Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Accurate Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: JasonGotaProblem on May 02, 2023, 04:45:34 PM

Title: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on May 02, 2023, 04:45:34 PM
I can't get the dang handle side e-clip back in place no matter what i try. It should have told me to prepare for a war with how hard it was to remove. Is there some trick I'm missing? I spent 2 hours on just fighting with the clip last night, it's time to ask for help.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: bluefish69 on May 03, 2023, 12:18:04 AM
I use Jewelers screw drivers. I had this problem 2 weeks ago. Someone put a too small clip in a Newell 220 & I had to fight with it toget it out. I put the proper size 1 back in. I returned the reel today.

Mike
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on May 03, 2023, 01:52:10 AM
Wrong clip size was the first thing i considered. So I bought 2 new clips from accurate. Turns out that is the right one. I was kinda hoping that was the easy solution.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: redsetta on May 03, 2023, 11:24:35 PM
Hi Jason,
I assume you're referring to the spool shaft retainer?
If so, remove the frame and give the spool shaft a little push from the other side.
It'll pop up above the edge of the tension cam and you can then just push the e-clip on easy as...
Same goes for removing it.
All the best, Justin
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on May 04, 2023, 01:01:19 AM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on May 02, 2023, 04:45:34 PMI can't get the dang handle side e-clip back in place no matter what i try. It should have told me to prepare for a war with how hard it was to remove. Is there some trick I'm missing? I spent 2 hours on just fighting with the clip last night, it's time to ask for help.

a picture is worth a thousand words

amigo, why dont you post a picture of the E-clip and where is supposed to be located ?

if the the one that Justin is referring, well thats the solution, you have to push the shaft on the other side of the spool to lift the tip or the other end of the shaft where it meets the CAM

I have found that on some accurate reels is easier than other accurate models, so you might have one of those difficult ones.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on May 04, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Party foul on my part not posting a pic.
I took the clip off the far side, no difference. Kept pushing, no indication that pushing harder would do anything. But i figured what the heck it's a really thick spool shaft i can at least try. After putting more force on it than I'm comfortable with, something moved, and now it'll stick up high enough, and i got the clip on. So the shaft was getting hung up on something. This bugs me. So now I'm gonna have to take it apart again and see what is happening inside the spool/drag assembly.

Oh and one of the holes for the remarkably tiny body screws is stripped. And with how shallow that super tiny screw was I'm both unsurprised that it stripped, and surprised that screw ever held anything. So I'm gonna need to tap that for a larger screw or something. My inner brute wants to just grab a self tapping screw and call it a day. But there's a reason i don't listen to him very often.

This reel was included in all the cool stuff I got from Keith. It was in a bin partially disassembled, short one body screw. I thought it was because the screw was missing. Turns out it's a bigger issue.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on May 04, 2023, 04:59:17 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on May 04, 2023, 01:44:00 PMOh and one of the holes for the remarkably tiny body screws is stripped. And with how shallow that super tiny screw was I'm both unsurprised that it stripped, and surprised that screw ever held anything.

lol, my first impressions as well the 1st time I had to open an Accurate reel, same applies to the tiny screws on the shimano Talica reels

Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: redsetta on May 04, 2023, 09:07:00 PM
Nice one.
There'll be a small burr or distortion somewhere on the spool shaft.
Run a flat jewelers file lightly around any steps on the spool shaft and it should sort it.
Rather than jumping straight to tapping a larger thread, perhaps try inserting a sliver of copper sheet into the hole.
I usually cut a tiny strip the width and length of the thread, then press it against the screw thread to shape it a little.
Then put it in the hole and start the screw carefully to catch the edge of the thread rather than pushing it down into the hole.
The copper will deform to match the thread.
Retapping a thread that small is extremely delicate work and requires an incredibly steady and experienced hand...
Let us know how you get on.
Good luck, Justin
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: alantani on May 04, 2023, 10:06:07 PM
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/e-clip-tools/
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on June 01, 2023, 01:39:40 AM
so, Jason, did you ever finished to repair this nice reel?
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on June 01, 2023, 02:36:24 AM
I got the clip back in, only to discover that one of the frame screw holes is stripped. I'm probably gonna try my luck with a strip of copper or something. Kinda frustrating really.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: alantani on June 15, 2023, 04:26:20 PM
any luck?
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on June 15, 2023, 04:44:42 PM
I haven't attempted to address the stripped screw hole, other shiny objects have since caught my attention. I do intend to circle back to this soon. I might finally get to use some of these properly in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on June 15, 2023, 06:43:05 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on June 15, 2023, 04:44:42 PM.. I might finally get to use some of these properly in a few weeks.

careful, it could become an addiction to go offshore.

I was a happy surfisherman for years until I was invited to go fish on a boat (panga) and now rarely touch my surf fishing gear  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on June 15, 2023, 06:54:25 PM
Well i just found out half day party boats targeting grouper etc start around $150 locally. I can swing that occasionally. Previously i was only looking at charters, and not having many fishing friends locally it was looking waaaaayyyy out of reach. This is seeming more practical. And it's red snapper season here til end of July. I'm gonna go for it.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on June 15, 2023, 07:07:02 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on June 15, 2023, 06:54:25 PMWell i just found out half day party boats targeting grouper etc start around $150 locally.

sounds pretty doable a that price, I say go for it and you have the gear for that

on "members fishing reports" section, look for "newell nut" reports, he was one of the fist rod builders from the forum to help me with tips and some accesories and components and also he used to fish pretty often on a partyboat on florida for snappers, mangos, etc you could check the kind of gear he normally used and get a hint or two, etc

Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on July 29, 2023, 12:39:35 AM
I think this one's gonna live again! I found and ordered a NOS frame on the bay so no need to ghetto rig the stripped screw hole. Game on!

