Prototype received.
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As you can see, the lasted eared washer sits well inside Newell's 4:1 gear for Penn's 500 and 501
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and with all washers in the stack
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Testing is the next step. I want to see how well the drags hold up. I will be installing the set in a Penn 500 and let the testing begin. Will probably start at 5# and work my way up to 25# of drag. Not that these reels should be fished at that limit, but a solid 15# of drag for these reels would be awesome. I hope the gears hold up.
I'm more than willing to test them in Cabo next month!!
Ron
This looks great Bryan. Can't wait to see how it does. Even if you get 20# out of them it's still a great improvement. Good luck and be safe. Oh yeah being safe is your job, right?
Bob
Looking good, Bryan. Carbontex 0.5mm and Dawn's metal washers as well?
Bryan will be safe, no electricity involved. ;D
Hello Bryan,
How is this different from what you have done in the past with a 5 stack in your PG 251 ?? As I remember your spool had some flex and rubbed on the frame. I did the same 5 stack in my PG 255 and did not have the flex because the narrow spool. I tested my 255 to 22 or 23# of drag(too much for that reel). I later took out the 5 stack and went back to the 3 stack because the drag came on too quick. Don't the JM reels run the risk of damage with too much drag ??? Seem to me 12# of drag is more than enough for any Jigmaster reel, stock or with an after market frame.
John
John. More is better. ;D ;D
Hi John,
The difference is that this set fits into a normal 500/501 gear set. The other one fits in the 505/506 drag stack. 12# of drag is very reasonable for a jigmaster, but with the creation of super lines that we have today, it may be possible to fish these reels with a higher class rating of lines for those who love these old reels and does not want to buy new gear. It provides options. BTW, we can fit a 7+1 in the 505/506 main gear. This will definitely strip those brass gears as I have stripped a set already with my 5+1 drag set in my PG255.
Hi Rob,
These do not use SmoothDrag's metal washers. They were specially cut to fit in the 500/501 gear set to bring the drag range for 500/501 in the same drag range as the 501/506 with a 5+1 stack. Since the metal washers are thinner, I want to be sure that te metal washers do not deform at various drag pressures.
I hope this answers your questions.
Hi Guys/Gals,
Ran my test today. I should have done it earlier in the day. Man it's hot out there. Anyway, as I digress. I ran my test today. I started at 5# to work in the drags. I then ramped it up to 10#, 15#, 18# then 20# at reel (rod held straight as I pulled line off). I clipped the 80# test around the tree and ran with rod in hand.15-20 yards for 5 runs each. I think I should have started at 20# because I got slower and slower. Not sure if it's because I'm so out of shape or because pulling 20# of drag is a lot of work. the reel was a Penn 500 with 4:1 steel gears, SS gear sleeve. After the test, the reel is still smooth and so are the drags. I knew the drags would perform flawlessly, but I was still skeptical, especially with the new, thinner metal washers. My theory was that the force would be distributed through the 2 eared washers equally instead of 1 and likewise with the keyed washers, 3 versus 2. I must say, my hypothesis appears to be right. The drag stack did become hot though as the handle arm was hot to the touch after all of those runs. I'm going to give the go-ahead to start producing the drags. Will have a cost shortly.
Here are the pics of the drags after the test. Oh, I didn't go up to 25# as I had hoped. Frankly, it felt scary running across the field at 20# of drag waiting for the reel to misalign or line to go snap...neither of which happened. I am very impressed with the jigmaster reel, more now than ever. Frame did not warp. Free spool is great. Anyway, here are the pics.
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Bryan
Super freaking cool!!
Will you have a set ready by mid August? I would love to take my Tuna special with these in it to Cabo. Spooled with 60 pound test it will be a great reef reel.
Ron
Bryan, how did the washer under the gear do? Mine are showing signs of shredding at around 25lb. I will be pushing a 6/0 as far as I can and see what happens to that washer.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 15, 2013, 05:25:18 PM
Hi Rob,
These do not use SmoothDrag's metal washers. They were specially cut to fit in the 500/501 gear set to bring the drag range for 500/501 in the same drag range as the 501/506 with a 5+1 stack. Since the metal washers are thinner, I want to be sure that te metal washers do not deform at various drag pressures.
I hope this answers your questions.
