And if possible - I can't be the only one who would want these.....
I'd be in for two sets for sure
Quote from: Joel.B on April 06, 2013, 04:56:59 AM
And if possible - I can't be the only one who would want these.....
I'd be in for two sets for sure
Everything is possible if there is a demand for it. Currently, I am working on 114H 3.25: 1 and 112H/JigMaster 500 5:1.
This would be cool if the gear was slightly deeper or hex shape to get a little more drag out of my beloved 140's.
I've considered re-designing a drag kit for the squiders, but have service many that have warped spool shafts. i just don't think those reels are designed to handle more than 8# of drag.
I have also dealt with spool shaft issue on 140's. I have a 146 in front of me now and would love to find some gears for it.
I would be into better gears for the 140.
I would really like these gears. Especially with stronger drags. I agree that a Newell kit or aluminum frame would be mandatory but what great little reels it would make. A built up fast 100 would be fantastic.
Ron
Accurate Magnum squidder sideplates use jigmaster gears I wish I could get some of those cuz I love my squidders but are to slow maybe someone will start making those.There is a guy on eBay getting a lot of tiburon frames and spools made wide jigmaster spools and frames for 500 & 505 he also has bluefin frames and spools but u can't use accuplates on them
That is why I bought a pro gear 255 and 251. Squidder size, jigmaster guts.
Then there is avet mxl's
So,
Wouldn't a 146 squidder w/ Jigmaster guts be a 501? I thought the spools were basically the same except the pinion notch.
Ron
The squidder spool and sideplate diameter is much smaller.
Here's another guy that would take a set of 4.5/1 or 5/1 gears for a 146. I don't know what you could get in there but I'm in for a set.
To be honest the speed would be secondary to strength for me. I really don't want a brass gear in any fishing reel. I understand that they are fine for the original design but I don't fish anything the way it was originally designed.
The great thing about this main gear is it is used in so many Penn reels. Just like Black Pearls 6/0 & 9/0 main this gear could be matched to just a few pinions and cover dozens of reels. If it was Hex you could even build it to put enough drag into the large Long Beaches and black Senators.
Ron
I would be in for a higher gear set also
Marc..
Quote from: noyb72 on February 07, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
To be honest the speed would be secondary to strength for me. I really don't want a brass gear in any fishing reel. I understand that they are fine for the original design but I don't fish anything the way it was originally designed.
The great thing about this main gear is it is used in so many Penn reels. Just like Black Pearls 6/0 & 9/0 main this gear could be matched to just a few pinions and cover dozens of reels. If it was Hex you could even build it to put enough drag into the large Long Beaches and black Senators.
Ron
A long beach 66 would be a pretty tough reel with a little upgrade
I'm still hoping for higher gears for the Squidder, they would sell like hot cakes 8)
Marc..
I'm in for 3 sets come on machinist and inventors I know there are quite a few here
I sure would love to have ss gears in my squidder
I'm in for three sets of stronger gears, faster is a bonus.
I'm amending my post, In for two. (Realized I sold my third 146).
Count me in for a few sets!
I was just going to ask...Is there a Stainless High Speed set for the squidder? I know of someone who would be interested in a set.
Quote from: franky on October 31, 2014, 07:12:21 PM
I was just going to ask...Is there a Stainless High Speed set for the squidder? I know of someone who would be interested in a set.
I don't have any idea yet because this project has not been starting in R&D department yet. It might be sometime next year.
If you want higher speed Squidders just get a Newell. The Newell 220/229/235 are equivalent to the Squidder 146/145/140 with 5:1 gears and Jigmaster drags. Replacement gear for the Squidders would have weaker gears due to the distance between the main and pinion remaining the same. To get faster gears you'd have smaller/weaker teeth on the gears which may be why they aren't available.
Quote from: MarkT on November 12, 2014, 04:14:59 AM
If you want higher speed Squidders just get a Newell. The Newell 220/229/235 are equivalent to the Squidder 146/145/140 with 5:1 gears and Jigmaster drags. Replacement gear for the Squidders would have weaker gears due to the distance between the main and pinion remaining the same. To get faster gears you'd have smaller/weaker teeth on the gears which may be why they aren't available.
