I received the gears today:
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These are the standard, I placed Bryans 5+1 Kit and the last washer sits nice and flush with the gear.
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And here is the one that has been customized by lowering the wall by 1mm.
I didn't test the custom....there is no need, I did test the standard set.
These gears will work very nicely in the 505 Jigmaster
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Stock 505 gears on the left new gears on the right
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I installed Bryans kit, but the last washer is thicker
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Gears did great, nice and smooth. No issue with the clutch, free spool or anything else
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I also tested the 112H, same results
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These are some nice gears, I didn't test them on the 500, simply because I don't believe there is a need to.
Great job Alan, thanks again for making these available to us....you're the man!
Sal
Looks fantastic.
Great job Alan and Sal!!
Can't wait to get my hand on these.
Ron
Those look really nice. Sure looking forward to Alan's next gear project.
nice!!!!!! can't wait till monday...
Sweeeeet Alan. Thank you for helping us.
Ok, I decided to do the Jigmaster 500 as well
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These gears are silky smooth, the only thing I've notice is that using Bryan's 5+1 kit, the small wavy spring washer doesn't take you to max, you will need the Belleville that comes with the kit.
I really need to learn to double dog jigmasters in alternating sequence.
Why? ??? you're better off simultaneously. Alternating is much easier to do, you just pop them in.
We have a great fishing reel here.
Sal, i have never had a problem with a single dog in operation even at higher drag settings. but if I can reduce the back play...that would be great.
I still say you'll be better off with simultaneously, but you're the boss ;)
Guys, this was a functionality test, not a stress test.
Gears work very nicely, but we will need to see if they'll hold up under stress.
You doing the bucket full of bricks test tomorrow?
They look sweet can't wait to get some.
Quote from: Newell Nut on October 11, 2013, 10:10:29 PM
You doing the bucket full of bricks test tomorrow?
Might be better to just fish them for a while and see what happens.
Jamie
Be sure and bring a sea bass rig with you if you come down next week. We have picked up a few cobias on live bait and jigs.
Sal
We have room for you too and bring the reels. I have plenty of rods for you.
I definitely agree with these Black Pearl Gears. I only have the 113H and 114H standard sets, but they are very impressive! ;D
Thanks for the testing, Sal... Can't wait to get mine;)
Which washers will we need for the custom 112h gears?
Thanks
Dom
Washers thickness will determine how many. I believe .70mm carbon and the same for metal should give you 5+1.
I really like my washers on my personal reels laminated.
Sal,
How many hexagon washers do you think can fit in the custom gear? I think 3 will fit in the normal one, does the custom have room for a fourth?
Ron
Ron, again it has to do with washers thickness. BTW, do you know something I don't? Hex gears don't exist for these, the custom are 1mm lower than the standard, but no hex. It sure would be nice to get some hex cut gears though, maybe my buddy will do something about it :-\
Sal,
I know that you tried 3 different inserts and that my Tuna Special currently has one of Lee's inserts. I bet we could talk him into cutting some from thicker material to take advantage of the extra depth in the custom gear.
Ron
Oh, you meant the insert, I would still like them to be one unit from Alan C. Btw, my .70mm laminated washers are holding up nicely.
Keep in mind we got 29lbs. using (3) washers, do we really need more? :-\
I was just about to head over to Dom's home for a splash of ZIN last evening!
and our mail arrived with my Black Pearl custom gear set for my 500!
Felt like I just won the lottery!
Alan, your machine quality is excellent, can't wait to pick Pargo out of the rocks in Cabo, Jan. 2014!
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Please note that a stainless steel yoke will require to be install with this stainless steel gear set.
Smooth Drag has that stainless steel yoke for sale.
Thanks,
--Alan
GREAT ;D
Now I get to take it apart, ONE MORE TIME!!!!
Fish Hard, Pull Harder!!!
Wayne
Quote from: El Pescador on October 14, 2013, 05:13:10 PM
GREAT ;D
Now I get to take it apart, ONE MORE TIME!!!!
Fish Hard, Pull Harder!!!
Wayne
My bad...... :)
Black Pearl, are you planning another run of these gears? If so, when do you anticipate that to be?
Sal
I know that we're getting in the high twenties at max drag, but I am thinking about a Tiburon Bluefin Special for bottom fishing from a kayak and I'd like to get high twenties smoothly so I can turn the ulua around fast, to me that means a fourth drag disk.
Ron
Quote from: BonitaBch on October 14, 2013, 09:07:51 PM
Black Pearl, are you planning another run of these gears? If so, when do you anticipate that to be?
The mass production should be ready by end of Dec.
Great, thanks!
Quote from: noyb72 on October 14, 2013, 10:43:34 PM
Sal
I know that we're getting in the high twenties at max drag, but I am thinking about a Tiburon Bluefin Special for bottom fishing from a kayak and I'd like to get high twenties smoothly so I can turn the ulua around fast, to me that means a fourth drag disk.
Ron
Sorry Ron, I thought I answered you on this one.
The Hex insert will give you 3 washers, those would be the same as having 5+1,. The 3+1 hex washers will give 5 working surfaces.
there is a way you could install 5+1 hex washers, that will give you 9 working surfaces.
Very dangerous to go that way.....I am ;D, just make sure you use the correct line or leader.
It will be hard to find a smoother reel if you go with the 5+1 Hex cut washers.
