Playing with old reel parts - Penn 155 goof-around.

Started by Wolfram M, March 07, 2023, 10:41:57 PM

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oldmanjoe

#15
I kinder know what you mean ...    But just remember that you can change the design.
  I wouldn`t slot the end of the spool for the drive pin .  I would have drilled through the arbor and shaft than pin it with a hollow roll pin , kill two birds with one stone !
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
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The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Wolfram M

Now that's a good idea, Joe!

Just have to make sure the pin is nice and smooth and not sharp on the ID so it won't cut the line if things go wrong.

sciaenops

#17
Quote from: Wolfram M on March 10, 2023, 02:09:59 AM
Quote from: sciaenops on March 08, 2023, 03:58:54 PMI found some I don't need. Lmk if you could use. Keith

Black plastic "29-200"
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Maroon plastic "unknown"

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Black plastic "29-155" (narrow) has a chip

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So I dropped the little stub of spool shaft I had, and it's gone forever. Can you measure the overall length of the shaft on one of the 29-200 spools?

Actually if you could give me dimensions for the overall shaft length for both the 29-200 and 29-155, and the plastic spool width on the 29-155? I could make both sizes of spool and shaft.

My 29-155 shaft length (2.653") & spool width (1.654"). 29-200 shaft length matches Joe's

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Wolfram M

The scope has crept quite a bit this week...Finals for 3rd quarter of school so I did a lot of sitting and waiting for students to be done writing their exams...Which meant I had 4 hours a day to sit around and draw...

I spent some time trying to figure out what the thread size for the spool bushings was in this reel. I have read on the bearing cups for ball-bearing reels, the size is 1/2"-28TPI, but that Newell and Accurate and Penn all use different sizes, and I can't find the *Bushing* thread size anywhere.

the ID of the bushing thread is 0.245", OD 0.276", and the thread pitch appears to be 0.8mm. The *closest* standard thread is M7x0.8mm, so I am going to roll with that size.

Now I have some CNC programming to do...


JasonGotaProblem

The threads are unlikely to be metric on an old penn. But they are likely to be common to a different penn reel. Just saying. I'm going home late this afternoon after 4 days away. I hope to be able to look at a few to compare for you.
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Mjg378

"As the Lathe Spins". Can't wait to see more. 
Mike

Wolfram M

Picked up an M7x0.8 bolt at the auto parts store-fits in there perfect. Might seem odd but that is apparently what both the old and new bushing thread is for these.

Billet non-handle-sideplate is drawn up and programmed, so I should be able to run the mill maybe wendsday afternoon and make one.

oldmanjoe

 I think it is 9/32 x 32 thread .   I will look for more solid information ..
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

mhc

Hi, Wolfram's measurements and observations align pretty well with Joe's recollection of 9/32 x 32 tpi;
9/32" = 7.144mm, and
32 tpi = 0.794 mm pitch
I reckon the metric 7.0 x 0.8 mm might/will be interchangeable for short holes like a side plate bushing but like Jason said, Penn didn't do metric on their older reels.

Mike
It can't be too difficult - a lot of people do it.

alantani

send me an email at alantani@yahoo.com for questions!

Wolfram M

#25
Quote from: alantani on March 13, 2023, 03:12:08 PMamazing talent!!!!

We'll see. It doesn't fish yet...

In other news I did find a 29L-100 aluminum spool and a 29M-150 chromed brass spool that are only the same cost as a whole 'nuther reel, so I may snag one one of those to get this reel back together.

Still gonna make the drawings and try to machine a fully functional billet copy, I got the tools and all summer to play around with them so why not.

oldmanjoe

 :o   So you got 10-15 minutes to finish up the spool and now you are going to bail out ?  :fish
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Wolfram M

#27
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 13, 2023, 07:18:21 PM:o   So you got 10-15 minutes to finish up the spool and now you are going to bail out ?  :fish

Hell no!

I'm just going to have a much nicer part to measure when I make my billet Beachmaster copy!

I have been finishing the toolpaths for milling aluminum side plates and an aluminum frame, and I'm waiting on some 5/16" stainless rod to show up for the spool axle. I'll finish the spool, then I'll make a whole new frame, sideplates, and probably a few more spools in different widths, that all use the Penn internals.


oldmanjoe

 :d  I am familiar how one thing leads to another !!   Simple projects syndrome  .
Grandpa`s words of wisdom......Joey that thing between your shoulders is not a hat rack.....    use it.....
A mind is like a parachute, it only work`s  when it is open.......
The power of Observation   , It`s all about the Details ..
 Forget about all the reasons why something may not work. You only need to find one good reason why it will.   Alto Mare

Shellbelly

My local Mitutoyo says the bushing tpi is 32.
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