Well saying if you want more get another reel is always been an option but it's not want got us reels like the tank. Wanting gears for these reels Is for the guys that just love their reel and want to upgrade and push for more. Mine would be the Penn 1/0 for example. As for weaker not so due to the much higher quality material the gears would be made of the gears would be stronger actually. I think a 4:1 or 4.5:1 would be perfect for this set.
Sure, a 'tank' with paper thin armor is a good idea. How much would new gears cost? How much could you get for your reel? What would it cost for a faster reel of the same capacity? It ain't rocket science. Of course, reels are like tinker toys, the parts can be swapped out/upgraded incrementally. How much sentimentality is associated with your reel? That can override the economics and engineering.
BTW, a 'tank' with paper thin armor was the M-18 Hellcat... As they say, firepower, speed, armor, pick any 2... they passed on armor and it worked out pretty well! However, a Squidder with faster gears would still have dime sized drags so all you'll have is the speed, no armor or firepower! I think they called those jeeps rather than tanks, still, it is a possibility.
My YTS will be maxed out once the stainless twin dog bridge for the 113h is available. It already has stainless 4:1 gears, gear stud and yoke, Tib topless frame and spool, upgraded bearings, drags and handle. For what I have invested I could buy a new 113HN which would be better but I'll still have the ultimate YTS... I win!
Quote from: MarkT on November 12, 2014, 06:08:08 AM
Sure, a 'tank' with paper thin armor is a good idea. How much would new gears cost? How much could you get for your reel? What would it cost for a faster reel of the same capacity? It ain't rocket science. Of course, reels are like tinker toys, the parts can be swapped out/upgraded incrementally. How much sentimentality is associated with your reel? That can override the economics and engineering.
BTW, a 'tank' with paper thin armor was the M-18 Hellcat... As they say, firepower, speed, armor, pick any 2... they passed on armor and it worked out pretty well! However, a Squidder with faster gears would still have dime sized drags so all you'll have is the speed, no armor or firepower! I think they called those jeeps rather than tanks, still, it is a possibility.
My YTS will be maxed out once the stainless twin dog bridge for the 113h is available. It already has stainless 4:1 gears, gear stud and yoke, Tib topless frame and spool, upgraded bearings, drags and handle. For what I have invested I could buy a new 113HN which would be better but I'll still have the ultimate YTS... I win!
I like how you made a case against it then for it. The gears are solid upgrade and will give more power and speed to those reels. For what the squidder is used for and how it is fished the gear set will only improve and more importantly bring confidence while fishing. Also, Bryans drag upgrades help this reel bench out at 15lbs of drag. Which at present is to much for the current gears set to handle.
As I said a different reel is always out there but the satisfaction of upgrading a reel then catching a solid beast on it brings a certain satisfaction (at least for me) that really makes it all worth it. As you must know with your YTS.
Really what this debate is just a difference of opinion. But I respect and understand where you are coming from.
Yep, sometimes you just gotta what you gotta do. Just throw practicality out the window and do it. Trouble is, a Squidder is such a weak platform to build on. If it's fine as is but you just want more speed then it might be doable. A tank it will never be. If that's what you want just get a ProGear 255/251 and call it good. Of course even with one of those you can go with some stainless inerds, Bryan's drags, better bearings, etc. It never ends. I'm looking to do that to my PG 545 as well as my YTS. My 255 never goes out on date night anymore, it just sits in the reel bag in the closet. I have too much stuff... It's called being a tackle 'ho.
Quote from: MarkT on November 12, 2014, 04:14:59 AM
If you want higher speed Squidders just get a Newell. The Newell 220/229/235 are equivalent to the Squidder 146/145/140 with 5:1 gears and Jigmaster drags. Replacement gear for the Squidders would have weaker gears due to the distance between the main and pinion remaining the same. To get faster gears you'd have smaller/weaker teeth on the gears which may be why they aren't available.
That's because we want a higher gear Squidder, if we wanted a hight speed Newell, we would ask for it ;)
I don't understand why some are concerned, it's seems obvious that we are doing it for the love of Penn reels, the fun of the possibilities of making updates to old technology, making it better . My first decent reel was a Penn 940, bought in 1982 , I still have it and still fish it, looks new because I took care of it, I'm like this with all the stuff that surrounds me, wish I had a 1957 Chev to restore :(
I like my Squidder , the only thing missing is SS higher gears
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Marc..
I agree with marcq,, I too love my squidder and I would like it even more if it had ss gears and ss dog. jeep, tank, weak, small.call it what you want to call it, I believe if alan made these available he would have no problem selling them. We should have a vote just to see how many members would be interested in ss gears.
