So I have been searching the forum for info on what to do and it's quite daunting considering the huge amount of info here. Basically I wanna set this reel up to winch large grouper from 200+ft of water. From what I have gathered, upgrading to the gen 2 gear sleeve, going with SS gears, handle upgrade, and adding the 7+1 drag upgrade would be the ticket without going wild? Anything else I should consider?
Handle and knob? Mr. Tani sells a great knob that fits nice in your hand for winching...
I'm not sure if the brass gears would hold up but they are slower and would be better for grouper. If you can find NOS stainless steel gears from the 114H Anniversary special, that would be better.
Bryan, any idea on the part number for that anniversary gear? I googled " penn senator 114h anniversary main gear" and other variations of that will no luck.
That is a tall order for a 114H.
I would put some serious groceries in there.
SS Sleeve, SS Gears from Black Pearl with an insert kit. Stainless arm and 5/0 grip.
For winching a Big Grouper, I would add a frame too.
I can see the posts twisting and the reel blowing up without one.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm11/ddyer2/IMG_3145_zpsh9ft1luy.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/ddyer2/media/IMG_3145_zpsh9ft1luy.jpg.html)
I'm not saying you have to spend a bunch of money, but I can't see a 114H pulling this off without these upgrades.
I've seen what these monsters are capable of.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm11/ddyer2/IMG_3148_zps1mg6xtx5.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/ddyer2/media/IMG_3148_zps1mg6xtx5.jpg.html)
It was the same # as the bronze gear. It has not been made for many years. You just have to hunt for a used one that is for sale or find somebody that has a NOS that they want to sell. Just get in line, I've been looking for a couple for quite a while. They are almost as rare now as hens teeth. Rudy
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.
A Penn steel gear will work also.
The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on April 30, 2017, 05:44:35 PM
That is a tall order for a 114H.
I would put some serious groceries in there.
SS Sleeve, SS Gears from Black Pearl with an insert kit. Stainless arm and 5/0 grip.
For winching a Big Grouper, I would add a frame too.
I can see the posts twisting and the reel blowing up without one.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm11/ddyer2/IMG_3145_zpsh9ft1luy.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/ddyer2/media/IMG_3145_zpsh9ft1luy.jpg.html)
I'm not saying you have to spend a bunch of money, but I can't see a 114H pulling this off without these upgrades.
I've seen what these monsters are capable of.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm11/ddyer2/IMG_3148_zps1mg6xtx5.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/ddyer2/media/IMG_3148_zps1mg6xtx5.jpg.html)
Thanks for the info. Where did you get that SS reel arm?
If you're going with the upgrades, it is a good idea to install a second dog, but you will need to get creative with the grinding tool.
Here is what i'm talking about:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3077.0
Did this a while back, things got out of hand from here...hold on to your wallet :).
Sal
Yea I saw the double dog post. I'm not meticulous enough to pull that off. Wish there was a drop in option like I've seen on here for the 113h. And my wallet is already taking notice of everything. Frame $90, gears $75, sleeve $40, handle and arm will be $50ish. Drag upgrade $40. Basically $300. The bright side is the reel was free.
Sometimes the cost of upgrades outweigh the practicality of the reel (is that a word?). Most do it for the love of the hobby and/or the reel's sentimental value. If you are fishing with braid, a 4/0 would give you enough capacity and the available upgrades are unlimited. Having said that a Baja special or a new US Senator would be a good choice for 99.9% of Groupers unless you are targeting Jewfish, Warsaws or record Blacks.
Just my thoughts.
Scott.
Quote from: conchydong on April 30, 2017, 11:36:53 PM
Sometimes the cost of upgrades outweigh the practicality of the reel (is that a word?). Most do it for the love of the hobby and/or the reel's sentimental value. If you are fishing with braid, a 4/0 would give you enough capacity and the available upgrades are unlimited. Having said that a Baja special or a new US Senator would be a good choice for 99.9% of Groupers unless you are targeting Jewfish, Warsaws or record Blacks.
Just my thoughts.
Scott.
There is some sentimental value to the reel but throwing the drag upgrade in and using it as a trolling reel wouldn't hurt my feelings either. Any advantage of getting the narrow vs the standard spool on the US senator? Would still have to upgrade that hideous handle though.
