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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Shimano Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Quoc_Pham on August 09, 2014, 06:46:31 PM

Title: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 09, 2014, 06:46:31 PM
Old school Shimano Triton Mark IV S
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5859_zps00aed535.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5859_zps00aed535.jpg.html)

Start by taking off the screw that holds the main screw for the handle.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5860_zps53bdb7f5.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5860_zps53bdb7f5.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5861_zpsf41d79dd.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5861_zpsf41d79dd.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5862_zps26a2f9fa.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5862_zps26a2f9fa.jpg.html)

At this point I removed the cast control (be careful not to lose the shiny brass or copper shim inside) and the star.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5863_zps5b1fcde6.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5863_zps5b1fcde6.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5865_zps5de86755.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5865_zps5de86755.jpg.html)

Remove the three thumb screws holding the side metal ring
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5864_zps35be5c54.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5864_zps35be5c54.jpg.html)

Then remove the locking screw and main screw for the clutch lever
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5866_zpsb73fae02.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5866_zpsb73fae02.jpg.html)

Remove the (4) screws that hold the side casing.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5867_zps05bbd93b.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5867_zps05bbd93b.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5868_zps2881fb75.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5868_zps2881fb75.jpg.html)

The case and gears should come apart as one unit when you remove it.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5903_zpsd829a70d.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5903_zpsd829a70d.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5904_zpse5909fc5.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5904_zpse5909fc5.jpg.html)

When you separate the case, these three little O-Rings may pop out, do yourself a favor and put them back onto the screw now to prevent you from misplacing them.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5905_zps3e3600fb.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5905_zps3e3600fb.jpg.html)

The gear assembly and housing should separate easily. If not tap on the main gear shaft lightly and it should pop out (I already removed the gear stack).
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5869_zps604e9db4.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5869_zps604e9db4.jpg.html)

Gear and drags were removed. (The guy who I sent to before me misassembled the drag stack which made it feel funny).
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5871_zps5e5d86a6.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5871_zps5e5d86a6.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5873_zps14c4e68f.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5873_zps14c4e68f.jpg.html)

Disassemble and clean [Note: I use a baby food jar 1/4 full of carb cleaner, drop the parts in, close the lid and give a little swirl for about 60 seconds]
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5875_zps17896b83.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5875_zps17896b83.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5876_zps01560cdc.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5876_zps01560cdc.jpg.html)

Oops! Dawn sent me the wrong drags... will have to update when I get the correct ones. Until then keep cleaning and servicing!
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5878_zps3163ef34.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5878_zps3163ef34.jpg.html)

Inside of the case looked like this, I removed the spring for the clutch lever and round brass piece. I also removed the retaining clip for the spool bearing as well.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5890_zps0c0983d9.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5890_zps0c0983d9.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5893_zps778b3264.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5893_zps778b3264.jpg.html)

After cleaning the bearing, reinstall it and replace retaining clip and then grease.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5895_zps8ee79a44.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5895_zps8ee79a44.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5896_zps23bbead8.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5896_zps23bbead8.jpg.html)

Anti-reverse assembly cleaned up and greased.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5897_zps8448b679.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5897_zps8448b679.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5899_zps21a0b909.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5899_zps21a0b909.jpg.html)

Reinstall the pinion gear and yoke and then grease.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5901_zpsfa517850.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_5901_zpsfa517850.jpg.html)

So the new drags came in... much better.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6021_zpsc87ebd50.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6021_zpsc87ebd50.jpg.html)

This is the order of the drag stack, I FORGOT TO PUT THE () [belleville] washers in this photo between the keyed washer and bearing.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6025_zpsb7f96416.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6025_zpsb7f96416.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6026_zpsb7e3730f.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6026_zpsb7e3730f.jpg.html)

Grease the inside
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6027_zps484ccf3a.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6027_zps484ccf3a.jpg.html)

Assemble the gear into the side case [NOTE: Make sure the clutch round pin (on the round roller) lines up with the Yoke or you could damage it.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6029_zpsed9eaa86.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6029_zpsed9eaa86.jpg.html)

Reinstall spool
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6031_zps53b0ed03.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6031_zps53b0ed03.jpg.html)

Grease the screw holes and mount the gear assembly to the case
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6032_zpsbd4c628e.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6032_zpsbd4c628e.jpg.html)

Before you put the entire side back onto the cage, put the three thumb screws through the aluminum plate and side, then add the O-ring.
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6038_zpsf2445dbb.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6038_zpsf2445dbb.jpg.html)
(http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab176/240Z_Master/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6034_zpscac49db4.jpg) (http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/media/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S/IMG_6034_zpscac49db4.jpg.html)

The rest my hands got dirty and got lazy picking up the camera phone but it's pretty simple,

Attach the clutch lever
Screw it in and attach the lock screw
Attach the star
Attach the lever
Screw it in and lock it.

