Has anybody seen the crazy prices for parts in a Penn Baja 113hn or U.S. Senator? 1 metal drag washer $7.90, 1 eccentric $13.30, 1 eccentric lever $30.25 when a custom aftermarket one is only $20.00. These reels may be assembled in the U.S. but most of the parts come from China. At those prices they must be gold plated. I guess they are trying to price themselves out of the parts market & just sell reels. Might as well buy Chinese knock offs & throw them away when they break down & buy another new one. It will probably be cheaper that way in the long run than to buy "Made In America" Penn (Pure Fishing) products. I talked on the phone with Penn and they said they don't have any metal drag washers for the U.S. Senators in stock. I guess they won't be building any of those reels for a while. They said the washers won't be here until next year. Rudy
I heard Pure Fishing sold to someone that was only y interested in Rubber Made and then possibly the fishing part was sold. Unfortunately it looks like we will be loosing some good "brand names" to corporate BS. It will hurt me to see Penn go away.
lower quality AND higher prices... PURE EVIL
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=33186.0
All pure fishing stuff has gone up power bait nightcrawlers was $4.50 three years later...now $8.50= >:(
Here is an article by Mike Brands of
https://allamericanreviews.com/pure-fishing-tackle/
copied by his permission
That tells the current owners/buyers/sellers/Makers/Origins of Manufacture of Fishing stuff today.
Thanks Mike !
Are Pure Fishing Tackle Brands Made in the USA?
By Mike / Brands / February 13, 2021
Pure Fishing is a huge multi-brand conglomerate of several popular fishing tackle brands like Berkley, Fenwick, Pflueger, Penn, Shakespeare, Ugly Stik, Stren, and several others (full list below). They have roots all the way back to 1874 and are now headquartered in Columbia, South Carolina. They've grown organically with their own brands and through acquisition over their long history, most recently buying Van Staal and Fin-Nor in 2020. Pure Fishing has also been through their fair share of acquisitions over the years. They were owned by a company called Jarden that sold to Newell Brands in in 2015 and then Newell Brands subsequently sold Pure Fishing in 2018 to their current owner, Sycamore Partners (a private equity group). So, with all those brands and all those acquisitions, are Pure Fishing brands made in the USA? We break it all down for each of their tackle brands below.
Verdict: Which Pure Fishing Tackle Brands Are Made in the USA?
Only some Pure Fishing tackle brands are made in the USA. This isn't a huge surprise since they have such a wide variety of tackle brands and all of them are not U.S.-based.
Below is a breakdown for each of their major product lines.
Abu Garcia: Originally named AB Urfabriken, Abu Garcia is a Swedish brand, many of their reels and other tackle are still made in Sweden.
Berkley: This company originated in Iowa in 1937. Some of their fishing lines are made in the USA (only a few of the Trilene brand). Tough to find Powerbait and other tackle made domestically.
Chub: This company is based in the UK and focuses on Carp fishing products.
Fenwick: Very popular fishing rods, unfortunately most are made in Taiwan.
Fin-Nor: A popular fishing reels brand recently acquired by Pure Fishing. However, not many of their reels are made here.
Greys: This company is based in the UK and makes a lot of fly fishing gear.
Hardy: Also an English company that focuses on fly fishing tackle.
Hodgman: Makes popular waders, unfortunately they are not made in the USA (confirmed with the Hodgman team).
JRC: Carp fishing tackle and accessories, based in the United Kingdom.
Mitchell: Famous for their spinning reels, based in Marignier, France.
Penn: Only a few reels made in the USA, most are made overseas. Full article on Penn reels here.
Pflueger: Fly fishing and spinning tackle, most is not made in the USA.
Sebile: French owned fishing tackle company.
Shakespeare: Founded in Michigan, popular option for kids fishing tackle. Unfortunately not much tackle made here anymore and has had recall issues.
SpiderWire: Popular braided fishing line with lots of made in the USA options. I recommend the Ultracast Fluoro-Braid Superline.
Stren: Well known fishing line company, lots of made in the USA options.
Ugly Stik: Nope, most of these popular fishing rods are made overseas now.
Van Staal: Reels mostly for saltwater anglers. Some components sourced from China, but does some manufacturing in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Tread carefully.
For more recommendations on American made fishing tackle, check out our research below. Also make sure to watch our YouTube video on American made fishing gear.
