reels!  Being narrow minded, I just think the originals are too wide.  If you want to see what can be done with a black 114, check out John's narrowed version.  Neat stuff!
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6674.0
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: floating doc on December 13, 2013, 01:26:58 PM
I really like this narrow 114 in the link.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Newell Nut on December 13, 2013, 03:58:34 PM
Come over one day and you can put your hands on a Narrow 114 Beast of a reel. Handles really nice.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Alto Mare on December 13, 2013, 04:17:15 PM
Quote from: George4741 on December 10, 2013, 03:55:56 PM
I think the black 113 and 114 are great reels!  Being narrow minded, I just think the originals are too wide.  If you want to see what can be done with a black 114, check out John's narrowed version.  Neat stuff!
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6674.0
We could do the same to the 113 and many others that have the narrowed kit available.
This was one of the reason I was looking for a lathe.
Usually, the left side of the spool is the same, except for the thickness. The shaft on the right is longer, but can be modified easily, good tools are needed though, I can't do with my dremel;D.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: floating doc on December 13, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on December 13, 2013, 03:58:34 PM
Come over one day and you can put your hands on a Narrow 114 Beast of a reel. Handles really nice.

Sounds good! I haven't thought about the 114 much, but I really am impressed with these.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 06, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
I wasn't going to take any pictures while cleaning this reel up and putting in a 5 stack, but it is just too pristine not too.(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22201_zps46055158.jpg)
Shiny,Shiny ;D
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22211_zps17337e87.jpg)
Other than a lot of oil inside, this reel is was like new. Steel gears too.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22221_zps808f43d2.jpg)
Done.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22231_zps159b92fa.jpg)
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Bryan Young on January 06, 2014, 08:21:51 PM
Sweet. I hope to have a 7 stack for that reel in the future.  I mis-measured the drag washers and cut the OD 1 mm too large.  I'm going to see if I can mount a whole mess of washers on and arbor and mount the arbor on a lathe and cut them down.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Alto Mare on January 06, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
Don't mess with those, as I mentioned earlier they are perfect for Lee's inserts.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Bryan Young on January 06, 2014, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 06, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
Don't mess with those, as I mentioned earlier they are perfect for Lee's inserts.
How much thinner are the washers with the inserts?  The washers seem rather thin (OD to ID) to fit an insert.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Alto Mare on January 07, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
OD and ID are spot on. Lees are 1.18mm yours are .53mm in thickness, I'm thinking yours might generate too much drag on those. We could change the combination, but that would defeat the purpose.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 07, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
Fill me in Sal about what you guys are talking about. A Hex insert for a stock 6/0?
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Keta on January 07, 2014, 01:57:33 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 06, 2014, 11:12:17 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 06, 2014, 10:21:56 PM
Don't mess with those, as I mentioned earlier they are perfect for Lee's inserts.
How much thinner are the washers with the inserts?  The washers seem rather thin (OD to ID) to fit an insert.

I don't have the dimensions but the octagon adapters work well in the small 5-60 and 5-66 gears.

Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 07, 2014, 01:13:37 AM
Fill me in Sal about what you guys are talking about. A Hex insert for a stock 6/0?

After I do the larger reels.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Alto Mare on January 07, 2014, 02:10:36 AM
Sorry Daron, I was telling Bryan that his washers that are too big for the 114  will fit perfectly in Lee's 114H insert.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/001_zps68c2e092.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/001_zps68c2e092.jpg.html)

Washer on the right is lees, stocked on top of Bryans,. washer on the left is Bryans, stocked on top of Lees.
As you can see dimensions are the same, but not on thickness.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 07, 2014, 02:55:25 AM
I See. :) Very Interesting. Maybe I won't have to take out a Mortgage to Hex all my 114's and 9/0's now. ;D
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Bryan Young on January 07, 2014, 03:08:28 AM
Oh got it.
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: George4741 on January 07, 2014, 03:11:00 AM
I installed a 1+7 drag in my 114 and, if I remember correctly, it got 33lbs drag.  Very respectable and more than enough for this old boy.  
Title: Re: 114 Black
Post by: Ron Jones on January 08, 2014, 07:21:43 AM
Lee
Are you selling the 114H inserts yet?
Ron