Done!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Not crazy about the shell on that reel, but I do see some nice features in the inside. That dog is one of the best yet.
I know you're not done, but, nice Job Croaker-King.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 09, 2014, 07:23:53 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Not crazy about the shell on that reel, but I do see some nice features in the inside. That dog is one of the best yet.
I know you're not done, but, nice Job Croaker-King.

Thanks! The reel has sentimental values, it belonged to my late father and surprisingly enough, I always wanted to go fishing with him but never had the chance (only when I was young). So rebuilding this reel and catching fish on it is a personal way of staying connected to him.

I was also very impressed by the dog! I just tore apart my first reel couple days ago and it was the Torium 30... I thought man they should put these old dogs into these new reels! The action on it is a lot more solid ins opinion.

However when my son becomes of age... I'm taking him fishing!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:28:15 PM
Beautiful@!...that's what it's all about ;).
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 12, 2014, 03:10:58 AM
Okay, should be done... This is only my second reel I've ever opened up so bear with me.

I'll be attacking my Shimano Baitrunner 4000D and 6000D soon!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: MFB on August 12, 2014, 07:39:44 AM
Nice, I have a MK IV speedmaster, but it looks different to this. No chrome & has Phillips head screws that hold the side plates to the frame.

Rgds

Mark   
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 12, 2014, 04:12:21 PM
Quote from: MFB on August 12, 2014, 07:39:44 AM
Nice, I have a MK IV speedmaster, but it looks different to this. No chrome & has Phillips head screws that hold the side plates to the frame.

Rgds

Mark   

I think the Speedmasters are newer
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: doradoben on August 17, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
Nice job on the tutorial. I'm sure it takes a lot of patience. Do the old drag washers look that way because they were cleaned?
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: alantani on August 17, 2014, 09:19:24 AM
nice post!  send me a pm and i'll mail out a wrench!!!!!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 19, 2014, 09:58:19 PM
Quote from: doradoben on August 17, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
Nice job on the tutorial. I'm sure it takes a lot of patience. Do the old drag washers look that way because they were cleaned?

Honestly I have no idea, that's how it was "as removed". But I couldn't go wrong with the carbontex drags!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: basto on August 21, 2014, 12:38:15 AM
I think the original drag washers are canvas.
I love these old Tritons. They remind me of the Daiwa 50h. Alumnium side plates and frame, a quick change spool facility, nice sprung stainless dog and ratchet and a sensible gear ratio with a 2 position handle. What more could you want?
A beautiful, solid reel.
I have a Mark1 and 2 and am still looking for a 3 and 4.
cheers
Basto
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: basto on August 21, 2014, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Not crazy about the shell on that reel, but I do see some nice features in the inside. That dog is one of the best yet.
I know you're not done, but, nice Job Croaker-King.
Hi Sal
Just wondering what you are referring to as the "shell" ?
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: Alto Mare on August 21, 2014, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: basto on August 21, 2014, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Not crazy about the shell on that reel, but I do see some nice features in the inside. That dog is one of the best yet.
I know you're not done, but, nice Job Croaker-King.
Hi Sal
Just wondering what you are referring to as the "shell" ?
Sorry Basto... the graphite body.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: hurt locker on August 21, 2014, 02:30:34 AM
 Very nice tutorial. Thanks.  This tutorial will work for the Triton Mark III as well as the Triton 300 and  400 on the handle side. All the same. The frames on these Tritons are all aluminum, not graphite like the Speedmasters. I have worked on about 20 of these reels of various models and I think they were and still are awesome reels. Myself and a couple of my friends use them all the time for Flatheads and Big Blues. Here is a list of all the models that fall under Croaker's tutorial;;; Triton Mark IV, Mag Mark IV, Mark III, Mag Mark III, 300 Levelwind and 400 Levelwind..............   Hurt Locker
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (to be continued)
Post by: basto on August 21, 2014, 02:37:22 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 21, 2014, 01:39:03 AM
Quote from: basto on August 21, 2014, 01:28:22 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on August 09, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Not crazy about the shell on that reel, but I do see some nice features in the inside. That dog is one of the best yet.
I know you're not done, but, nice Job Croaker-King.
Hi Sal
Just wondering what you are referring to as the "shell" ?
Sorry Basto... the graphite body.
The body and side plates are aluminium.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Alto Mare on August 21, 2014, 05:57:45 AM
Thanks for clarifying Basto, it looked like graphite on the pics. Now I need to get my hands on one ;D, I really like what I see in that reel.
Sal
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: basto on August 21, 2014, 08:41:41 AM
I knew you would like it Sal.   It is a quality star drag.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: hurt locker on August 21, 2014, 12:39:29 PM
  Make sure to check out how the thrust bearing works in conjunction with the star and the entire drag stack. Kind of unique..... Hurt Locker
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: pbb on November 15, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
"The gear assembly and housing should separate easily. If not tap on the main gear shaft lightly and it should pop out (I already removed the gear stack)."

