Hello all! Just joined here and was recently reintroduced to off shore fishing.
My friend has been a deckhand and fishing for years.
He recommended I get a Newell 322 for local fishing here in SoCal. So I bought one, now I have 3 including a P series. Just recently purchased another no letter 322 that I don't have a rod for. ;D
Anyways, my question is are all 300 series handles interchangeable? The handle on the P series is way too short for my taste.
Also, if any of you have a P series 322 for sale, let me know. I'd be interested.
Yes all of the Newell handles are interchangeable, I'm not sure if the 600 series use the same handle or not, also don't overlook the G series as the are all the same reel except for the clicker & jack handle assembly, the early G series have the stainless jack handle & clickers.
The original P handle was short and the second generation P handle is longer. They run about $50 when you can find one.
Motive fabrication on here makes some very nice titanium handles arms for newells. I have a few they work very well. Has nice drag stars too.
Quote from: Swami805 on June 19, 2017, 09:33:03 PM
Motive fabrication on here makes some very nice titanium handles arms for newells. I have a few they work very well. Has nice drag stars too.
I've tried aftermarket ones, but the factory originals just feel way better!
Quote from: eguinn on June 19, 2017, 04:04:46 PMAlso don't overlook the G series as the are all the same reel except for the clicker & jack handle assembly, the early G series have the stainless jack handle & clickers.
Oh I'm not overlooking the G series at all, I'm just picking them up as they come along.
I have 2 newell 322 reels one with Toms sideplates and a tiburon frame and a new in box reel I recently purchased at a local show . Great reel for stripers and blues here on Long Island .....enjoy them
Quote from: RUSTY OLD COLT on June 20, 2017, 12:28:20 AM
I have 2 newell 322 reels one with Toms sideplates and a tiburon frame and a new in box reel I recently purchased at a local show . Great reel for stripers and blues here on Long Island .....enjoy them
What did you pay for the NIB one?
Also, with that Tiburon frame and side plates, does it make the reel heavier than stock?
Yes they do made the reel a tad heavier, I'm talking about just using the frames, but it's not really noticeable I don't think. I don't really like the idea of using aftermarket side plates, what do they do for the reel besides make them look pretty & heavier. I think the stock side plates work just fine. There is a big plus to using a aftermarket frame in that it really squares up the whole reel frame & side plate assembly. I done it with a few of mine & have seen a big difference in the amount of freespool time, almost double in some cases. Ed
That's what I figured. That's what I love about my set up, it's so light it's like having nothing in my hand. Not like some set ups I've seen out there.
When you use just the tiburon frame you really dont notice a weight difference . The side plates were added because of a cracked side plate and yes the reel is much heavier like a penn 501 in weight but it sure looks good . The new in box 322-5 was purchased for $275 .
I have 5 322's all different models and one with Bryan's side plates. It makes it a bit heavier but it's not noticeable really. It also improves free spool a notch. Is it worth it? That's all in the eye's of the beholder, I like it. For bang for your buck put one of Bryan's drag kits in one, fill it with 65lb braid with a short top shot of 40lb and use it for chucking iron, you won't be disappointed.
Not trying to put anybody down but why so many 322? Just as stated they can make a great surface iron reel and are also good for bait and yoyo iron. If looking to add other things like new handle, frame and side plates by the time you purchase a reel and all that stuff it would be more costly than buying a new reel what will IMO fish just as well if not better than a 322.
I understand people wanting to upgrade a reel they already have and the nostalgia and fishability of Newells (I have two) but for me it really dose not make sense when paying all that money not to look at something new, especially for some one that has 3 or more reels of the same size?
Quote from: SoCalAngler on June 20, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Not trying to put anybody down but why so many 322? Just as stated they can make a great surface iron reel and are also good for bait and yoyo iron. If looking to add other things like new handle, frame and side plates by the time you purchase a reel and all that stuff it would be more costly than buying a new reel what will IMO fish just as well if not better than a 322.