Lee, when you get some time, I need inserts for the Jigmaster. I know I requested stainless steel, but aluminum seems to be holding up nicely, just make sure you cut them 1/8" taller than the ones you've been making, I will sand them down if needed, but they might be just right.
Sal
So Sal, your thinking of a 5+1 for the"custom" deeper BP gears in hex? If lee could make that happen that would be awesome!
Bob
Keep in mind we might be asking for problems on this reel, It might be great for the Tank though.
Bryan's kit is doing a very good job on the Jigmaster, I'm very happy with it.
That reminds me, I need to order a few more sets from him.
5+1 will be awesome!!
We would realistically only ever use half the available drag at most. Should be really smooth.
Ron
Will there be any 4:1 Stainless gears coming out instead of 5:1 anytime soon?????
Quote from: jigmaster501 on November 25, 2013, 11:00:58 PM
Will there be any 4:1 Stainless gears coming out instead of 5:1 anytime soon?????
It is hard to say. There are not that many people request 4:1. There is bigger market for the 5:1.
I need to be able to sell 150 set before I can make that happens.
Thanks,
--Alan
Alan, about the 5:1 gears....are they still on schedule for mid Dec.??
Lordy,
I know I need them before the trip in June.
Ron
5:1 plus one of Lee's (Keta) custom crank arms and one of Alan's kolkar handles.
Dont' forget Alan's sleeve and Lee's double dogs!
Ron
Quote from: BMITCH on November 26, 2013, 08:35:11 PM
Alan, about the 5:1 gears....are they still on schedule for mid Dec.??
It is still schedule on 12/15.
doc and ron, that's what i have on my not quite mini tank. not DD yet...
Thanks for the update Alan.
Bob
Alto, I do not know if this is a repeated question but, didn you notice a change in the drag range from the lower gears than the higher gears?
BEN
Ok, guys. Here is the latest update on this gear set.
I want to be honest to all you guys about this gear set. As you all know that we did not copy from other gear set. We wanted to make sure this gear set is true 5:1 gear ratio, and my resource was try to accomplish this task by making the pinion OD little smaller than the original PENN Jigmaster 500 pinion gear. By doing so, the teeth became very thin and soft, therefore, it stripped under pressure of 15lbs rolling testing.
Since this problem occurred, my resource and I will have to come up with solution to solve this problem. Therefore, I will have to push back the release date on this gear set. I want to make sure that we have a good product and keep all your guys to be happy.
I am really sorry on the above problem. If you have a set of the first 20 sets of this gear set, I will send out a replacement pinion gear when I come up with the solution.
I hope that no one will be mad at me about it. If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
--Alan
Sounds good to me Alan, I apreciate the quality product. I'm sorry about the production delays, I'm sure you want to bring this to market.
Ron
thanks Alan. Good to work with honest people.
It's tough getting mad at an honest guy ;)... looking forward to seeing your solution.
Thanks for the update
Dom
Hey, it was easy, everyone would do it! I'm good. :)
Penn 505 pinions also fail under the same conditions.
The main gears are fine, we just need stronger pinions.
You did good so far Alan, we should all be grateful, catching these at the right time was also a good move.
The 113h and 114H gear set were put to some crazy tests by me and held up just fine, your guys know what they're doing, I have no doubts they will make this right.
Sal
Quote from: SNAPPERHEAD on December 07, 2013, 03:07:33 PM
Alto, I do not know if this is a repeated question but, didn you notice a change in the drag range from the lower gears than the higher gears?
BEN
Ben, if you're talking about the Jigmaster, the drags on the higher gears have been modified to 1+5, we also have octagonal inserts for those, the stock Jigmasters 500 have 1+3 drags.
This is what I got with my test:
All three gears performance was very similar up to 10lbs, above 10 lbs. the set with Bryan's washers stayed smooth and so did Lee's inserts, actually the inserts felt a little smoother to me, but not by much, the stock Penn 505 was also smooth, but the 4:1 felt rough at around 12lbs. and really rough at 15lbs.
All three high speed pinion gears failed at 15 to 18 lbs., the lower 4:1 pinion survived
My test was done by pulling rolling weight by turning the handle ( wagon and bricks), the reel was loaded with 20lbs. mono, pinions failed before the line did.
Another observation I made was that a counterbalanced handle was easier to use than the others, I tested both.
I'm thinking counterbalanced for the smaller reels and up to the Jigmaster might be a good thing.
Sal
I added the 505 later on, just to confirm that my test was accurate.
I'm using Lee's octagon insert in a 4:1 steel gear 112H wide and it has fished way over 20 pounds with no issues, the slow gears may just be the awnser for high drag numbers. A 5:1 narrow Jigmaster fishing 45 pound braid would still be great at 15 pounds.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on December 08, 2013, 06:39:35 AM
I'm using Lee's octagon insert in a 4:1 steel gear 112H wide and it has fished way over 20 pounds with no issues, the slow gears may just be the awnser for high drag numbers. A 5:1 narrow Jigmaster fishing 45 pound braid would still be great at 15 pounds.
Ron
I'm with you on this Ron.
I have lots of information on these, the problem is that it's spread out and at times it's hard to find :-\.
Maybe I should ask Bryan to keep it all together on one page.
Here is some past information on 4:1 stock pinions and gears:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7564.0
By the way, when testing Alan C. gears, after they failed twice at around 15lbs., I wanted to make sure that my test wasn't too much, so I tested a stock jigmaster. I was only able to go to 15 lbs., but the reel started to get rough at 11/12lbs. and really rough at 15lbs. The pinion did good though.
