Reel Repair by Alan Tani

Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Penn Senator Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on December 04, 2013, 05:10:53 AM

Title: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 04, 2013, 05:10:53 AM
I have never seen a custom side plate like this. Its on a 16/0. Too Bad it doesn't say Shark Hunter!
Something else pretty weird. A 10/0 polished up by a Jewelry store? With No Chrome, I don't think it would stand up too well. Got Milk? :D
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Tightlines667 on December 04, 2013, 05:42:57 AM
Man..those are sum peerty reels there!  Are you sure the one is polished bronze, not anodized gold? 
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on December 04, 2013, 06:04:21 AM
Yea, Its Brass.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Senator-10-0-116L-/251395446669?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a8856178d
Meticulously polished until all the chrome was gone! :'(
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: BMITCH on December 04, 2013, 10:43:08 AM
WOW :o :o
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Ron Jones on December 04, 2013, 06:26:37 PM
Talk about prep work!
If I was in the market I would get that and have it shipped to an Industrial Hard Chromer. Prep is the biggest part of the job.
Ron
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Robert Janssen on December 04, 2013, 08:56:17 PM
Yes, I was just about to say, the hue and lustre are reminiscent of gold plating.

If not, then after all that prep work, it might be worth considering.

Here is a gold-plated one for comparison:

(edit: Holy smokes that came out big! Sorry; not my pic- it came that way.)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Gold-Plated-Penn-Peerless-No-9-Bait-Cast-Fishing-Reel-w-box-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/WCsAAOxypNtSl9xb/$_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: alantani on December 06, 2013, 04:44:29 AM
reminds me of scrimshaw.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 13, 2015, 10:27:16 PM
QuoteI have never seen a custom side plate like this. Its on a 16/0. Too Bad it doesn't say Shark Hunter!

Hello Daron,

Well, you picked a very interesting 16/O with some Blue / Blood American Heritage. This 16/O was presented to someone in a very wealthy American Family with over 150 years of American wealth, possibly more. By its age I would suspect it was a special gift in the 1960's to Mr. Fredrick Hanes Lassiter:

                                """                   (Charles Babcock, Stockbroker, Dies. New York Times, Dec. 15, 1967.) His daughter, Barbara Frances Babcock, married Frederic Hanes Lassiter, a Yale graduate. His father was chairman of the Federal Reserve Board of Richmond, Va., and of the Lassiter Corporation in Charlotte, N.C., founded by the bridegroom and his brother, John Hanes Lassiter. His grandfather, John Wesley Hanes of Winston-Salem, founded a tobacco company that was merged into R.J. Reynolds, as well as the Hanes Hosiery Mills, Washington Mills, and the Wachovia Bank and Trust Company. (Miss Babcock, 1954 Debutante, To Wed in May. New York Times, Mar. 18, 1962; Barbara Frances Babcock Is Married. New York Times, May 6, 1962.)            """"

               I was the buyer of this reel and I still own it. I have sold a few other 16.O's but I find this one hard to part with because I know there will never be another. The tail plate is a piece of engraved polished aluminum with a milled edge in order to fit the the trim rings back onto the reel.

                This reel has a had a very limited,if any real use. I was not able to remove the aluminum plate from the tail plate without creating damage, so I did not try too hard. The clicker button was probably reattached to the tail plate by the people that created the tail plate. I do not believe Penn would have attached the clicker button back to the tailplate with a mild steel round head common slotted screw.

               Once I removed the line from the spool, the cross bars and stand looked like they had corrosion but it was actually just sticky dust and dirt.

              They actually cleaned up so nice that I figured the reel could not have been too used. I think it was just stored somewhere.

             This 16/O was probably sold at an estate sale and wound up on EBay when you and I saw it.

             After all was done, it actually turned out pretty nice.

I removed about a quarter mile of heavy Dacron line and I have it on a separate spool. The line is good and anyone that wants it is welcome to it. I will never put it back on the spool.


It all looks good and sure is different than your run of the mill Jaws reel.