But you get to build it to your specs and then fish it.
That handle arm came from Lee.
There are comparative ones available from Three Se7ens,
They are the ultimate upgrade in my opinion.
When searching informations on upgrades, it is easier to type 114H on the search bar on the top right and you will get all the informations you'll need.
The 114h has five pages worth o info, lots of good stuff there.
Now I'm going to ask you a question: does your reel have frame posts, bars or one-piece frame? You will get away with all, except the frame posts.
You might already have ss gears in that reel, if you don't, look on line. Although most say those are hard to find, I do see them pop up every now and then.
A ss gear sleeve and drag upgrade...as you've mentioned above is all you would need.
As Daron has mentioned, a custom handle will help winching them up.
You do not need to go all out, I have some 114H that are worth $600, those are loaded with upgrades.
Is it worth it? that all depends on who you ask.
All reels have teir purpose, if you ask me, I'll say yes it is worth it.
When done with the upgrades, you won't find a better reel out there. Of course this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Sal
fish with it a bit first, then start making upgrades. ;D
Quote from: alantani on May 01, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
fish with it a bit first, then start making upgrades. ;D
I have fished with it for years. I recently brought an old Penn 6500SS back to life that was part of my dad and I's first offshore fishing arsenal when I was 10. This Senator was bought at the same time (summer of 96). It has been fished quite a bit from trolling to bottom. I figure if I can upgrade it a bit now, use it for grouper, it will last and can be passed down to my son. I am still on the fence about what to do but I am leaning towards upgrading this vs. getting a US Senator. Heck, may just need to do both..
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 01, 2017, 09:54:05 AM
When searching informations on upgrades, it is easier to type 114H on the search bar on the top right and you will get all the informations you'll need.
The 114h has five pages worth o info, lots of good stuff there.
Now I'm going to ask you a question: does your reel have frame posts, bars or one-piece frame? You will get away with all, except the frame posts.
You might already have ss gears in that reel, if you don't, look on line. Although most say those are hard to find, I do see them pop up every now and then.
A ss gear sleeve and drag upgrade...as you've mentioned above is all you would need.
As Daron has mentioned, a custom handle will help winching them up.
You do not need to go all out, I have some 114H that are worth $600, those are loaded with upgrades.
Is it worth it? that all depends on who you ask.
All reels have teir purpose, if you ask me, I'll say yes it is worth it.
When done with the upgrades, you won't find a better reel out there. Of course this is just my opinion.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Sal
Sal, didn't know how to answer your question about the frame so here are some pics. In assuming these are posts?
It's still on its matching rod. Pretty sure it has broke twice and is a bit shorter than original.
The reel would do fine as is, but if you're targeting grouper you would definitely want to replace those frame posts.
Nice rod, I have a few of those myself.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2017, 12:13:09 AM
The reel would do fine as is, but if you're targeting grouper you would definitely want to replace those frame posts.
Nice rod, I have a few of those myself.
A Tiburon frame replacement would be the best bet?
Also, on the double dog. I just read your post about it (again) and im definitely not meticulous/skilled enough to execute that correctly. I know for what I plan on asking of the reel it would be ideal of course. Any other options? Also, the reel has never been opened in 20 years. As with the 6500ss, it was never serviced and I have only been a reel DIY'er for a short time. For as anal as he was with stuff, he never cared to do PM on our reels. Guess its time to open it up and at least see if I am working with SS or brass gears.
I'm 99.9% sure you have brass gears.
Here is what you need to do, purchase what I'll list below:
Arm and crank from the boss: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.msg126397#msg126397
Ultimate drag kit from Bryan: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0
SS Sleeve and (2) dogs from TomCortez Conversion https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/penn-98-115-ss-main-gear-sleeve-dog
For what you intend to do, lets keep the gears at 2.8:1 for now.
You could send the reel to me and I'll double dog it and assemble it, or you could send it to anyone else willing to do it for you.
If you're not concerned about looks, I might have a couple of frame bars you could have, but those are ugly...your call.
If you decide to go with me, let the guys mentioned above send the parts directly to me, after you pay for them of course.
All shipping costs are on you, assembly is on me.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
I'm 99.9% sure you have brass gears.