The bottom line is that the 4:1 could handle 18/20lbs, I've seen it myself, but you need inserts or Bryan's kit to bring you there, a stock 4:1 with 1+3 drag configuration won't be able to.
On another note, I mentioned that one of the tooth came off on the pinion, right by the reinforcing ring, this might not mean much. I inspected many pinion gears and some have that last tooth already missing, there isn't much meat left on some, after they cut the grove for the shaft. Not all are the same there.
Sal
Sal, thanks for all the tests and input. We should all be very grateful to the fact that you do these tests and we are no finding out the hard way...while on the water or worse yet on the fish of a lifetime :P thanks again for all your hard work, you have a true passion for this.
Alan C. All is well. Im sure your source will find a work around. These are very nice gears and the drags were talking about maybe we should all think of a lower gear ratio. I don't think say a 4.8 or 4.5 to 1 ratio would really be noticed. After all isn't the stock Penn 505 just slightly shy of exactly 5:1? Maybe for a reason. Keep us posted and can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
Bob
IMO, there are several factors in this. there's a lot of variation in the quality of the materials. Look at the eBay "stainless steel" gears with their weird plating. Titanium might hold up but is probably not suitable for the salt water environment and machine and material costs would be ridiculous.
There may be a higher quality stainless steel (I defer to our resident experts on this), but again the production and materials costs may be too high.
I agree going to a slightly lower gear ratio makes the most sense. There's no way to make the main gear larger and the small pinion looks like a tough job.
I have to say that however this comes out, I'm glad to be taking part. I looked at the new Penn star drag reels before starting my 112HN, and didn't like any of the options. I'm priced out of the torque, and I don't like the anti reverse on the fathom.
he role of an innovator is often very difficult. Edison didn't invent the lightbulb, he just made the first commercially successful one. As is well known, it took a lot of attempts.
Quote from: BMITCH on December 08, 2013, 12:17:09 PM
Sal, thanks for all the tests and input. We should all be very grateful to the fact that you do these tests and we are no finding out the hard way...while on the water or worse yet on the fish of a lifetime :P thanks again for all your hard work, you have a true passion for this.
Alan C. All is well. Im sure your source will find a work around. These are very nice gears and the drags were talking about maybe we should all think of a lower gear ratio. I don't think say a 4.8 or 4.5 to 1 ratio would really be noticed. After all isn't the stock Penn 505 just slightly shy of exactly 5:1? Maybe for a reason. Keep us posted and can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
Bob
We are all in this together Bob, everything we've been doing here, has been done as a team.
I spoke to Alan before he posted about this and he was already working on it, he has a few good ideas already.
We could speculate all we want, but let's just step back for now and let them do their thing.
Sal
This is why I feel a regular 4:1 gear would be best in Stainless. We will have the benefits of a stronger gear that will last a very long time and not shred. If we have to go to 4.4 : 1 so be it. As long as the gears are strong and reliable.
Hope this works as these gears are needed with the stronger drags.
Titanium would hold up just fine. We expose it to continuous hot sea water for decades with no corrosion issues, but I have seen titanium shear at loads much lighter than high carbon steel. I think stainless is the way to go and their is nothing wrong with 316. Alan and his guys are fantastic and I pray that they come up with a solution but to be honest I'm OK with a 15 pound 5:1 and a 20+# 4:1 on these reels. If you need Jigmaster capacity and high retrieve rate and high drag then a 4:1 mini tank will fit you. If you need a 5:1 mini tank that fishes 80#s, well I don't know why you would have to have that, their are better reels out there, namely Mr. Sal's Opus.
5:1 high drag might be nice in a BFS but really if you are fishing that heavy the 4:1 cranking power is probably the better advantage.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on December 08, 2013, 08:51:07 PM
Titanium would hold up just fine. We expose it to continuous hot sea water for decades with no corrosion issues, but I have seen titanium shear at loads much lighter than high carbon steel. I think stainless is the way to go and their is nothing wrong with 316. Alan and his guys are fantastic and I pray that they come up with a solution but to be honest I'm OK with a 15 pound 5:1 and a 20+# 4:1 on these reels. If you need Jigmaster capacity and high retrieve rate and high drag then a 4:1 mini tank will fit you. If you need a 5:1 mini tank that fishes 80#s, well I don't know why you would have to have that, their are better reels out there, namely Mr. Sal's Opus.
5:1 high drag might be nice in a BFS but really if you are fishing that heavy the 4:1 cranking power is probably the better advantage.
X2, Ron well said!
Ron
Here is the latest updated on the pinion issue.
We have come up with a solution. We will keep the main gear in 316 SS, and we will use heat treated SS for the pinion gear. The heat treated pinion will be much harder than the 316 SS main gear.
We think that that will resolve the pinion gear problem. We should have a test result in 2 weeks, and Sal will also test it on top of out initial testing.
If everything works out the way we think, we will have a very strong pinion gear.
Stay tuned!!!!!
Thanks,
--Alan
Alan, sounds great! Thanks for all the hard work!
This misfortune might eventually help many others out there, not just us here.
From what I've heard in the past, there are lots of Jig-Masters out there.
Nice to hear your guys getting right on it to make it right. The solution they chose sounds good to me, I can't wait to try them.
Most don't have any idea on how much of your work goes into these project to bring them to us, I know about it, because lately I've been talking to you more than I do with my wife ;D.