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Thanks for posting, Henry! At least my favorite, Trilene XL Clear, is still made in the good ol' USofA. ;D
It is SCARY the stuff we are use to is now being made in China and elsewhere . :'(
But back to Rowdy's prob on overpriced drag stuff .Doesn't Smooth Drag have anything for the Penn Baja 113hn or U.S. Senator?
Or is someone here making them ?
Quote from: Wompus Cat on October 22, 2021, 02:26:44 AM
It is SCARY the stuff we are use to is now being made in China and elsewhere . :'(
But back to Rowdy's prob on overpriced drag stuff .Doesn't Smooth Drag have anything for the Penn Baja 113hn or U.S. Senator?
Or is someone here making them ?
I know we have a double dog bridge,,,,, ;D
Guys,
Many of you know we are on this forum, for those of you who don't we are a simple PM or "PENN University" post away from getting your questions answered. I am able to help with anything Parts and Service related, Steve is here to help talk about product and answer any Technical questions.
Rudy
The Customer Service Reps you spoke to on the phone adhere to policies and are there to help take your questions and get parts orders inputted. They are not responsible for parts pricing or any of the policies and should not have taken the brunt of your anger. With that being said, we are in the middle of reviewing the pricing cost on the US113'S and 113HN's (share many of the same parts). Yes the metal drag washers appear to be high, and we will adjust the pricing accordingly. Please PM me your phone number and I will call you personally to discuss some of your concerns. Thanks
Tony DuBeck
Pure Fishing Parts & Service Manager.
Thanks for replying Tony. It's good know Penn does care. I'm glad I'm not trying to run a business in these crazy times.
Joe
Don't get me wrong here .I am not against foreign made stuff .
If the quality is as good or sometimes better than American made goods or something not made here I don't have a problem . I might not can afford it but that kind of competitiveness can be good and can help bring about new ideas and better made goods for everyone .
However companies being bought out by entities we have no way of knowing who it is and taking our engineering and production means as well as patented design and information in the guise of saving us money or while evading Taxes due and hiding HUGE profits is totally unacceptable to me . More over when they take a well known well made product and reduce it to a disposable piece of crap designed to either fail or decompose in a short period of time .
It is unfortunate that we live now in a society that not only condones this disposable ,get a new one throw away non repairable ,no replacement parts available in a short time type of living .
I was brought up in a day when you could buy a bottle of Milk ,drink it ,and return it for deposit as well as Pop Bottles which my family really couldn't afford to buy many of but we sure cashed in on picking them up on the roads which started the whole disposable trash society we have now so to speak except now the crap they throw out is not of any value to recycle ...lol
You relined your Brakes when worn out ,Rebuilt your Water pump ,Generator and many other things we now just throw out when the paint fades or something that does the exact same thing but with more memory comes along for three times the cost just to have it first . Then there is the 1200 dollar or more Tennis Shoes, and 12,000 Dollar Purses ................. That does it for me .
Maybe the thousands of Cargo ships sitting out of ports but can't get unloaded because of peeps not willing to work or other problems we have here will wake us up when we CAN"T HAVE IT NOW MOMMIE!!!!!
Right now I can still fix up my old reels and go fish so everything is JUST ROSY Here !! ;D
Quote from: Penn on October 22, 2021, 12:36:00 PM
Guys,
Many of you know we are on this forum, for those of you who don't we are a simple PM or "PENN University" post away from getting your questions answered. I am able to help with anything Parts and Service related, Steve is here to help talk about product and answer any Technical questions.
Rudy
The Customer Service Reps you spoke to on the phone adhere to policies and are there to help take your questions and get parts orders inputted. They are not responsible for parts pricing or any of the policies and should not have taken the brunt of your anger. With that being said, we are in the middle of reviewing the pricing cost on the US113'S and 113HN's (share many of the same parts). Yes the metal drag washers appear to be high, and we will adjust the pricing accordingly. Please PM me your phone number and I will call you personally to discuss some of your concerns. Thanks
Tony DuBeck
Pure Fishing Parts & Service Manager.
I am impressed to get a reply from an obvious Loyal Representative of Penn and your concern about what appears to be Price Gouging but it still does not address the Fact that not only are the Parts mentioned by Rowdy HIGH but they are not available or expected to be for a YEAR when they are an essential part everyone that owns one needs to have .