I understand people wanting to upgrade a reel they already have and the nostalgia and fishability of Newells (I have two) but for me it really dose not make sense when paying all that money not to look at something new, especially for some one that has 3 or more reels of the same size?
For me it's simple, I love the compact design (narrow and taller spool), and the fact that they aren't hard to service. It's a bulletproof design IMO. I've used mine to fish bottom and barracuda. Here locally in SoCal, I think the 322 fits perfectly. Still have yet to hook a yellow, but hopefully this season.
I've fished a few newer reels, but I wouldn't give up my 322's for any of them. I am looking into purchasing a 332 maybe.
As far as having a few of the same reels, I guess I'm on my way to collecting them.
By the way, for those of you whom believe that my aftermarket side plate makes the reels heavier, you are correct. In comparison between 300 series side plates with my side plates, empty (meaning only the side alone), the sideplates are 2.5 oz heavier. But when I took a S338 and replaced my side plates with the stock ones, the reel complete was 0.30 oz heavier. Please read http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17264.0. I will be producing these again once the development of other reel sizes have been completed.
The reel spins better as the frame holds truer with the side plates in comparison to the SS rings and side plates. Is it worth the investment? If you love fishing your Newells as I do, especially if you have one with a broken side plate, I think it's a great investment.
that's great to hear Bryan, others, and myself were hoping you would again make the sideplate kits available to complement an already great reel.
Quote from: SoCalAngler on June 20, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Not trying to put anybody down but why so many 322? Just as stated they can make a great surface iron reel and are also good for bait and yoyo iron. If looking to add other things like new handle, frame and side plates by the time you purchase a reel and all that stuff it would be more costly than buying a new reel what will IMO fish just as well if not better than a 322.
I understand people wanting to upgrade a reel they already have and the nostalgia and fishability of Newells (I have two) but for me it really dose not make sense when paying all that money not to look at something new, especially for some one that has 3 or more reels of the same size?
Same here. I have two 200 series that I'm going to use sometime, but no where near some of my nicer stuff. (Think Cortez Squidder). Or a PG251, Or just a 501/506 w/Accurate frame, Bry's drags, Alan's SS sleeve. Still cheaper than a 322 + upgrades.
But carry on, I totally understand liking one particular model. I have (3) of lots of different reels/brands.
Quote from: r8rs4lf on June 21, 2017, 11:31:29 AM
Quote from: SoCalAngler on June 20, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Not trying to put anybody down but why so many 322? Just as stated they can make a great surface iron reel and are also good for bait and yoyo iron. If looking to add other things like new handle, frame and side plates by the time you purchase a reel and all that stuff it would be more costly than buying a new reel what will IMO fish just as well if not better than a 322.
I understand people wanting to upgrade a reel they already have and the nostalgia and fishability of Newells (I have two) but for me it really dose not make sense when paying all that money not to look at something new, especially for some one that has 3 or more reels of the same size?
For me it's simple, I love the compact design (narrow and taller spool), and the fact that they aren't hard to service. It's a bulletproof design IMO. I've used mine to fish bottom and barracuda. Here locally in SoCal, I think the 322 fits perfectly. Still have yet to hook a yellow, but hopefully this season.
I've fished a few newer reels, but I wouldn't give up my 322's for any of them. I am looking into purchasing a 332 maybe.
As far as having a few of the same reels, I guess I'm on my way to collecting them.
I can understand collecting if that's your thing. I just didn't want someone new to the saltwater scene to invest so much money into many reels that all cover the same line test and applications.
Since you seem to like Newell's a reel like a 220 or a 229 is what I would use for the three B's (bass, bonito and barracuda) here in Cal. As a matter of fact I do use a G220F for those fish and for line shy smaller grade tuna. The 200's have the same internals and drags as the 300's just in a smaller package.
But, if you really want another reel in the 322 size you may want to check out a Penn Fathom 25N star drag. I have one of those also and have fished it for like 3-4 years now and really like it. The features like a metal frame and side plates, nice drag numbers, outstanding freespool, serviced well strait out of the box, easy to maintain and work on are just some of the things I like about this reel.