Thanks for your hard work and the great product you've been making available to us, Alan.
I appreciate it.
Sal
It sounds like a workable solution. I just hope that it's economically viable for you. That's important, too.
Glad you found a solution.Thanks for all your hard work.I still want 4 sets,I CAN'T WAIT!!!!LOL I hope they're ready for Christmas. ;D
Alan,
Do you have a time frame when you will be send out the upgraded pinion?
Thanks
Quote from: maxpowers on January 01, 2014, 05:56:21 AM
Alan,
Do you have a time frame when you will be send out the upgraded pinion?
Thanks
Hi Mike,
The replacement pinion gear needs to be tested first. If it does not pass the test, we will have to go back to the drawing board.
When I receive the pinion gear, I will send it to Sal to test it first. If everything works out the way I hope, then I will send out the replacement to members who have purchased last time.
Please note that the original pinion will do fine for under 15lbs drag. I don't really have the ETA yet. I know they are ready for testing at this stage.
By the way, your rod will send out tomorrow.
Thanks,
--Alan
Here's another option for adding durability to metal parts. This is a link to a comprehensive article on WPC, a metal conditioning process used extensively in the highest level of motorsports. It may be very promising for something like these gears.
http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/17/Special-Treatment-Part-1-All-you-wanted-to-know-about-WPC.aspx
Quote from: mitchota on January 02, 2014, 10:15:13 PM
Happy New Year everyone!
Alan - I'd like to have 1 set of package B. Thanks, and hope you'll be able to approve everything soon and move to production. Best of luck!
Hi Mit,
The jack, bridge and yoke posting is following.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8737.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8737.0)
I will let you know when they are ready.
Thanks,
--Alan
Quote from: Black Pearl on January 01, 2014, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: maxpowers on January 01, 2014, 05:56:21 AM
Alan,
Do you have a time frame when you will be send out the upgraded pinion?
Thanks
Hi Mike,
The replacement pinion gear needs to be tested first. If it does not pass the test, we will have to go back to the drawing board.
When I receive the pinion gear, I will send it to Sal to test it first. If everything works out the way I hope, then I will send out the replacement to members who have purchased last time.
Please note that the original pinion will do fine for under 15lbs drag. I don't really have the ETA yet. I know they are ready for testing at this stage.
By the way, your rod will send out tomorrow.
Thanks,
--Alan
thanks Alan.
Do you know if these gears will work in a Penn Super Peer 309? The Main shares the same part # as the 500/01 & 112 series, but the pinion is a different part #. I'm also wondering about the double dogged SS sideplates.
Thanks
I know the bridge won't fit. I know that Newell advertised that the gears will fit but I don't know of anyone who has tried them. I would think if they did work you would need a 500 yoke to fit the pinion. The $50,000.00 question is will the pinion fit the spool.
Ron
lots of rain here in the NE, so I decided to test the new replacement pinion indoors
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pulling the weight with the rod, I got 26lb.
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By turning the handle, I got it up to 21lb. and couldn't go any higher
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The new bushing/spacer did great, but could have been a little longer. I added a washer
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The brass sleeve is pretty much gone
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and here are a couple of shots of the new hardened pinion
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Yes it did survive.
To me, these gears should be able to handle close to 20lb. of drag.
Sal
20 pounds means I can fish my 112H with 60 which is what I want. Sounds great Sal, you are the man!
Ron
You could probably go more, but I need to be on the safe side for Alan. Any Higher would be up to you.
18-20lbs is still alot of drag. I've caught 500lb+ Blue Marlin with less. Did you try the stadic vs. dynamic effective drag test on this one? Thank you once again for running these tests! Are you planning on testing the other SS parts next?
Thanks for testing these so we don't lose the big one when that time comes.
Thanks to Alan for coming up with a solid solution for us.
When should we be expecting this pinion?
What a crumby day in the entire northeast;( ...but tomorrow's gonna be a real winner.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on January 11, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
Thanks for testing these so we don't lose the big one when that time comes.
Thanks to Alan for coming up with a solid solution for us.
When should we be expecting this pinion?
What a crumby day in the entire northeast;( ...but tomorrow's gonna be a real winner.
Dom
The replacement pinion will be here in a week. When they get here, I will let everybody. who purchased the first batch pinion gears, know.
Sounds good Alan!
Thanks
Dom
Hi guys,
I have the latest updated on this 5:1 gear set. It seems that I have to go back to the drawing board. The new improved pinion gear seems to work fine, but I don't think it will hold up good enough because Sal installed the new set into a Accurate Jigmaster 100% full conversion reel, and the main gear did not do good. Therefore, I have instructed my resource to re-design the whole gear set. I even asked for that Accurate JigMaster from Sal to ship it to my resource for checking.
I am really sorry about this, and I believe that we will make it right next time. If anyone has purchased the first batch 20 gear sets and would like to receive a full refund, please let me know. Otherwise, I will replace them when the new design gear set is finished.
Thanks,
--Alan
Drop the gear ratio to 4.5:1 or even 4:1. The slower gears will have more metal on each tooth and be stronger.
Obviously this is a difficult task. I don't mind waiting for the redesign. I still have a good set of gears that will work for up to 40 lb test. Plus, I'm in line already for the redesigned set.
Quote from: floating doc on January 16, 2014, 04:27:30 AM
Obviously this is a difficult task. I don't mind waiting for the redesign. I still have a good set of gears that will work for up to 40 lb test. Plus, I'm in line already for the redesigned set.
x2
Alan, I like your style...a man makin things right... way to go, keep with it. Lead by example!