Just curious if they were stock Penns or Smoothdrag. I thought I measured Dawn's and they were a little thinner than Penns, plus being ground flat. Custom cut washers? You are serious! :o
Maybe for the next test, you can tie off to the bumper and Noa drive the car. ;D
Good work Bryan, as soon as you get a cost up I NEED a couple sets and also a couple sets for the 505/506. I can't say enough about how much I appreciate everyone's hard work and ingenuity. This site has been a nice distraction and a great hobby.
Bob
BTW will you be including the under main gear washer in the sets? For me that would be a great help.
Good question, Sal... how's the lil' guy under there?
Count me in on 4 sets (to start)... between Alan's New gears and your washer set (and my tiburon topless frames and custom handles and ss yoke and ss gear sleeve) I'm hoping to use my 112h for trolling wire :o
Talk about a test! ...constant tight drag with hard and fast initial runs, accompanied by the need to clamp her down if another Thresher hits... CAN'T WAIT!
Thanks
Dom
The washer set will include 6 drag washers. We are also trying to get a decent price on Bellevilles that will fit perfectly between the top of the stack and the sideplate without rubbing.
Sal, I only went up to 20# and the drag washers did fine. I was afraid to go higher because I was holding te rod with the reel while running with the rod and reel in hand. I was afraid that the little jigmaster would break apart while in my have and that would not be good. If I had a machine where I would watch it behind a shield would be different.
Hi Bryan Great work be careful. If you get these for sale I would take 3 sets for my 501's and 112h doug
That looks/sounds awesome Bry
bring me a set on Friday - ;D
pleeeeeeaaaaaaase ?
I want to see the video of Bryan running through his yard holding a fishing reel with the line tied to a tree. ;D
Quote from: Bucktail on June 18, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
I want to see the video of Bryan running through his yard holding a fishing reel with the line tied to a tree. ;D
Yeah... I was getting stares like this guy is nuts...look he caught a tree...hardy har har.
Quote from: john2244 on June 15, 2013, 03:03:22 PM
Hello Bryan,
How is this different from what you have done in the past with a 5 stack in your PG 251 ?? As I remember your spool had some flex and rubbed on the frame. I did the same 5 stack in my PG 255 and did not have the flex because the narrow spool. I tested my 255 to 22 or 23# of drag(too much for that reel). I later took out the 5 stack and went back to the 3 stack because the drag came on too quick. Don't the JM reels run the risk of damage with too much drag ??? Seem to me 12# of drag is more than enough for any Jigmaster reel, stock or with an after market frame.
John
Hi John,
I forgot to mention, on my PG255, I added a Belleville washer and cut down the spacer between the Belleville and the star and it ramps a lot slower. I'll pull the spacer once I get the 7 remaining reels on my plate done. If I can find another spacer, I'll cut one down for your along with a Belleville for you to try out.
Quote from: Alto Mare on June 16, 2013, 12:17:12 AM
Bryan, how did the washer under the gear do? Mine are showing signs of shredding at around 25lb. I will be pushing a 6/0 as far as I can and see what happens to that washer.
Aaron ran some tests at 25# and saw similar compression that could lead to spreading. For this, Aaron decided to go with a plastic bearing material, like Delrin.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 20, 2013, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Bucktail on June 18, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
I want to see the video of Bryan running through his yard holding a fishing reel with the line tied to a tree. ;D
Yeah... I was getting stares like this guy is nuts...look he caught a tree...hardy har har.
I get the same stares when I tie to my hitch on the Tahoe to test drags and feel a new rod bend. Kind of like feeling a huge grouper on the bottom. The Tahoe does not give an inch.
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 24, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 20, 2013, 08:30:52 PM
Quote from: Bucktail on June 18, 2013, 05:46:08 PM
I want to see the video of Bryan running through his yard holding a fishing reel with the line tied to a tree. ;D
Yeah... I was getting stares like this guy is nuts...look he caught a tree...hardy har har.
I get the same stares when I tie to my hitch on the Tahoe to test drags and feel a new rod bend. Kind of like feeling a huge grouper on the bottom. The Tahoe does not give an inch.