Here is what you need to do, purchase what I'll list below:
Arm and crank from the boss: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.msg126397#msg126397
Ultimate drag kit from Bryan: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0
SS Sleeve and (2) dogs from TomCortez Conversion https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/penn-98-115-ss-main-gear-sleeve-dog
For what you intend to do, lets keep the gears at 2.8:1 for now.
You could send the reel to me and I'll double dog it and assemble it, or you could send it to anyone else willing to do it for you.
If you're not concerned about looks, I might have a couple of frame bars you could have, but those are ugly...your call.
If you decide to go with me, let the guys mentioned above send the parts directly to me, after you pay for them of course.
All shipping costs are on you, assembly is on me.
Sal
Sal, this is quite generous of you, thank you! As far as adding the items and the assembly of the reel, I would like to do that. I want to see/touch/ etc everything as its added. Sounds weird when I type it out but im sure you get what I mean. Now, I would like to send the side plate to you for the double dog. Just let me know what you'd charge me for it. Do I need to send the second dog and spring along with it? Also, would you need to whole reel or just the side plate? if just that with or without it's contents? I am about to pull it apart now.
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
I'm 99.9% sure you have brass gears.
Here is what you need to do, purchase what I'll list below:
Arm and crank from the boss: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.msg126397#msg126397
Ultimate drag kit from Bryan: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0
SS Sleeve and (2) dogs from TomCortez Conversion https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/penn-98-115-ss-main-gear-sleeve-dog
For what you intend to do, lets keep the gears at 2.8:1 for now.
You could send the reel to me and I'll double dog it and assemble it, or you could send it to anyone else willing to do it for you.
If you're not concerned about looks, I might have a couple of frame bars you could have, but those are ugly...your call.
If you decide to go with me, let the guys mentioned above send the parts directly to me, after you pay for them of course.
All shipping costs are on you, assembly is on me.
Sal
Sal, this is quite generous of you, thank you! As far as adding the items and the assembly of the reel, I would like to do that. I want to see/touch/ etc everything as its added. Sounds weird when I type it out but im sure you get what I mean. Now, I would like to send the side plate to you for the double dog. Just let me know what you'd charge me for it. Do I need to send the second dog and spring along with it? Also, would you need to whole reel or just the side plate? if just that with or without it's contents? I am about to pull it apart now.
Yes of course I understand. Just send the plate and I'll do it for you N/C.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2017, 01:52:40 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 01:10:37 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
I'm 99.9% sure you have brass gears.
Here is what you need to do, purchase what I'll list below:
Arm and crank from the boss: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12786.msg126397#msg126397
Ultimate drag kit from Bryan: http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12788.0
SS Sleeve and (2) dogs from TomCortez Conversion https://www.cortezconversions.com/product-page/penn-98-115-ss-main-gear-sleeve-dog
For what you intend to do, lets keep the gears at 2.8:1 for now.
You could send the reel to me and I'll double dog it and assemble it, or you could send it to anyone else willing to do it for you.
If you're not concerned about looks, I might have a couple of frame bars you could have, but those are ugly...your call.
If you decide to go with me, let the guys mentioned above send the parts directly to me, after you pay for them of course.
All shipping costs are on you, assembly is on me.
Sal
Sal, this is quite generous of you, thank you! As far as adding the items and the assembly of the reel, I would like to do that. I want to see/touch/ etc everything as its added. Sounds weird when I type it out but im sure you get what I mean. Now, I would like to send the side plate to you for the double dog. Just let me know what you'd charge me for it. Do I need to send the second dog and spring along with it? Also, would you need to whole reel or just the side plate? if just that with or without it's contents? I am about to pull it apart now.
Yes of course I understand. Just send the plate and I'll do it for you N/C.
Thanks! Just got it apart and cleaning parts up now. Just PM me where I need to send it and I will get it out tomorrow. I really appreciate it.
Also, the gear is brass. Everything is in surprisingly good shape on the handle side. Some surface rust on the left side that wiped right off. Also, how do you get the gear sleeve off of the bridge to put the SS one in it's place?
There's a pin that locks it in place. Tap it out and it'll lift right off.
Quote from: MarkT on May 02, 2017, 02:34:17 AM
There's a pin that locks it in place. Tap it out and it'll lift right off.
Thanks. I see it now.