By the way, the engraved name on the boat, Barhala, in the tail plate scene was the name of the Sport Fisherman owned by the family.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 13, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
Wow Mike! Small world we live in! ;)
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Tightlines667 on January 13, 2015, 11:57:06 PM
Yet another beautiful, one-of-a-kind treasure.
Small world indeed!
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Maxed Out on January 14, 2015, 06:51:03 PM
      Very nice showpiece Mike.....that reel has found a good home and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 14, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
QuoteWow Mike! Small world we live in! Wink

I was surprised to see this reel noticed here. Actually I did not see it, Superhook saw it and let me know about it. Many times Ray is my eyes and ears on the internet. That is because my eyes and ears do not work as well as they used to....................  ???
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on January 14, 2015, 08:37:33 PM
I used to troll wherever I could Mike looking for Senators. I am finally getting better. I had it Bad! ;D
I still do, just not near as often. I've toned it down. glad you ended up with that reel.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on January 14, 2015, 09:10:42 PM
               Actually, this 16/O is a modern reel for me. I know that is weird because this reel is over 50 years old. Most of the fishing I do does not require Senators. Big game to me is Striped Bass or Bluefish, so  Jigmaster's, a Long Beach or Squidder's are perfect for me. I am more likely to go light than heavy. I caught a 38 inch Striped Bass once on a very light rod using a Penn 10 level wind reel.

               I love casting to bluefish with my spinning tackle using braid. They don't break off and drag you all over. Occasionally they do break a rod, I guess something has give.

               But, when it comes to trolling online for vintage big game tackle for resale, rebuilding, studying the history of or collecting, then I am happy.
           
               I see big game fisherman as modern day adventurers. You battle the fish, the waters, the weather, the costs and whatever else gets in the way of landing a trophy fish that is very capable of doing heavy damage to you if you let your guard down for one moment. So, as all those thoughts start stirring around in my head, I go buy a big game reel I know nothing about and then I learn all the history I can about it.

               I do have one personal rule. My hobby supports my hobby. I could not do it any other way. I do not collect fishing reels to make money, but I have to break even in order to do it. That can be a challenge sometimes.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Decker on September 12, 2017, 02:26:56 PM
That is a beautiful sideplate!  I wonder what was the etching technique used?   If some machine shop genius on this site could figure out how to do that, it would open a whole other dimension for customization. 
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: 1badf350 on September 13, 2017, 01:05:29 PM
Mike can you repost the pics that were on photobucket? I never got to see them
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 14, 2017, 05:49:36 AM
QuoteMike can you repost the pics that were on photobucket? I never got to see them

I am at a loss here. Losing Photobucket put me in a giant hole. I am starting over at ORCA, there I can upload my photos directly into a thread.

I am very busy and absolutely hate doing things over, so even on the ORCA website I am not going back and fixing my old posts, I know I have thousands of pictures there that are now unsupported and would never dedicate the time to that.

Here, I do not know how to post photos anymore. I am not going to go to another website like Photobucket, only to be wiped out again. I have been using Photobucket for many years, I feel they really backstabbed anyone that was using their service. If would have told me that anything I do in the future would no longer be free, I would have understood that; but, to hold all my old stuff hostage unless I pay, that rubbed me the wrong way.

If there was a way that I could directly up load photos here, I would; but, I do not believe that is possible here.

Too Bad....................<:O(
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: mo65 on September 14, 2017, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: 1badf350 on September 13, 2017, 01:05:29 PM
Mike can you repost the pics that were on photobucket? I never got to see them

  Hey fellas...you need to check out this extension that ChiliRelleno discovered. You can download this and it will bypass the photobucket ransom, making pics visible again, that is if the images haven't been deleted there. Many folks jumped the gun and deleted their photobucket hosted pics.

   https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fix-embedded-photobucket/cdngpnpgjighldbibdgpddaieidknhlf

Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 14, 2017, 05:49:36 AM
If there was a way that I could directly up load photos here, I would; but, I do not believe that is possible here.

  You can upload photos directly here Mike. When posting...just click on the "additional options" heading...the rest is pretty self explanatory.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: foakes on September 14, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Did that on all of mine -- straightened out 2427 pics in about 30 seconds.

I run firefox.

However, this works fine on my PC desktop --

On my ipad -- even though Firefox is installed -- the Apple IOS system will not let this happen because there are built in limitations brought to you by...yours truly -- Apple.

So all of my pics are now visible from before -- but not from an Apple product such as an ipad or iphone.

Good enough for me, for now.

I have been using Alan's site for hosting for nearly 2 years now -- and there is plenty of capacity.

However, with the exponential growth of our site, the threat of Go-Daddy changing policy, the unstable nature of other photo sharing platforms, and the unsureness of the future -- I personally believe that we should be looking to our stand alone server system to have control over our pics, content, and destiny.

I think now is the time to explore options --

Just my opinions...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Tightlines667 on September 14, 2017, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: foakes on September 14, 2017, 05:14:22 PM
Did that on all of mine -- straightened out 2427 pics in about 30 seconds.