Lol that's how I'm gonna test my stingray setups......tied to the back of the yukon. I hope this works out for you guys, my only use for a jigmaster is kayak fishing.....and 25lbs and the right fish be like a motorboat tow
I really get some funny looks when I'm trying to reel in a boxer in the back yard with my 12/0! :D
Was the boxer Fraiser or Forman? ;D ;D ;D
Daisy is her name. ;)
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 24, 2013, 01:47:00 PM
I really get some funny looks when I'm trying to reel in a boxer in the back yard with my 12/0! :D
Your getting funny looks because a 12/0 is overkill for a boxer. Maybe the tank would be more sporting ;D ;D
Hi Bryan,
I put the 5+1 kit in, and now I have less than 1 lb of drag. This reel is an older reel with bakelite side plates that Alan had worked on a few years ago. It has his SS gear sleeve and I just threw the Pro Challenger SS kit in as well. Alan had previous removed the Bellevile washer. Would this cause the lack of drag or would I need an extra drag disc? Thanks
Bryan's kit is pretty thick, but it is possible that it is thinner than your old drag and that you are not compressing the stack enough. Bellvilles, flat washers or using the thick factory keyed washer on top will get you going (assuming this is the issue.) The other thing you can do is get a longer spacer sleeve.
Ron
Quote from: kmstorm64 on July 06, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Hi Bryan,
I put the 5+1 kit in, and now I have less than 1 lb of drag. This reel is an older reel with bakelite side plates that Alan had worked on a few years ago. It has his SS gear sleeve and I just threw the Pro Challenger SS kit in as well. Alan had previous removed the Bellevile washer. Would this cause the lack of drag or would I need an extra drag disc? Thanks
Put one of these on top, I personally wouldn't ever go without it
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Parts/8-60.aspx)
If you're ordering one, get two. If you're still not getting to max put another tension spring under the star and that reel should be good to go.
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
Quote from: kmstorm64 on July 06, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Hi Bryan,
I put the 5+1 kit in, and now I have less than 1 lb of drag. This reel is an older reel with bakelite side plates that Alan had worked on a few years ago. It has his SS gear sleeve and I just threw the Pro Challenger SS kit in as well. Alan had previous removed the Bellevile washer. Would this cause the lack of drag or would I need an extra drag disc? Thanks
I suspect that the last eared washer is resting on top of the edge of the gear.
With my belleville washer, and if you don't shave some of the height of the spacer, you should get about 2# of drag with the star fully backed off, especially with the 500/501s. You may want to try to disassemble and reassemble again. I suggest using extra drag grease on the washers to make sure that the washers does not slip out of the gear.
Thanks, Bryan, maybe a day or three before I get to it.
Hi Bryan,
Time to get my start-up (again) collection together. I would like to purchase a few of these, but first would like to test in one of my reels.
I have 2 penn 500 narrowed to 99 size with a Newell 5:1 gear, (one with an AT SS bridge) in it. What stack would be best? I also have a 505 and a 501, both standard parts. What do you suggest? How much per respective sets?
Anthony
Hi Anthony,
Sorry, I saw your posting on my phone and I could not relocate it until now.
I would say any of the reels would be fine to try out except your Penn 505 as I have shreaded the 505 gears with about 18# of drag (or at least that is what I think it was set for). The set is $27 per set and the set includes 5 thin metal washers, 5 think carbontex in gear washers, 1 carbontex undergear washer and a belleville washer for the top of the stack.
PM me if you are interested.
Thank you,
Bryan
Bryan, I just installed your 5+ drag in my very lightly used Penn 500. I used Cal's grease and followed your instructions but I'm
not getting a smooth drag pull over 5#. It's not really jerky but it's certainly not a steady pull. Any suggestions to trouble shoot?
How much grease is enough?
I've heard tell of some Penn main gears, where the slots for the eared washers aren't formed deep enough for the first(lower) eared washer to put pressure on the 2 brake washers & 1 keyed washer, below. Also, the upper(2nd) eared washer can easily pop outta place during assembly. It's somethin to check, though if yer gettin 5 lbs. of drag, it don't seem real likely.
What's worked best for me, is to over-grease 'em a little, reassemble, work the drag till it's warm, then disassemble and wipe off the excess.
Thanks. I'll check out the washers and grease and rebuild.
My recommendation would be as GFish has indicated in his previous post. I then work the drag in a little by tying off the drag on a scale then set the drag at 3# and pull, wind, pull, wind,... about 5 times then increase the drag to 5# then repeat then 8# then repeat. This should set the drags and cost the drags with grease thoroughly.
My jigmasters are set for 10-15# of drag depending on the line on my reel. Then pull against the drag for 5 times as above then I'm set. No further adjustments and the reel is ready to fish.