Troutman561, here's my 114HL. Wanted to show you an example of serious winch type handle for the kind of fishing you described. Mine's got a double ss dog upgrade thanks to Sal. I did it and it really wasn't that hard if you've got a dremal tool, just went real slow. Other than that, just 5 new C-tex washers, and one of Allen's ss gear sleeves. The reel came new with alum. spool and bars and I think that'ed be strong enough frame-wise. If I's doin it, that's where I'd start-the outside first(frame upgrade, etc.), then go to the guts. I'd definitely add a ss main gear with a drag insert to mine if I's goin after Groupers way deep. Penn makes a 1/2 frame, but I don't know about avalibility. Got one that came ona 114HLW. Whatever you do HAVE FUN SON!
Gfish
Penn 1/2 frame. Stronger than the 114HL's two alum. bars, note that the frame and stand are one piece, just like a tiburon frame. The HL's frame is three parts with the stand/clamp seperate from the bars(can't see that in photo, though).
Gfish
Those stock Penn Aluminum frames were a hot commodity when they were available.
I have a few. The WEX is the super 114H. Those are long gone too.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2667_zps861550a0.jpg)
Troutman,
Just my 2 cents worth, when you get a chance to have a reel upgraded by someone such as Sal, you will never regret it!
These Ohana know what they're doing, and it will be of the finest quality! They take pride in their work, and it shows! I'm new here, but it doesn't take long to realize they are quality people who truly enjoy sharing their skills! No better place to be found..Period!
Brett
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.
A Penn steel gear will work also.
The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.
Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
Naw, if ya see one a these, just direct me to it. Kidding. Yeah I'd jump on one like that for $70. Better than both my frame set-ups.
Gfish
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
Gfish that is the full frame. The half frame doesn't have the upper part of the frame. The newer Tiburon frames are full frames without the top bar.
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on May 02, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings. Rudy
Good to know. I will have to find a couple of those. Thanks!
Edit: Would this be what I am looking for? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-REEL-PART-2N-114-Senator-114H-Full-Half-Frame-Outer-Ring-B/302268287170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Da72fdf61782f412a964ad73df8001c85%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302072168402
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on May 02, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 09:37:36 PM
Well, it is on the way. Now, how the heck do incorporate it into the reel? I see no screw holes. I'm assuming it will probably make sense once I have it in hand?
You don't use the inner rings from your plates. The holes are there but there is only 5 instead of 8. You will have to replace the outer rings with 5 hole rings. Rudy
Good to know. I will have to find a couple of those. Thanks!
Edit: Would this be what I am looking for? http://www.ebay.com/itm/PENN-REEL-PART-2N-114-Senator-114H-Full-Half-Frame-Outer-Ring-B/302268287170?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Da72fdf61782f412a964ad73df8001c85%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D302072168402
That's the one but I would offer 5-$6 each. He will usually bargain.
Will do. Thanks!
That's the left outer, you will still need a right outer.
Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.
I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.
A Penn steel gear will work also.
The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.
Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
I don't believe so.
I'm not sure who made those for Penn, could have been Tiburon, but probably not.
In my opinion, the machining on those is much better, not that there is anything wrong with Tiburon, I just like those a little better.
Make sure the screws are well greased when mounting it to the plates.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 03, 2017, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.
A Penn steel gear will work also.
The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.
Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
I don't believe so.
I'm not sure who made those for Penn, could have been Tiburon, but probably not.
In my opinion, the machining on those is much better, not that there is anything wrong with Tiburon, I just like those a little better.
Make sure the screws are well greased when mounting it to the plates.
Sal
Thanks and will do.
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.
I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?
The original main gear is heat treated steel not stainless. I doubt that you could ever break it. By using the Penn gear it has a lower gear ratio then the aftermarket gears which will be better for winching up a big Grouper.
Quote from: RowdyW on May 03, 2017, 01:12:34 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 10:09:31 PM
Yea I didnt post that link but I did find it.
I have also found a Penn main stainless main gear. Is this just as strong as the aftermarket ones from Scott's?
The original main gear is heat treated steel not stainless. I doubt that you could ever break it. By using the Penn gear it has a lower gear ratio then the aftermarket gears which will be better for winching up a big Grouper.