I say get what you want but don't limit your options by not looking at other reels.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 21, 2017, 01:18:39 PM
By the way, for those of you whom believe that my aftermarket side plate makes the reels heavier, you are correct. In comparison between 300 series side plates with my side plates, empty (meaning only the side alone), the sideplates are 2.5 oz heavier. But when I took a S338 and replaced my side plates with the stock ones, the reel complete was 0.30 oz heavier. Please read http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=17264.0. I will be producing these again once the development of other reel sizes have been completed.
The reel spins better as the frame holds truer with the side plates in comparison to the SS rings and side plates. Is it worth the investment? If you love fishing your Newells as I do, especially if you have one with a broken side plate, I think it's a great investment.
I'll be in for a couple sets when the time comes. Will you be posting in that thread or will you be making a new one?
I'll be posting a new thread.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 25, 2017, 07:39:09 PM
I'll be posting a new thread.
10-4, I'll be on the lookout!
Can anyone tell me what the F at the end designates? For example, I just picked up another P series 322 with the F at the end. I remember seeing a very helpful page where it talked about all that, but can't find it anymore. I should have screenshot it. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction to where it's at.
Also, is there any way to tell the gear ratio by looking at it? Maybe the F designates the ratio? Trying to be a sponge for all this information.
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
The 338J model had a top bar to make it stiffer.
These are all about the same capacity. Some are tall/narrow like the 322 and some are shorter/wider like the 235.
Penn 501/506/535, Newell 235/322, PG 280/500/501/600, TOR/TRN16, 15/30, TYR12, Daiwa SA30/30T,STT30/30T, Boss 270, Avet MXJ, Tiburon SST7524 are all about the same size (capacity). This list is pretty old and doesn't include newer reels like a Fathom 25n, newer Accurates, etc.
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 26, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
Thanks a bunch!
Bryan, please sign me up! I would like to purchase your conversion to upgrade my newells!
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 26, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
The M is the 4:1.
The J just has a bar on top.
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 28, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 26, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
The M is the 4:1.
The J just has a bar on top.
Bar on top???
Was the 322 made with 4.1?
A tubular bar between the plates at the top.
Quote from: r8rs4lf on June 28, 2017, 05:07:11 AM
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 28, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 26, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
The M is the 4:1.
The J just has a bar on top.
Bar on top???
Was the 322 made with 4.1?
Yes there was a 322M made with 4.1 and I have a gear set from one.
I always wondered what the M meant, Thanks. Did they make a 4-1 gear on other series that didn't use a 4 stack bridge? I think I've only seen the M on blackies and P series.
From what I have seen over the years the M ended with the early G series with P parts. After that we had the 3.6 and 5 speed. I had a NIB P344 M and sold it to a HI buddy with a 5 speed gear swap.
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 28, 2017, 09:57:44 AM
Quote from: r8rs4lf on June 28, 2017, 05:07:11 AM
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 28, 2017, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: Bryan Young on June 26, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
F normally designates Fast or 5:1 gear ratio if my memory serves me correctly.
I think J is for jigging and designates 4:1 gear ratio.
The M is the 4:1.
The J just has a bar on top.
Bar on top???
Was the 322 made with 4.1?
Yes there was a 322M made with 4.1 and I have a gear set from one.
So why was the 4.1 gear set made? In what scenario would this gear set be used for?
I'm honored to have you respond to my thread. I've read you are the Newell god!
Why 4:1? How about Newells were basically hot-rodded Jigmasters and Jigmasters had 4:1 gears?
When Jerry Downie gets back he is the best source since he worked at Newell. Newell started by modifying Penn reels and eventually designed their own reels.
Quote from: Newell Nut on June 28, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
When Jerry Downie gets back he is the best source since he worked at Newell. Newell started by modifying Penn reels and eventually designed their own reels.
And deep down, they're still Penns ;D
Did the P series 322's come with two different length handles? A short and long?
The early Ps had a shorter handle and the second generation had a longer handle.