I run firefox.

However, this works fine on my PC desktop --

On my ipad -- even though Firefox is installed -- the Apple IOS system will not let this happen because there are built in limitations brought to you by...yours truly -- Apple.

So all of my pics are now visible from before -- but not from an Apple product such as an ipad or iphone.

Good enough for me, for now.

I have been using Alan's site for hosting for nearly 2 years now -- and there is plenty of capacity.

However, with the exponential growth of our site, the threat of Go-Daddy changing policy, the unstable nature of other photo sharing platforms, and the unsureness of the future -- I personally believe that we should be looking to our stand alone server system to have control over our pics, content, and destiny.

I think now is the time to explore options --

Just my opinions...

Best,

Fred


Sweet!

Guess, I should give this a go at dome point.  I was waiting for a workable solution, sounds like we've got one.

The ORCA site has one of the best photo sharing features setup I have seen.  Unfortunately, they are suffering from the same problem we are with regards to photobucket.  Actually, it is many orders of magnitude greater, given the many older posts with members that are no longer available to fix past postings. 

John
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: oc1 on September 14, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
Just get your own web site Fred. You have to pay a about ten bucks annually for a domain name (www.fredstuff.com) and a monthly fee for a hosting service.  The hosting service can be almost free up to whatever you want to pay for bells and whistles.  All your posted photos would link to your own domain name (www.fredstuff.com/obscurereel190.jpg) .  That link will still work even if you change hosting services, as long as the domain name is renewed annually.  You have complete control of your content.  You can also use your web site for sales or philanthropy or cats or firewood or whatever else you want.  No experience required and the software will lead you through the process.
-steve
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 15, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
QuoteMike can you repost the pics that were on photobucket? I never got to see them


   Hey fellas...you need to check out this extension that ChiliRelleno discovered. You can download this and it will bypass the photobucket ransom, making pics visible again, that is if the images haven't been deleted there. Many folks jumped the gun and deleted their photobucket hosted pics.

How do I find that extension?
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: mo65 on September 15, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on September 15, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
How do I find that extension?


   Oh good grief!! I just noticed I forgot to put the link to the extension in my post! :-[ Sorry Mike, glad you asked though, here's the link:
                                    https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fix-embedded-photobucket/cdngpnpgjighldbibdgpddaieidknhlf
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Penn Chronology on September 15, 2017, 07:11:02 PM
QuoteOh good grief!! I just noticed I forgot to put the link to the extension in my post!

:D
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: wailua boy on September 16, 2017, 01:19:01 AM
Is there a disadvantage to just uploading a jpeg directly without a hosting site?
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 16, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
That is usually what I do.
It is safe that way.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Decker on September 20, 2017, 04:24:05 PM
Can someone give me some shopping pointers on a 113H 4/0?   I would like to find a donor reel to use with a tiburon or accurate YTS (yellowtail special, narrow) frame and spool.   I understand that some of these reels came with steel gears, but I would be upgrading the gears to a 4:1 ratio (most likely Pro Challenger).   Are there some reels that come with steel yoke or bridge or sleeve that would work with the tiburon YTS frame? 

Bottom line: what is the best donor reel for this project?   Thanks.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Shark Hunter on September 21, 2017, 12:00:08 AM
The older dark maroon plates usually have all the goods.
$50 is a fair price for them.
Once you go Tank. the upgrades are quite expensive.
Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Decker on November 15, 2017, 08:32:47 PM
I had bought a 113h on ebay months ago.  It came with stock brass gears.  The right-side plate is black and says "113-H."  I hadn't noticed that the left side plate was a different color, dark red.  Now when I am look at 113H's, I notice others like this, black on the right, dark red on the left.   So, my "conspiracy theory" is that the sellers know that there are better gears in the dark red ones, and so are swapping them out with black plates... Does that hold any water? 

Here is another that I spotted:

Title: Re: Senators on Ebay
Post by: Army_of_One on November 15, 2017, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: Decker on November 15, 2017, 08:32:47 PM
I had bought a 113h on ebay months ago.  It came with stock brass gears.  The right-side plate is black and says "113-H."  I hadn't noticed that the left side plate was a different color, dark red.  Now when I am look at 113H's, I notice others like this, black on the right, dark red on the left.   So, my "conspiracy theory" is that the sellers know that there are better gears in the dark red ones, and so are swapping them out with black plates... Does that hold any water? 

Here is another that I spotted:


Those both look dark maroon to me.  I have had two mismatched plates, on two different reels that swapped perfectly.