Is there a contact number where one could talk to the guy in charge of Stocking drags and washers ....lol
I mean it sure looks like somebody was asleep in the stock order dept. Nothing to do with you .....just sayin
Quote from: Wompus Cat on October 22, 2021, 01:23:17 PM
Quote from: Penn on October 22, 2021, 12:36:00 PM
Guys,
Many of you know we are on this forum, for those of you who don't we are a simple PM or "PENN University" post away from getting your questions answered. I am able to help with anything Parts and Service related, Steve is here to help talk about product and answer any Technical questions.
Rudy
The Customer Service Reps you spoke to on the phone adhere to policies and are there to help take your questions and get parts orders inputted. They are not responsible for parts pricing or any of the policies and should not have taken the brunt of your anger. With that being said, we are in the middle of reviewing the pricing cost on the US113'S and 113HN's (share many of the same parts). Yes the metal drag washers appear to be high, and we will adjust the pricing accordingly. Please PM me your phone number and I will call you personally to discuss some of your concerns. Thanks
Tony DuBeck
Pure Fishing Parts & Service Manager.
I am impressed to get a reply from an obvious Loyal Representative of Penn and your concern about what appears to be Price Gouging but it still does not address the Fact that not only are the Parts mentioned by Rowdy HIGH but they are not available or expected to be for a YEAR when they are an essential part everyone that owns one needs to have .
Is there a contact number where one could talk to the guy in charge of Stocking drags and washers ....lol
I mean it sure looks like somebody was asleep in the stock order dept. Nothing to do with you .....just sayin
Just like many other industries the supply chain is in bad shape for many things including spare parts. However, with these reels being made about 30 ft. from my office and a phone call to the Manufacturing Team we will have parts available later today since they just received their stock. My guess is next year was in reference to 2022 and not a full year, our system shows ETA's but sometimes our Vendors have the part in stock and ships right away.
tony
QuoteJust like many other industries the supply chain is in bad shape for many things including spare parts. However, with these reels being made about 30 ft. from my office and a phone call to the Manufacturing Team we will have parts available later today since they just received their stock. My guess is next year was in reference to 2022 and not a full year, our system shows ETA's but sometimes our Vendors have the part in stock and ships right away.
tony
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Good deal and thanks for doing this but ...... can you put a bug in their ear on the Pricing ?
Quote from: Wompus Cat on October 22, 2021, 01:44:21 PM
QuoteJust like many other industries the supply chain is in bad shape for many things including spare parts. However, with these reels being made about 30 ft. from my office and a phone call to the Manufacturing Team we will have parts available later today since they just received their stock. My guess is next year was in reference to 2022 and not a full year, our system shows ETA's but sometimes our Vendors have the part in stock and ships right away.
tony
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Good deal and thanks for doing this but ...... can you put a bug in their ear on the Pricing ?
Yes that's the plan, this was on my initial post,
"With that being said, we are in the middle of reviewing the pricing cost on the US113'S and 113HN's (share many of the same parts). Yes the metal drag washers appear to be high, and we will adjust the pricing accordingly."
tony
I just got off the phone with Tony at Pure a little while ago. Finally somebody who knows what's going on and has answers to my questions. I'm glad that somebody can finally do something about ordering and getting prices in line that are reasonable. Thank you Tony. Rudy
Thank you Tony !!
-Ted
Tony is a class act eh? Thanks Tony. I never go fishing so my reels don't need parts currently. ;D
Some Shimano prices have jumped also. Here in Canada anyways. A single drag washer for a Tekota 600LC is 17.99. Star Drag 37.99. Spool assy 54.99. If you order $2 worth of parts they charge a minimum $9 shipping. Shipping increases for larger cost orders. Nothing to do with size of the order. I get one or two little plastic bags in a box the size of a shoe box.
It can get expensive if your parts order is broken up due to having to wait for a non available part.
Good onya Tony!
Supply chain disruption is now a fact of life for everything- fishing stuff, parts for anything, lumber, gas, vehicles, foodstuffs. Chicken wings are 5 bucks a pound while boneless skinless breasts can be found for 1.99; ribeye is 15 bucks at WALMART (uh, hell no); I spend most of my working day finding alternate chemical sources in my day job.
I just paid more for a 25 yo Abu than it cost new.
Though prices are high on everything, you can barely find anyone at a bigbox who knows where anything is in their own store, let alone customer service satisfaction on a phone.
So that said, I appreciate the fact that Tony is a person, listening, and taking care of business- who else does it on that personal a level in the rest of our consumer lives? His office is literally that close to service, I saw it. Great guy.
My 0.02.