Also the a jigmaster handle fits on the 270. In case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on July 29, 2023, 12:50:23 AM
nice, show us the reel once its ready to roll
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 03, 2023, 05:26:25 PM
Reel body arrived today. I didn't realize there were 2 different versions, the one I just bought comes with a cast control knob. The one I'm replacing does not. Now i gotta track down a knob and the other lil bits that come with it. I thought this guy was almost ready. 
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: Gfish on August 03, 2023, 06:11:39 PM
Man, more complexity for you. Painful but good learning experience.
I like my Accurate. Great tolerances on these. Mine's a twin-drag and I still can't figure out how both drag washers(on either side of the spool)press evenly on both sides by just moving the spool one direction with the cam?
The tiny side-plate screws and their placement are a mystery to me too. Both a 6 & 7 torx have worked on mine. 3 on one side and 1 way over on the other side?
I mangled my E-clip once before I broke-down and watched the disassembly video on the Accurate website. They show what Justin was talkin bout, as well as a few other tricks and most important for me, the sequence.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 03, 2023, 06:32:55 PM
Local parts shop has everything to fill in the gaps, minus the B-3364 which is likely the most important component.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 04, 2023, 09:36:55 PM
Accurate already sent me a tracking # for the part listed above. I'm impressed.

The reel foot seems utterly fused to the old body being retired. I now have a twisted torx bit. Some of what ive seen elsewhere in the reel suggests to me this ol girl has seen more saltwater than rinse water. This ones gonna be fun. I'm gonna leave it soaking in PB blaster for the weekend. Since I'm not trying to reuse the aluminum body, i have a lot of options at my disposal to remove it. I'm gonna start with heat. (After the PB).

The foot likes like it's steel. Though i could be mistaken
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: steelfish on August 05, 2023, 02:19:32 AM
LOl this reels is giving you really Hard time
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum E-clip
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 07, 2023, 02:47:03 AM
I think its because it'll catch me a ton of fish. But I gotta earn it first.

A good PB soak and a blast from the heat gun and it's free and i can reuse the screws.

In fact it's already attached to the new frame. With loctite. Like it was on the old one. This time blue, not red.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 08, 2023, 03:32:17 PM
Reel is fully assembled aside from the cast knob assembly which relies on a part that is en route from accurate.

This thing is a beast. 45 second free spool, and a remarkably stout yet smooth drag.

I had this figured as a bottom/vertical fishing setup, but maybe it's a surf caster too. I just gotta pull the old line and respool it. I'm thinking probably 50# braid?

And it looks really sweet with Ted's 2/0 size handle. I may go to a lighter ball-style knob in the future, but for now I'm really loving the Tani knob.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: Hardy Boy on August 08, 2023, 04:56:18 PM
Looking good !!!


Cheers:

Todd
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: ExcessiveAngler on August 08, 2023, 05:40:47 PM
Darn that sucker, looks really compact, or you got big hands my friend lol!
Nice looking little reel there, Jason!
Glad you could get her/him? back together!
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: steelfish on August 08, 2023, 06:08:33 PM
nice little tank

it looks as small as my Boss Xtreme 400N  (I have small hands)

I wish mine had the cast control knob
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 14, 2023, 06:56:44 PM
It lives! A part of me is thinking about stopping by the lake and seeing how it casts.

275yds of 50# x8 multicolor daiwa J-braid no backing.

I need to figure out where that o-ring is supposed to go. There's a lot of play in the cast control cover. Doesn't appear to affect operation, it's just a cover. 

And yes my hands are absurdly large. When I briefly did MMA I had to special order my gloves. The largest sizes weren't big enough. I could palm a basketball by age 10.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: ExcessiveAngler on August 14, 2023, 07:07:13 PM
Looking good brother!
Awesome that you took something, that may have never been able to be used again, and got it right up and going, with some effort!
Good for you brother, you sounded like you were quite determined to get it done lol!
Now you can sell off the blue 146, that you just built! Speaking of, I gotta ask, did you just buy that last blue 146 CC frame?
Actually went to buy it and was gone!
Then you posted yours up, and I said that's it, I'm taking the plunge lol!
Except there was nothing to plunge into lol!
Out of stock!!!

Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: JasonGotaProblem on August 14, 2023, 07:14:10 PM
That blue fella you saw is a 99 jigmaster. I don't own any squidder reels... Yet.

And that 99 is one of the reels that came from Keith that I'll never even consider selling. In fact I'm considering getting it engraved in his memory. But i digress.
Title: Re: Boss 270 Magnum a resurrection story
Post by: day0ne on August 14, 2023, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on August 14, 2023, 06:56:44 PMI need to figure out where that o-ring is supposed to go. There's a lot of play in the cast control cover. Doesn't appear to affect operation, it's just a cover. 


The o-ring goes in the groove on the cast control knob just below the knurled part. BTW, it's not just a cover, it's the adjustment knob.

https://www.accuratefishing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/BOSS_IPB.pdf