What has a 112h stand, posts, spool, drag, and a 500 handle?
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According to Penn a 112H spool only fits a 112H.
Hmmm...
Its not a Lawerance, or Langley.
Looks like a newer long Beach 267
My guess is a modified Seaboy 190. They were decent bottom fishing reels--on the lighter side--but could only be pushed so far due to the graphite sideplates-and-posts configuration.
A 190 Seaboy has a spool with a marking on the end 112. But it does not fit a 112H. The aluminum spool will fit a Longbeach 65.
Could it be a Penn that was not released in the USA that fits the 112H spool size? Whatever it is, it looks pretty cool to me.
Quote from: cbar45 on May 15, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
My guess is a modified Seaboy 190. They were decent bottom fishing reels--on the lighter side--but could only be pushed so far due to the graphite sideplates-and-posts configuration.
You guessed it!
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and this is the spool that came with it stock.
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It had one of the old X shaped stands, but no holes for a clamp. Took the stand off a 210 and had a 500 handle spare.
I was surprised the 112h only had a 4 screw stand. My 3/0 black Senators have 6 screw stands.
That was fun :)
I always forget about that SeaBoy.
If you try that spool in a 112h it will not fit. Been there & tried that. That number is just a mold number not what it fits. And the stand is from a LB 66 on a 112H. The posts are the same though. It was guessed with the wrong information. ::)
Quote from: basto on May 16, 2016, 12:38:54 AM
It had one of the old X shaped stands, but no holes for a clamp. Took the stand off a 210 and had a 500 handle spare.
I was surprised the 112h only had a 4 screw stand. My 3/0 black Senators have 6 screw stands.
Good to know the slighly beefier 30-66 stand is a direct replacement.
It's been a long while since I've fished or worked on any of the Seaboys, but the sideplates and somewhat circular molding for the bridge plate in your photo looked familar..;)
Quote from: RowdyW on May 16, 2016, 12:44:04 AM
If you try that spool in a 112h it will not fit. Been there & tried that. That number is just a mold number not what it fits. And the stand is from a LB 66 on a 112H. The posts are the same though. It was guessed with the wrong information. ::)
Sorry about that Rowdy. My bad. Thanks for the correct info. I`m learning all the time.
Basto
The 112H,65,190 all have the same spool; it is just that the steel shaft in the middle is different on the 112H. That is a "mid speed 112H." With the new SS 66 stand it should be quite a reel. I've seen all sorts of gear ratios on the sides of these, not sure what gears they use but 3.5 would be about perfect for pulling a scampi across the bottom.
Ron
SO if the steel shaft is different it don't fit. That means it doesn't fit a 112H. Like I said it will fit a LB 65 ONLY besides the 190 seaboy 1990 & newer. A 113 spool won't fit a 113H because the shaft is different, so does that mean they are the same?? How about trying to put a 114 spool in a 114H? Same spool but it doesn't fit so I would say they are not the same. And as far as gear ratios every reel that's talked about on this forum has the wrong ratio according to you. Just buy a reel with the ratio you want & you won't have to wish anymore for the perfect reel. Or design your own & build it.
Hi Ron
Yes, very happy with the stand and the gear ratio. I will take it to the reef for a week in October.
I noticed that when I restored 3 of them as give away reels.
Always wondered how much stronger the side plate plastic on say a Jigmaster is than the side plate plastic on this reel.
Anyone have any knowledge on that?
The Jigmaster is stronger because it has inner rings & a stronger stand. The seaboy is a cheap reel usually for the kids.
Quote from: RowdyW on May 17, 2016, 02:11:38 AM
The Jigmaster is stronger because it has inner rings & a stronger stand. The seaboy is a cheap reel usually for the kids.
Thanks for your reply Rowdy, but I really was referring to the strengths of the sideplate materials.
The jig master has to have inner rings or the side plate would not have anything to key those tiny little nipples into.
Penn could have just as easily screwed the plates to the rings & posts. Not a big deal in the manufacturing process. Those "tiny little nipples" are there for a quick change of spools with no tools neccessary. A Jigmaster can withstand a higher drag power then any seaboy even though they use the same drag washers. I still say it's a nice kids reel
Quote from: basto on May 16, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Always wondered how much stronger the side plate plastic on say a Jigmaster is than the side plate plastic on this reel.
Anyone have any knowledge on that?
Well, I've noticed that the reels with side-plate screws placed very close to the edge of the plate are more prone to having the plate crack if over-tightened. The fiberglass plates used for a time on Mag-Power reels are one example that comes to mind.
So too are the bakelite plates used on early 85 Seaboys, 285 Delmars, 209's, etc. I have not seen any of the newer graphite 185/190 Seaboy plates crack at the screw junction; the material used is quite tough when compared to bakelite. It's the aforementioned fiberglass plates which seem to be the worse of the bunch imho, but I do not know if that material was ever used on Seaboys or Jigmasters.
Jigmasters of course have bakelite plates, yet their tail plate screws are located further in from the edge of the plate than those on the Seaboys. Late-model 190 plates however, have more reinforcement than the older 85's, and are almost 9mm thick at the edges where the screws are located.
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Thank you very much
Quote from: cbar45 on May 17, 2016, 05:51:12 AM
Late-model 190 plates however, have more reinforcement than the older 85's, and are almost 9mm thick at the edges where the screws are located.
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If these plates are graphite...I have a hard time believing old bakelite Jiggy plates would be stronger...even with those bling rings you can bend with your fingers. Add to that the #30-66 stand and that #5-185 gear using #6-309 drags...this reel has potential! 8)