Alan, I believe these are worth the wait. 8) Keep us in the loop ;D
Bob
Gotta respect the fact that Alan's not bringing anything but quality to the table... thanks for the quality control (Sal too!)
Dom
Arrgghhh... i guess I should have expected this after reading the latest news here.
But I
just received my Tib frame and BP, BY, and AT's goodies for my 501 and guess in my haste to go fishing, forgot about this thread ???
and yep, shredded the BP pinion just dinking around & pulling line off the reel under drag while checking my spacing sleeve & star clearance. I didn't even get to close bottoming out the star. Main gear still looks ok though.
Quote from: jigmaster501 on January 16, 2014, 01:03:27 AM
Drop the gear ratio to 4.5:1 or even 4:1. The slower gears will have more metal on each tooth and be stronger.
In hindsight, maybe Jigmaster is right... I already have a couple 505's to cover the 5:1(which I hardly use)
and actually would prefer the lower ratio and more beef for my 501.
here's a couple pics of the pinion:
(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q680/fijigreen69/SANY0107_zps6de82186.jpg) (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/fijigreen69/media/SANY0107_zps6de82186.jpg.html)
(http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q680/fijigreen69/SANY0110_zps4c38f39c.jpg) (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/fijigreen69/media/SANY0110_zps4c38f39c.jpg.html)
I trust & believe Alan will figure out a solution... so in the meantime I'll sit tight and see what Alan comes up with.
Quote from: floating doc on January 16, 2014, 04:27:30 AM
Obviously this is a difficult task. I don't mind waiting for the redesign. I still have a good set of gears that will work for up to 40 lb test. Plus, I'm in line already for the redesigned set.
FD, which gears are you referring too? a newell set ?
I do have a set of those e-bay gears for $25... maybe in the meantime I'll see if those will shred too ;D
Keep us posted Alan, I'm hanging in there for ya.
I am sure Alan will sort this out, but I do love my 4:1 steel gears.
Ron
I'm not surprised these gears continue to fail. Penn had serious issues with their 501HS supposedly 5:1 gears (Actually 4.8:1).
These pinions were never going to withstand the increased drag required of them.
They are made from S316 an Austenitic stainless steel which cannot be hardened and tempered.
Due to the restricted gearbox housing in these reels the gears cannot be made larger and hence the problem, re the old adage
"You can't fit a quart into a pint pot".
As previously suggested a set of very strong lower ratio gears in a heat treatable stainless steel would meet the needs of most people.
I had a problem with 501HS gears failing in my 112H and solved it by buying a Trinidad TN16 There was no other alternative ;)
Good Luck.
Tom, yes most of us know about the 505 gears failing, but I've never experienced a problem with the 4:1 pinion.
I hear what you're saying, but I'm sticking with my Penns.
This is just the beginning, they wanted to see if the 5:1 would work and they didn't.
I have no doubts that they will get it right.
Later buddy,
Sal
The 5 to 1 on the mid size Newells and the 400 series work just fine so it just boils down to the material and hardening. The newells are hardened stainless but I do not know the grade.
I forgot to mention that the heat treated pinion is still doing good in my 501 stock plates, I pushed them to around 22lb.and still holding up. The ones that failed were in my Accurate kit.
The pinion showing above by Erik ( erikpowel) is not the same, I have the only heat treated pinions at the moment.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 02, 2014, 07:03:53 PM
I forgot to mention that the heat treated pinion is still doing good in my 501 stock plates, I pushed them to around 22lb.and still holding up. The ones that failed were in my Accurate kit.
The pinion showing above by Erik ( erikpowel) is not the same, I have the only heat treated pinions at the moment.
Sal is correct. The pinion I showed is from BP's first batch..... prior to the heat treated ones...
I was a little late to the dance. :D
You were not late to the dance ;D, only two were made. One went back for inspection and the other is in my 501 and still working.
Hi all,
I would like to give you guys an update on this project. The heat treated SS 416 pinion gear does work well with standard Jigmaster side plate, but when it uses in the Accurate sideplate, it fails because the Accurate side plate has a very low tolerant.
If I were a person who wanted to make a quick money, I would just use the heat treated pinion gear as a solution. However, I am not like that. I want to make sure my product will fit any Jigmaster/112H reel in any configuration, and work flawlessly (Yeah, even though my products are made in Taiwan).
Currently, my resource team is on Chinese New Year holiday til 2/5/2014. We will re check all the measurement between the standard side plate and the Accurate side plate. Don't worry guys because we will get it right.
By the way, there are few people purchased the first batch gear set with the bad pinion gear. I will do the following when the improved pinion is available.
1.) I will replace the gear set if the main gear needs to replace (a new design of the main gear) as well, otherwise, it will be the pinion gear only.
2.) I will include a SS bridge and dogs assembled for free. This applies to members who do not request refund only.
If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know.
Thanks,
--Alan
I haven't used mine, so the main gear should be fine. Sadly, the bridge and dogs won't fit the 112HN that I bought the gears for :'(
However, I have a 500 that I bought for a dollar with a cracked side plate. That plate's been replaced, so...off we go! ;D
customer service 110percent satisfaction and some.Jam up job Alan.o
That's customer service! ... Alan, you do know I'm putting that bridge in my "collector's" jigmaster because of this ;)
I never used my sets so it'll just be pinions for me.