Any advice if it's stuck and "tapping lightly" isn't cutting it?
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: hurt locker on November 19, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: pbb on November 15, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
"The gear assembly and housing should separate easily. If not tap on the main gear shaft lightly and it should pop out (I already removed the gear stack)."

Any advice if it's stuck and "tapping lightly" isn't cutting it?

If you look at the picture that shows the AR dog, you will see the AR dog on a tall post. That post slides into a machined hole in the side plate and sometimes corrosion builds up around it. Try spraying some penetrating oil in the 4 bolt holes that hold the bridge in place and keep tapping lightly. I had the same problem on a couple of mine and just had to keep working it loose.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Bryan Young on November 19, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
Amazing how that reel looks like the Daiwa aluminum Sealine series reels, like the 300H.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: pbb on November 22, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: hurt locker on November 19, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: pbb on November 15, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
"The gear assembly and housing should separate easily. If not tap on the main gear shaft lightly and it should pop out (I already removed the gear stack)."

Any advice if it's stuck and "tapping lightly" isn't cutting it?

If you look at the picture that shows the AR dog, you will see the AR dog on a tall post. That post slides into a machined hole in the side plate and sometimes corrosion builds up around it. Try spraying some penetrating oil in the 4 bolt holes that hold the bridge in place and keep tapping lightly. I had the same problem on a couple of mine and just had to keep working it loose.

Awesome, Hurt Locker, that did the trick.

Now that I've got it apart (which was originally to deal with the freespool lever getting sticky, can anyone tell me the correct carbontex drag washers (or kit) for the Mark III mag? (My understanding is it is also the same as the Mark IV with/or without the Mag)? I might as well upgrade the drag while I've got it apart.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: hurt locker on November 23, 2014, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: pbb on November 22, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
Quote from: hurt locker on November 19, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Quote from: pbb on November 15, 2014, 05:33:35 PM
"The gear assembly and housing should separate easily. If not tap on the main gear shaft lightly and it should pop out (I already removed the gear stack)."

Any advice if it's stuck and "tapping lightly" isn't cutting it?

If you look at the picture that shows the AR dog, you will see the AR dog on a tall post. That post slides into a machined hole in the side plate and sometimes corrosion builds up around it. Try spraying some penetrating oil in the 4 bolt holes that hold the bridge in place and keep tapping lightly. I had the same problem on a couple of mine and just had to keep working it loose.

Awesome, Hurt Locker, that did the trick.

Now that I've got it apart (which was originally to deal with the freespool lever getting sticky, can anyone tell me the correct carbontex drag washers (or kit) for the Mark III mag? (My understanding is it is also the same as the Mark IV with/or without the Mag)? I might as well upgrade the drag while I've got it apart.

 All of the Triton XHS series reel parts are the same on the handle side. I use 3  of the Penn 113h carbon plates and 2 of the 47sh black plastic plates under the gear. They are thin so I use 2. Got everything from Smoothdrag. Cals grease on everything.

 I also have a 1+5 stack from a Penn 113H that I got from Smooothdrag in a Triton 300.  Used 2 of the 47SH plates under the gear also. Had to bend the ears down on the top eared washer. Again Cals grease on everything. Had to file the keyed washers just bit to make them fit over the driveshaft and the eared washers are not a perfect fit but the drag is very smooth and works well. This is sold as a kit but you will have to add the 2 pieces from the 47SH. You have to be very careful of the height tolerances on the Triton XHS reels.

  Please  take a second and and note how the Big thrust washer and the 2 cone washers in the drag stack work to keep a very steady even pressure on the drag stack and spread the pressure to the outside of the drag stack.

