Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Ambassadeur Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Bigmike1984 on January 27, 2014, 07:09:29 AM

Title: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Bigmike1984 on January 27, 2014, 07:09:29 AM
Ok guys I have read a few different things on this.

So do y'all use oil or grease?

If grease how do you pack it?

If oil what do you like to use?

Thanks for your time and info.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 27, 2014, 07:27:35 AM
I pack all bearings w/Penn or some other grease if the reel is used for trolling exclusively.  I always remove shields on spool bearings, and will oil spool bearings w/TSI301 or Speed X (for max free spool and w/intent to service frequently) if the customer wants good free spool for casting, live baiting, or jigging.  Corrosion X also works well.  Grease will provide the best long-term protection though.

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Disregard above statement it was late and I misunderstood the question.

Do not use TSI products on anything with plastic parts, and it is my understanding that greasing IAR or antireverse clutch bearings is not recommended.  There is another tutorial which addresses a recommended method for servicing these.   Sorry for any confusion that resulted.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Drisse on January 27, 2014, 08:01:48 AM
I guess this is what you're looking for ?

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7593.0

*Edit* Forgott the link.....
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Bigmike1984 on January 27, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
Is there any benefit greas over oil?
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Keta on January 27, 2014, 02:27:54 PM
AR bearings should be lightly oiled.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Ken_D on January 27, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
What Mr. Keta said. I believe Abu is now addressing the slip issue (after about 15 years) by adding the mechanical dog to the brake plate, along with the IAR, for reels other than the JB (jerk-bait) version.  

For the past while, once I learned that the post for the dog is available in the global sector outside the USA, I just add it myself. I bought the posts only, as dogs are over here easy enough. Brake plates all come with the hole for the post, so install is uncomplicated.

The other way to go is to add an IAR to reels (where they will fit) when the dog is the anti-reverse. That's about 10-12.00 plus install to do. The IAR brg, and its sleeve.  I got my posts from Sweden at lundren's.
lundgrensfiske.com


(http://shop.lundgrensfiske.com/Graphics/Products/12011_m.jpg)
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: 0119 on January 27, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Ken D.,  do you know if that dawg post will also fit into the brake plate of newer with iar versions of the 1500/2500C ? 
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Ken_D on January 27, 2014, 06:52:06 PM
Quote from: 0119 on January 27, 2014, 06:41:06 PM
Ken D.,  do you know if that dawg post will also fit into the brake plate of newer with iar versions of the 1500/2500C ?  

Regrets, I do not. The newer 15's and 25's were never sold here, and I have only 5 older 2500C's, with dogs.  I've never even seen a new one up close, just pics.  :(
If you can locate an older one, you can compare the new brake plate to the old, and see if there's a hole on it,
where the dog post could go. Or you could easily drill a hole where the post should go. I'll send Mike's an emil for tomorrow (they take sun mon off) and see if he has a new/old in the shop to look at.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Bigmike1984 on January 27, 2014, 07:06:28 PM
Ken-D.

Do you know where I can order one of the dogs and post?

Thanks.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Ken_D on January 27, 2014, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Bigmike1984 on January 27, 2014, 07:06:28 PM
Ken-D.

Do you know where I can order one of the dogs and post?

Thanks.

Yuppers.... http://shop.lundgrensfiske.com/group.asp?group=1377    5th line item down. Main Page:

http://www.lundgrensfiske.com/  click webshop.  Swedish taxes are on the high side, so I'd get the dogs over here, and the posts over there. ~If~ they still permit the solo posts, no dogs. Last buy I did was 10 posts for 20 CAD/17.75 USD. including stamps. That was not quite 2 years back, mid 2012, so the price could have increased by now.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Keta on January 27, 2014, 11:55:02 PM
Here's one I did.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/Reels/6501II.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/Reels/6501II.jpg.html)
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: wallacewt on January 28, 2014, 06:01:18 AM
keta you got me all bamboozled
how do you know all this stuff  ;)
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Keta on January 28, 2014, 06:41:21 AM
Ken gets the blame,

http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2631.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2631.0)
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: wallacewt on January 28, 2014, 06:54:23 AM
I should have known it was ken
but that doesn't explain how you can walk up the steps backwards
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Keta on January 28, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
Before Ken made the post in the link above I would use older C3 plates and do the same thing but used plates were hard to find and new ones $$.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Killerbug on February 08, 2014, 04:50:28 AM
Grease in IAR bearings will cause them to slip, especially under cold conditions.

TIP: the baseplate used for the Ambassaduer TGC models, will have the AR post already mounted.

Part: 25687 for the lefty
Part: 25897 for the righty
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: day0ne on February 08, 2014, 05:36:24 AM
Quote from: Keta on January 28, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
Before Ken made the post in the link above I would use older C3 plates and do the same thing but used plates were hard to find and new ones $$.

Same here
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: alantani on February 08, 2014, 07:18:22 PM
i like corrosion x for IAR bearings.  i've always been afraid that TSI 301/321 would be too slippery. 
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Magilla on February 09, 2014, 04:18:04 AM
I tried TSI321 on the IAR bearing of a spinning reel I recently serviced and it did indeed slip. I had to flush it with a solvent to get it to work and then just added a drop of machine oil to prevent corrosion. It works fine now.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: Ken_D on February 09, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
Quote from: Killerbug on February 08, 2014, 04:50:28 AM
Grease in IAR bearings will cause them to slip, especially under cold conditions.

TIP: the baseplate used for the Ambassaduer TGC models, will have the AR post already mounted.

Part: 25687 for the lefty
Part: 25897 for the righty

I suspect these are the best price available.. Abu's brake pates are scattered over the price map, and these run about 19.00 USD plus the usual adds of stamps, tax, yada.
Title: Re: IAR oil or grease???!?!?!?
Post by: alantani on February 09, 2014, 07:39:56 PM
you can get the IAR bearing alone from bocabearings.com.  i do not think that dawn carries them.