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Title: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 29, 2020, 03:26:24 PM
Good morning!  What kind of drag numbers should I be getting from a 114H with the open access drag stack with a full spool?  Just did one up and the drag pressure at lock down is around 14 lbs.  Is that normal?

Thanks!

Andy
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: Long Enuff on January 29, 2020, 04:23:14 PM
With a new carbon fiber 5 stack drag washer setup, I can get around 30 or better at the reel tested with a spring scale.
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: thorhammer on January 29, 2020, 04:37:16 PM
Sal, with full Adam insert, etc. got about 75lbs out of a 9/0 as I recall, which is basically same drive train. So, you can make it be as much as you can hang on to- but stock, yes, you should be way above 14 especially if you have switched to carbon fiber. You should make that 30lbs without sweating much. Even with old HT-100's I've locked down and pulled as hard as I can with it.

John
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: RowdyW on January 29, 2020, 04:43:04 PM
Andy, I would first check that the sequence of the washers is in the right order and that the top eared washer is in the slot in the main gear. Are you working with the original 3 stack or a replacement 5 stack. Are the washers new or used. Give us all the information.  14# is way to low even if you are reusing an asbestos 3 stack of brake material.       Rudy
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 29, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
Here is the sequence:

Delrin under main gear
5 stack
Tension Washer
Top Hat
Tension washer
Star

This is a straight stock reel.  All new washers and metals. 
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: Maxed Out on January 29, 2020, 07:58:00 PM
 Sometimes the "eared washer" groove in the main gear stops way short of the bottom, which can greatly reduce drag from the bottom washers. A thicker keyed washer on bottom is a quick fix
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: Long Enuff on January 29, 2020, 11:57:41 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on January 29, 2020, 07:58:00 PM
Sometimes the "eared washer" groove in the main gear stops way short of the bottom, which can greatly reduce drag from the bottom washers. A thicker keyed washer on bottom is a quick fix

I have seen this on numerous occasions.  Good advice there.
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: steelhead_killer on January 30, 2020, 12:55:53 AM
Ted that bumped it up over 30lbs.  Thank you!

Andy
Title: Re: 114H Open Drag Top End Drag
Post by: Maxed Out on January 30, 2020, 04:17:06 AM
 I learned that a few years back from a Penn wizard named Rudy. I'm just the messenger.

30# sounds more like it Andy !! Glad it turned out to be an easy fix

-Ted