I get it. I have the reel upgrade sickness too. The limitations of the Squidders have been well known for many decades and people are still chasing improvements and upgrades for them. I was just pointing out that the Newell 200 series were designed as upgraded Squidders as the 300 series are upgraded Jigmasters. After all, Newell (like Tiburon and Accurate) started making upgrades to those old Penns before he started making reels of his own. Of course, Newell is gone (Both Carl and the Company) and Penn is still making Squidders and Jigmasters so there you are.
Well penn is not making squidders anymore but atleast i can still order new parts for one if i need them. Unlike newell. By the way i'm still in for a set of gears. Cheers
The squidder gear set is used on many different reels ,it sure would be nice to replace the old steel gears with SS gears even at the same speed Doug
Quote from: Doug on December 03, 2014, 11:59:30 PM
The squidder gear set is used on many different reels ,it sure would be nice to replace the old steel gears with SS gears even at the same speed Doug
I agree!
I have a few that could use them
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I have a few more in their boxes...love these little reels ;)
I have one son that will take all the fishing trips I can afford to go on. The other son...not so much. With the help of all you fine folks here I pimped out all the old school Penn reels I own. I only own 500s, 505s, 506s and 114s. Aaaand a Pro Gear Pacifica.
All that aside I built a 146L on an older Cal Star for the son that doesn't care so much for fishin. I didn't want him to feel left out donchano. I Tib framed it, got a couple Accurate spools from A.T. (thanks), a 5 plate drag set-up, some nice bearings and a 2 hole crank handle from a 500.
Damm if this isn't one of my favorite rides. I always take it with me. As long as we're getting 15 pound Yellowtails on day boats, I am bringing this rod/reel with me. It casts a mile. Holds a decent amount of 20 pound line. Why not??
Here's why not....for jiggin it sucks with a 2.8 or 3.0 or whatever the retrieve rate is you just cannot rip a jig period! Hook and chovi...yeah but that's only half the game. What's neat about the Jigmasters and what really appeals to me is you can change from 30 to 40 pound line real quick and with all the stainless, 5:1 gears, 2x dogs and 5 plate drags, 50 pound line is not out of the question. Who would have thought a reel could do so much.
I agree with the other fella that said for the love of Penns and gettin more out of less. When I was hotroddin cars forty years ago it was big engine, little car, go fast! I still roll that way with my Penns! I love gettin the looks when I out-cast guys with Avets!!!
Thinner teeth with stainless shouldn't be much of a problem. Go to 440 if you're afraid of strength. Everybody is chiming in for sets. Let's get some speed for the Squidders. Yeaaaaaah!
Once upon a time a man named Carl Newell had this idea........
I want 3 sets lets get some built!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought I was "cured" of hot rodding when I moved away from the beach a couple years ago....then i fell into this wormhole you call a site last week and all of a sudden I'm looking at all my Penn's again and not liking chrome crossbars and little handles.....
any idea how I'll break to the wife that she's gotta sell her convertible? i'm gonna need about 50 Tibs.....
I also would like to upgrade my Squidder 140. Lots of thought around this upgrade. My thought is to each his own. I like the speed for the way I fish, if I have a fast retrieve I can control the speed to my liking, but if the retrieve is slow I am limited. We can talk about strength, but lets be real I'm not hunting for Bluefin with a Squidder. For a 5+1 stack that gives you more control on your drag, even more if you use fine thread.
Now we get down to cost..... Lets face it, you put 125,000 into restoring your 1955 Chevy but you can only sell it for 100,000 a 25,000 loss. The point is, you built it to your spec had fun doing it learned a lot get to meet some pretty amazing people on this web site, Win Win don't ya think.
Stay Well My Friend.
Quit Wishing Go Fishing.
-Tony
I would be in for a couple of sets.
Maybe Its time to make a Sqidder Magnum. With jigmaster gears and custom spool. Also adding a mag brake. It would make a killer surf reel.
Mike
If it's not too late, I'd also be interested in a set of SS higher ratio gears for my Squidder.
Sid
Re higher squidder gear ratios or squidder/ jigmaster hybrids (squidmaster), check out this thread -
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16842.msg176263#msg176263 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16842.msg176263#msg176263)
I think we covered most of it - plus some news from Alan C.