So the original main gear I found was for the 113h. They had the part number as the model number so that made it a bit confusing. I did find a steel Senator 115 main gear. I know the 114 and 115 share the same main gear (part number 5-115) so it would stand to reason stock the pinion will work, correct? I just wanna make sure before I order it.
Yes, use it with the original pinion gear. The original pinion gear is stainless steel. It's a good strong setup. The 114H & 115 share the same main gear. Don't get a 114 gear as it is smaller. Rudy
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 03, 2017, 12:19:39 AM
Quote from: troutman561 on May 02, 2017, 08:39:20 PM
Quote from: handi2 on April 30, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I've built a few for people using the Penn half frame found on the 114HL reels. The solid aluminum half frame. If you can find one of those reels on the auction site.
A Penn steel gear will work also.
The drag Insert from Motive Fab is the way to go on these reels. Nothing else beats it.
Is this the Penn frame you speak of? I like the idea of a Penn part for the frame. Am I short changing myself not getting this Tiburon Frame? This is $70
I don't believe so.
I'm not sure who made those for Penn, could have been Tiburon, but probably not.
In my opinion, the machining on those is much better, not that there is anything wrong with Tiburon, I just like those a little better.
Make sure the screws are well greased when mounting it to the plates.
Sal
This can't be stressed enough. I found a 114HLW with the aluminum frame. It took some PB Blaster and persuasion to remove the seized screws without stripping the softer aluminum.
If you are using a used frame it would be a good idea to run an oiled 8-40 tap in all the holes to clean them out. I also do this with new frames in case there is any dirt in them. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on May 18, 2017, 01:09:17 AM
If you are using a used frame it would be a good idea to run an oiled 5-40 tap in all the holes to clean them out. I also do this with new frames in case there is any dirt in them. Rudy
Good tip Rudy, I do the samre and also run one on my stars when servicing a reel, but don't have tapps for the larger reels, only the jigmaster size and 113H's. It does make a difference.
Sal
Ill definitely do that. Thanks guys! You all have been above and beyond helpful.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 18, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on May 18, 2017, 01:09:17 AM
If you are using a used frame it would be a good idea to run an oiled 5-40 tap in all the holes to clean them out. I also do this with new frames in case there is any dirt in them. Rudy
Good tip Rudy, I do the samre and also run one on my stars when servicing a reel, but don't have tapps for the larger reels, only the jigmaster size and 113H's. It does make a difference.
Sal
Sal, the tap size for the 114 & up frames, posts, & stands is 8-40. I get the cheap China ones on ebay to clean out those holes. Rudy
Quote from: RowdyW on May 18, 2017, 02:27:14 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 18, 2017, 01:49:03 AM
Quote from: RowdyW on May 18, 2017, 01:09:17 AM
If you are using a used frame it would be a good idea to run an oiled 5-40 tap in all the holes to clean them out. I also do this with new frames in case there is any dirt in them. Rudy
Good tip Rudy, I do the samre and also run one on my stars when servicing a reel, but don't have tapps for the larger reels, only the jigmaster size and 113H's. It does make a difference.
Sal
Sal, the tap size for the 114 & up frames, posts, & stands is 8-40. I get the cheap China ones on ebay to clean out those holes. Rudy
No Rudy, I have what I need for the holes, I was talking taps for the stars. On the 114h and up, those are buttress threads, you would need a custom buttress tap.
Sal
I guess those taps are pretty expensive & have to be special ordered. That's probably why Adam dosen't make stars for Senators larger then 113H. Maybe aftermarket gear sleeves should be made with a thread to match a more common thread size & then stars could be made for them at a reasonable price. Just a thought. Custom is custom, right? Rudy
Custom cutters are a must for the Penn buttress threads. They are a very old, specialized thread spec. Old school German specs. I grind my own for all the main gear sleeves I make. The stars wouldn't be too hard in a CNC machine. You just have to make the investment in tooling.
Tom
Tom, are buttress threads a must? Would other types of threads work just as well? Or is that the only type thread that will take the constant tightening & loosening & pressure ? Just courious as to why this type of thread was choosen by Penn if other types would have worked just as well like on 112/500 & 113H. Rudy
I would be interested in 114h gear sleeves with standard threads. I think the extra strength of stainless would negate the need for buttress threads.