Thanks for taking care of this,
Dom
Just a pinion for me also Alan. Thanks for the update.
Just caught up on this thread - makes for great reading!
Great work Alan et al.
This is what AT is all about - long may it continue!
Cheers, Justin
Alan is a stand up guy! ;D Good Job! 8)
Thanks Alan C. Just a Pinion gear for me.
I think there is a little misunderstanding on the main gear.
I meant the following situations:
1.) if the main and pinion gears need to be redesign, I will send out a new set to those members who have purchased and not requested for any refund.
2.) If the new design does not change the main gear, then I will send out the pinion only (if a member has not used the set yet).
3.) If the gear set has been used and shredded, then I will replace a new set.
I hope this will clear everything to everybody.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
--Alan
Great... thanks for clarifying that, Alan. In other words, you'll keep us posted on what to do when the time comes.
Thanks
Dom
Reading you loud and clear Alan... Thanks for that !
Quote from: broadway on February 03, 2014, 06:57:12 PM
Great... thanks for clarifying that, Alan. In other words, you'll keep us posted on what to do when the time comes.
Thanks
Dom
That makes the most sense.
A new dogs and beefier springs sent to Sal.
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 03, 2014, 11:05:21 PM
Ok guys, I just received the newly designed dogs.
Here is a shot of the first run:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/036_zpsfadf0586.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/036_zpsfadf0586.jpg.html)
and the latest:
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/039_zpsca311773.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/039_zpsca311773.jpg.html)
Those look awesome, the clicking is much sharper now....jus the way I like it.
Here is a shot of the new beefier coiled spring that I requested, on the left
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/037_zpsaba1ca66.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/037_zpsaba1ca66.jpg.html)
Everything went back in and the reel is working nicely.
On another note, before I tore down the reel I pushed it to 26lb, just to see.
Here is a shot of the gears
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/031_zpsd1038afc.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/031_zpsd1038afc.jpg.html)
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/032_zpsfb050606.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/032_zpsfb050606.jpg.html)
I don't know what to tell you guys, these gears still look good to me, but failed in the Accurate kit with less drag :-\.
Bryan's kit also looked good after pushing it to 26lb, the only thing, I'm not crazy about the Belleville on top, for some reason the real is working much better with the spring washer from Penn, but that's not a big deal.
(http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t646/pescatore2/Black%20Pearls%20parts/034_zpsebfa9f93.jpg) (http://s1318.photobucket.com/user/pescatore2/media/Black%20Pearls%20parts/034_zpsebfa9f93.jpg.html)
I hope this is of some interest, Sal
Thanks for the testing, Sal.
I'm glad to see the springs are visibly beefier, the dogs fit much better to the sleeve, and the gears held up at that high drag level.
My only question is why do you think the gears are failing on with the Accurate frame... I know the tolerances tighter, but what do you think is causing the actual failure... are they falling out of alignment for some reason?
Thanks
Dom
I don't have the answer yet Dom, they do have my accurate reel, maybe they'll come up with an answer :-\.
Alan has some guys that specialize in gears and some that specialize in parts. From the looks of that bridge, these guys know what they're doing....we'll see.
Whether or not they figure it out, at least they got an accurate frame ;D
I'm sure they'll figure it out, too.
Thanks Sal,
Dom
Look at what they are trying to do here. A true 5:1 jigmaster/112h gearset capable of twenty-plus pounds of drag. Penn never built anything like this for these reels. That's truly impressive. You know it can't be easy.
Hi all,
Here is an update on this gear set.
We are going to go back to the drawing board one more time. As I stated before, I wanted to make this gear set would work on all different reel configurations. We are working on it.
Thanks,
--Alan C.
Thanks for the update, Alan.
Nothing wrong with a 4:1 gear in stainless. just saying.....
Quote from: jigmaster501 on March 10, 2014, 11:53:10 PM
Nothing wrong with a 4:1 gear in stainless. just saying.....
i think so too. i'll just crank faster when i need to...
Quote from: jigmaster501 on March 10, 2014, 11:53:10 PM
Nothing wrong with a 4:1 gear in stainless. just saying.....
I prefer 4:1
4:1 allow you to use the gear is a 501 for bottom fishing and still have enough pulling power and allows you to use the gear in a wider reel for jigging and have enough speed.
Here is another update on this gear set.
We think that we might have the solution to address the problem. Originally, I had both main and pinion gears made with 316 SS material, but the pinion was stripped when it pull more than 15#. Then, we change the pinion SS material to 416 and heat treated and a modified sleeve spacer (9-60), and it held up to 22# (could be more).
Now, I will have few sets more to do more testing on it by the end of this month.
In summary, this gear set will come with the modified sleeve spacer (12.5mm standard length). This modified sleeve spacer will be required to be installed in the reel. If a reel (Jigmaster 500 or 112H) needs a shorter length sleeve space, it can be sand down to the length as required by the customers.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks,
--Alan
Here is the another update on this 5:1 gear set.
The test result was great for the Jigmaster 500 or Accurate Jigmaster conversion. Sal was testing the newest gear set with the sleeve spacer. The result was the following from Sal.
"The test was done by pulling a rolling weigh on a flat surface, by using a wagon loaded with bricks. This was a serious test, it takes @ 200lbs. to get to 20lb by turning the handle. I used a 112H, a jigmaster and a full accurate conversion jigmaster." I hope that Sal will post some pictures later.
