I was recently thinking about the problems associated with fishing during sub freezing temperatures. When the air is cold and the water is still warm it's not a big deal. But when you're out in 25 degree weather and the water is 34 degrees it becomes an issue very quickly. I was recently researching frozen line guides, and frozen reels, and looking for the best ways to keep them functioning when the mercury drops. I've seen the usual comments about spraying the line and guides with wd-40 but I think it evaporates or dissipates in a short time, and I wouldn't want to spray it in aerosol form directly on the spool of my spinning reel for fear of it entering the reel body and dissolving grease, varnishing, etc. Another suggestion and many people say this is the best, is to spray PAM non-stick cooking spray(canola oil) directly on rod guides before fishing, then wipe off the excess. Last but not least, and one I am very interested in, is spraying your rod guides and reel down with anti-freeze. This also has good promise, but am curious what this would do to a reel. Now, since some of you might already be scratching your head, let me point out I'm talking about RV anti-freeze, the kind that is used in water pipes in RVs, homes, boats, and also food processing equipment. It is safe to ingest and often labeled "non-toxic", although I'm not going to go out and gulp any down. The chemical is Propylene glycol and it is a synthetically produced organic compound. If you have any input on any of this please comment. I'm going to do some more research and see what I come up with. Thank you.
I don't know anything about cold, but propylene glycol is soluble in water so it seems like the water wiped off the line as it passes through the guides would just wash it off. Coating with something oil based or wax based would allow any ice crystals to fall away.
-steve
I agree with Steve, the propylene glycol would wash away. If you coat the guides with something hydrophobic (water-hating), like silicone spray (maybe my first experiment), the ice will build more slowly, but it may still eventually build up. All you need is a frozen water droplet to stick to the guide and then more water will stick to that droplet and the whole thing will grow.
Sid
what about the "nano" repellents?
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=water+repellent+nano+coating
I am sure our resident toxicologist, aka The Boss ,will pop in here but Propylene Glycol is far from non toxic.
Here is a quote from the MSDS.
Potential Acute Health Effects: Hazardous in case of ingestion. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, permeator), of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation.
Potential Chronic Health Effects: Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (sensitizer). CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Not available. The substance may be toxic to central nervous system (CNS). Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
Toxic to humans and animals....Although there is conflicting data on how toxic , I still avoid products that list it as an ingredient.
https://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927239
Best ,
Jonathan
Canola oil makes good cutting oil and cuts salmon egg goo but it dries into a very hard to remove "varnish" I would not recommend using it.
Quote from: sdlehr on January 18, 2017, 12:04:41 PM
I agree with Steve, the propylene glycol would wash away. If you coat the guides with something hydrophobic (water-hating), like silicone spray (maybe my first experiment), the ice will build more slowly, but it may still eventually build up. All you need is a frozen water droplet to stick to the guide and then more water will stick to that droplet and the whole thing will grow.
Sid
I've used silicone spray and it does work. I don't know about any effect it may have on fishing line, though.
Tom
The easy answer is don't go fishing when the temperature is below freezing. ::) Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on January 18, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
The easy answer is don't go fishing when the temperature is below freezing. ::) Dominick
Not always an option, I need to drive south though.
Use of cold weather specific fishing lines, and reel grease helps here.
Never tried coating tye line guides with anything, but a teflon type waterproofing type product may help?
I prefer fishing in tropical regions, but some of my "crazy" friends travel during winter time to Norway.... and i prepare their reels.
The troubles you describe are well known. Reels not properly greased/oiled fail. Oil and grease sticks.
would like to recommend:
1) for the rod guides use the same stuff used for de-icing car windows. No special expensive stuff required. Will not harm to mono or braid.
2) I got a sample (unknown product name) low temperature oil from a local manufacturer which is good up to minus 40 degrees celsius. Check out what the military use in their automatic rifles in cold regions or google for low temperature oil.
After several tests with different greases in a freezer can recommend MOLYKOTE 33 Extreme Low Temperature Grease. Stays soft up to minus 73 degrees celsius. Since mostly unknown with which grease the original bearings are filled, recommend to buy a complete set of not shielded bearings and fill with the same grease.
After the season store them for the season and replace the original bearings.
Finally put the reel for two hours in a freezer, but everything should be fine if well done.
Good Luck
Wolli
Jonathan, shampoo often has propylene glycol.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on January 18, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Jonathan, shampoo often has propylene glycol.
-steve
Hmmm ??? :-\ :'(
Quote from: oc1 on January 18, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Jonathan, shampoo often has propylene glycol.
-steve
Gotta start rincing better
Quote from: oc1 on January 18, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Jonathan, shampoo often has propylene glycol.
-steve
not my shampoo....
Even tooth paste amd makeup often have as an ingredient, just not the stuff Miss Mari and I use 😇
If my reel and guides are freezing up, I'm packing up and running to a warmer spot!
Up north we fished out of little cabins over the water, with wood stoves and hot coffee, or some other hot adult beverage like a thermos filled with hot buttered rum! When you run out you run home.
We get fobbed off all kinds of crud in our food chain and pharma junk you would not poisen a dog with.
Quote from: oc1 on January 18, 2017, 08:02:27 PM
Jonathan, shampoo often has propylene glycol.
-steve
I think some ice creams contain propylene glycol....
Sid
Sid, you're going to make us all fall in line with Jonathan.
-steve
I've appreciated reading everyone's take on what to do and also on propylene glycol. After doing some more research and talking to several people, I plan on making a spinning rod with single foot fly rod guides as these have a larger diameter(to make complete freeze-over difficult). Many custom ice-fishing rods have these guides for the same reason. A friend said he began experimenting with these larger metal one-piece guides 3 years ago and has seen excellent results in very cold temps. As far as lines go in below 32 degrees, true woven braids and fluorocarbon perform poorly. Mono has long been king here, but I've also found that berkley nanofil performs excellently in cold conditions. It is gel-spun PE formed into a single filament, and almost looks like dental floss. I will try silicone spray as I have some handy the next time I get out. Will spraying this directly on the spool harm the reel at all? Another big problem area is right where the line makes a 90 degree turn around the line roller. I will probably give this a blast as well. I know in the case of mono it is absorbent, but not sure if the PE lines will absorb silicone or it will fall right off after one cast. On the prop. glycol do you think this would harm line or the line roller? Even though it may be washed away in the water quickly, it could be handy for temporarily freeing up frozen guides/line roller. I use the stuff on my trolling motor mount when it gets covered in ice and it works great for that. I know there's a lot of questions, but I thank you all for your thoughts.
Quote from: lifeofRiley on January 19, 2017, 07:39:31 AM
...Another big problem area is right where the line makes a 90 degree turn around the line roller.
keep an eye out for an early 90's Stradic/Symetre FA -- seems like a good design that's much less likely to freeze up:
1) it had a large, ceramic line roller (solid SiC?) -- I love 'em & hoard 'em
2) in the original Super Stopper A/R the dog went "out" to hit a dozen or more stop points around the circumference of the rotor (barely noticeable handle back-play), instead of the dog going "in" to hit a 6-tooth ratchet (pronounced handle back-play)... nowhere near the number of tiny parts in a roller bearing & you can keep it swimming in thin, low-temp grease