 When you re-assemble it, sqeeze the bridge and side plate together and line up the engage lever. trip the lever back and forth while still squeezing and you will feel everything snap into place.

  I have several of these and use them to fish for Big Blue Cats on the James River. Love Em!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: pbb on November 23, 2014, 02:17:05 AM
So I have both a Mark III Mag and I just got a Mark IV Mag.

I am cleaning the Mark III because the clutch lever started getting really sticky.

But I also opened up the Mark IV, and it seems to be missing a piece.

On the plate on the III there is a brass piece in the hole that the spool "axle" goes through, but that's absent on my IV.

I can't see a part number on the schematic. Is that even supposed to be removable? Does it have a part number?

It seems like the reel works without it, but there would be some danger of bending the "axle" if one was fighting a heavy fish (or trying to break off a snag).

(I am attaching a pic.)
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: hurt locker on November 23, 2014, 02:45:29 AM
Quote from: pbb on November 23, 2014, 02:17:05 AM
So I have both a Mark III Mag and I just got a Mark IV Mag.

I am cleaning the Mark III because the clutch lever started getting really sticky.

But I also opened up the Mark IV, and it seems to be missing a piece.

On the plate on the III there is a brass piece in the hole that the spool "axle" goes through, but that's absent on my IV.

I can't see a part number on the schematic. Is that even supposed to be removable? Does it have a part number?

It seems like the reel works without it, but there would be some danger of bending the "axle" if one was fighting a heavy fish (or trying to break off a snag).

(I am attaching a pic.)

   Two of the ones that I have are also missing that piece. They have all made 4 trips to the James and I have experienced no failures at all. Actually, I just discovered those missing pieces a couple of months ago. Took all of mine apart and found out that 2 are missing that piece. All that I can say is that I have not experienced a problem from it.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: FatTuna on November 23, 2014, 03:13:51 AM
Nice tutorial. Looks like a decent reel too.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: pbb on November 23, 2014, 07:44:22 PM
OK, thanks Hurt Locker. I'll treat it as a feature, rather than a bug. Thanks.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on August 22, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Is there a way I can see the original pictures? Al I see is a photobucket logo
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 22, 2017, 07:19:02 PM
Let me see if I can fix the pictures, in the meantime I'll provide a link.
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: Quoc_Pham on August 22, 2017, 07:20:21 PM
Quote from: barkley1956 on August 22, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Is there a way I can see the original pictures? Al I see is a photobucket logo

Please look here in the meantime

http://s861.photobucket.com/user/240Z_Master/library/Fishing%20Reel%20Stuff/Triton%20Mark%20IV%20S
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on September 05, 2017, 10:58:53 PM
That did it, THANK YOU!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on September 06, 2017, 08:30:37 PM
So now I find the pinion shaft has come loose from its crimp fit. Tried to tighten it with a hammer and punch to no avail. Any thoughts were I can locate one? Searched web for a long while to find nothing. Part #is TRN81 Set Plate
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on September 06, 2017, 08:40:35 PM
Never mind, I guess I'm getting old lol
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: alantani on September 06, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
that works!!!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on September 09, 2017, 05:52:02 PM
Quoc, I too got the wrong drag set.     Do you recall which set it was you used or did you modify that set?

Thanks, Jim
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: PacRat on September 09, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
I think the drag set is the same as a 4/0 Penn. I haven't had mine open in a while so don't take my word but if you have a 4/0 check and see.
Good luck
Mike
Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: PacRat on September 09, 2017, 08:04:28 PM
I found this on page 2 of this thread:

"All of the Triton XHS series reel parts are the same on the handle side. I use 3  of the Penn 113h carbon plates and 2 of the 47sh black plastic plates under the gear. They are thin so I use 2. Got everything from Smoothdrag. Cals grease on everything.

  I also have a 1+5 stack from a Penn 113H that I got from Smooothdrag in a Triton 300.  Used 2 of the 47SH plates under the gear also. Had to bend the ears down on the top eared washer. Again Cals grease on everything. Had to file the keyed washers just bit to make them fit over the driveshaft and the eared washers are not a perfect fit but the drag is very smooth and works well. This is sold as a kit but you will have to add the 2 pieces from the 47SH. You have to be very careful of the height tolerances on the Triton XHS reels."

Title: Re: Shimano Triton Mark IV S Tutorial (of sorts)
Post by: barkley1956 on September 13, 2017, 09:03:06 PM
Excellent, thank you much!!!!