I think there is a different between the 112H and Jigmaster 500. I don't think we will be able to make this gear set to work with the 112H. In few weeks, I will have few more sets of pinion gear to test again. I am very sure it will work for Jigmaster 500 or Accurate Jigmaster conversion. If the 112H is failed again with the next new improved pinion gear, I will have to forget the 112H and move on.
If there are any questions, please post it here, and I will answer them at once.
Thanks,
--Alan C
Here are some shots, as Alan mentioned above
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/006_zps74320502.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/006_zps74320502.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/007_zps8f5f8fd9.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/007_zps8f5f8fd9.jpg.html)
and breaking the reels down to check the gears
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/011_zps5d92b064.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/011_zps5d92b064.jpg.html)
these handled 22lbs
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/025_zpsaca4f112.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/025_zpsaca4f112.jpg.html)
and the 112H
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/034_zps008f4e68.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/034_zps008f4e68.jpg.html)
here is a shot of the damaged gears from the 112H
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/039_zps0cb4eaaf.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/039_zps0cb4eaaf.jpg.html)
the 112H failed at around 16lbs
My take on this is that these jigmaster gears could handle 20lb, but I would use the new spacer and Bryan's kit, that one was smoother. I'm still not sure what's causing these gears to fail in the 112H at 16 lbs, we will need to wait and see what Alan's people come up with, I believe they're already working on them.
Sal
I think the issue is spool diameter. Because of the larger spool diameter of the 112H there is more force required to get the same drag numbers. Unfortunately I don't see a way around this.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on April 28, 2014, 12:22:59 AM
I think the issue is spool diameter. Because of the larger spool diameter of the 112H there is more force required to get the same drag numbers. Unfortunately I don't see a way around this.
Ron
I am wondering if the Global Precision's (on Ebay for $26.00 a set) 5:1 gear set can handle more than 16 lbs.
I could really be OK with less than 20#s of drag on the 112H. I have a Tuna Special loaded with 60# line and I don't know that this reel of any width would fish heavier than that. I just can't wait to see these on the market.
Ron
on a side note, how does the newell 5:1 gear compare to the BP's gears?
considering they are all aluminum spools in the test... I'd have to concur with Ron.... IMHO
It may be the bigger spool diameter that is the wildcard on this one.
That said,
I wonder, would a heavier chrome spooled 112h fail under less pressure than the lighter aluminum spool?
I don't understand the importance of the spacer. Could you please explain?
I'm guessing that Alan's spacer is cut more precisely than the factory part. That could be important in this high stress application. The more pressure on the drag stack the easier it is for cant to effect smoothness and accelerate wear.
Of course, I said I was guessing.
Ron
Quote from: Bryan Young on May 08, 2014, 07:40:37 AM
I don't understand the importance of the spacer. Could you please explain?
Yea, I was having discussions with Alan about the spacer saying that it wouldn't really help,
after my latest test using their spacer, they made me a believer.
I put the Jigmaster under a lot of stress and the gears did good.
My test wasn't about holding weight with the star buttoned down, I'm realizing that doesn't really put stress on the gears. My test was done by pulling a wagon loaded with bricks by turning the handle, I started with 10 bricks and gradually added up to 32 bricks, that's a lot of weight. You could also tie the line to a tree or fence and pull as you tighten the drag, but a rolling weight really puts stress on the gears
Bryan, your washers kit did very good all the way.
You guys are talking about increasing the washers, I would recommend to keep it as you have it.
I tried 11:1 on my larger reels and was disappointed, the reel jumped to 10lbs from start, nothing before then.
By the way, on another test with your washers, the Jigmaster maxed out at 24lbs, that's good enough for me ;).
The latest update on this gear set is following:
1.) An improved (tighter engagement) pinion gear will be here by end of next week. The last SS 416 heat treated pinion gear did very well in the original Jigmaster 500/501 or 100% conversion Accurate Jigmaster 500, and it will require the modified sleeve spacer.
2.) This newly improved (tighter engagement) pinion gear will test mainly for the 112H, but it will also test it with the Jigmaster 500. These tests will be tested by Sal, and he will give his opinion of it. Hopefully, the result will be out in couple of weeks.
Thanks,
--Alan
Sounds like there is still hope for the 112h. That's good.
The latest tighter engagement pinion has been tested, here is a pic of the two pinions side by side, the one on the right is the latest
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/002_zps70950b6e.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/002_zps70950b6e.jpg.html)
even though the pinion on the right is beefier, it failed again in the 112H, the gears didn't really strip, but they did lock up when applying drag
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/003_zps26f1215b.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/003_zps26f1215b.jpg.html)
I got over 22lb by pulling the line, but when I started cranking, the gear locked up
I tested the pinion on the jigmaster as well just to make sure and got the same results
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/008_zps43fc33c1.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/008_zps43fc33c1.jpg.html)
the latest is that these 5:1 gear sets will not work in the 112H.
As you all know the 5:1 set from the previous test did very good in the jigmaster, I decided to push them to the limit and got the scale to 26lb, that's by turning the handle on a rolling weight, the gears slipped once and I stopped.
This test wasn't requested by Alan C., I wanted to do it for myself.
The bottom line is that now we have a nice jigmaster able to handle 20lb, I'm ok with that.
Sal
Questions about the 112h test. Forgive me if I ask something that has already been written.
Were all of the tests done with the same reel? Did it have a one-piece frame?
I have a 112HN (narrow) that I would loan you if you want to repeat the tests.
This 5:1 gear set for Jigmaster 500/501/500S will be ready by early of this July. The main gear is done, and we are working on the heat treated SS pinion gear mass and sleeve spacer in production now.
Stay tuned!!!!!
Thanks,
--Alan
Will these work in the 505?
Quote from: bigcatpat on June 13, 2014, 02:57:25 AM
Will these work in the 505?
If you look at the first posting on this thread, Sal stated that it would work in the 505.
Sal, is that correct?
Thanks,
--Alan C.
Quote from: Black Pearl on June 13, 2014, 06:22:33 PM
Quote from: bigcatpat on June 13, 2014, 02:57:25 AM
Will these work in the 505?
If you look at the first posting on this thread, Sal stated that it would work in the 505.
Sal, is that correct?
Thanks,
--Alan C.
Yes!
Thanks!!!!!
Are we getting any closer to actually getting these gears yet?Just curious. 8)
Quote from: bigcatpat on July 06, 2014, 01:54:04 AM
Are we getting any closer to actually getting these gears yet?Just curious. 8)
This gear set and the 9/0 pinion gear orders will be finished on 7/25. They will take 5 days to get to the US from Taiwan.
Quote from: Black Pearl on July 06, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: bigcatpat on July 06, 2014, 01:54:04 AM
Are we getting any closer to actually getting these gears yet?Just curious. 8)
This gear set and the 9/0 pinion gear orders will be finished on 7/25. They will take 5 days to get to the US from Taiwan.
YAHOOOOOOO!!!! 8)
Some are still asking if the custom 5:1 gears will work in the 505HS and since Alan wanted me to test them in the reel, I never gave the 505HS a rolling weight test, so here it goes.
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/001_zpsd65264bb.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/001_zpsd65264bb.jpg.html)
first off, the new spacer will not fit on this reel, it could, but you would need to enlarge the hole a little
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/002_zps56952bbc.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/002_zps56952bbc.jpg.html)
here is the layout of the drag washers on the new 5:1 gears on the right
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/004_zps6b017ab8.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/004_zps6b017ab8.jpg.html)
The last washer is flush with the top of the gear, you would usually need to have two washers above
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/005_zpscdf2dff1.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/005_zpscdf2dff1.jpg.html)
I'll add one of the stock keyed, along with a carbon fiber washer
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/008_zpsd987eb4d.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/008_zpsd987eb4d.jpg.html)
that looks better
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/019_zpsd6da206b.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/019_zpsd6da206b.jpg.html)
I'll take a minute here to mention that these screwdrivers are awesome. I got them a Lowes for a couple of dollars each. You could apply pressure on the back of the butt and the handle will still spin, handy if you're using one hand.
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/020_zpsddfec7be.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/020_zpsddfec7be.jpg.html)
I'll load the reel up and see what I'll get
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/024_zps529ecb12.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/024_zps529ecb12.jpg.html)
if you crank down on the star and hold the reel and the handle as I'm showing, the spool will rock back and forth about 1/8", just a tad more than the 500, but hardly noticeable
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/026_zpseb4706d6.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/026_zpseb4706d6.jpg.html)
pulling on the line I got it to 20lb and still had a little to go with the star, but didn't want to push it
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/upgrades%20for%20others/028_zps8626edde.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/upgrades%20for%20others/028_zps8626edde.jpg.html)
if it ever stops raining, I'll take it outside and do a rolling weight test.
To me, the only way to test the gears is by retrieving weight while turning the handle.
I will post the results when the weather clears a bit.
I was able to go out and test the 505HS, the reel failed at close to 10lb. by turning the handle while retrieving weight. It fooled me, the reel was working nicely with other tests but under stress it failed. I tested the 112H, the Accurate and the Jigmaster 500, but never did the 505 with rolling weight.
Alan mentioned it to me about a week ago.
The bottom line is that the 5:1 gears will not work on the 505HS and the 112H.
Sal
Thanks Sal. Saved me some bucks. I'm building a 506. Going to stick with standard gears and 3 stack. Still going to be a great 20 lb. test reel and that's what I wanted it for anyway.
Sal / Alan C, Got any ideas why the gears will work in a 500 but not a 505? They seem to be very similar reels.
Tough to say, but from looking at the gears I'm guessing the contact between the pinion and main gear was too lose. The teeth are cut perfectly, but are not engaging fully when under stress.
At around 7 to 8 lbs the reel was working very nicely.
The different bridge on the 505 and 112H might the cause :-\.
I do want to mention that the gear's teeth never stripped and twisted out of shape as I usual see on others, these were damaged at the very edge, more like scraped, telling me that the contact with the two wasn't enough, this was exactly the same with the 112H. The pinion still looks good by the way.
It is easy for us to say to just let them make the main gear a little wider, but unfortunately it doesn't work that way. There are lot's of things to take into consideration, way too steep for me. I do know that they tried to make many adjustments, but it appears nothing has helped.
The good thing about these gears, they are doing very good in the 500.
Sal
Thanks Sal, that makes sense - I have bought a 506 I was going to try the gears in, I might leave it stock and get a 500 and narrow it - 501's seem a bit scarce on auction sites lately.
Arrrrgggg. I missed this thread and just ruined a set of BP gears in a 112h. It wasn't the pinion that failed however it was the gear teeth. It looks like the pinion carved little strips off the main gear teeth then ground them up. Unfortunately it failed with 260 feet of spectra out so I had to keep cranking. Stupid mistake.