Have a heddon reel 230 spinning very go shape some tarnish on handle but works good and one interested in it
Whatcha asking for it?
I might be interested but give FlipFlop first dibs since he asked first. Pictures will help.
They are a medium size reel, 12.5 oz and hold 200 yds 10 lb. mono.
Thanks for being a gentleman, Festus. I will make sure to return the favor in later acquisition threads. I just cleaned up my Heddon 270r today. Bronze gears and the spool cam is this incredible copper color. I've never seen one like it. You probably know alot more about these reels than I do, so any info is really welcome, sir.
Distinctive looking old Heddon; put me in 3d place if the other gents change their minds,
Frank
Festus, I'm stepping out of the running. You're on deck, sir. Spent this week's reel budget on a Columbian No. 62 that I scored last night. Worm-drive medium size reel. Old british ad quotes 370 yds of 4 lb. I figure some 8 lb should fit on there nicely.
Quote from: FlipFlopRepairShoppe on April 18, 2019, 07:25:12 AM
Festus, I'm stepping out of the running. You're on deck, sir. Spent this week's reel budget on a Columbian No. 62 that I scored last night. Worm-drive medium size reel. Old british ad quotes 370 yds of 4 lb. I figure some 8 lb should fit on there nicely.
Those Columbians resemble the Heddon and Roddy reels, might be the same reel in disguise. Good buy.
When I saw this picture of the gear setup on the Columbian 62, I snatched her up. Worm drive ala DAM, and Penn. Never seen the inside of an Alcedo, which someone said this is supposed to be a clone of, but I don't know what model.
Not my reel in that pic, mine is a later grey model, but am hoping she has the same gear quality. I'll pop her open and take pics when I've got her in.
Not an Alcedo clone because of the push button spool. It's more of a Cargem offshoot. It's lite sized, sort of in between the Cargem 33 & 44.
They're decent quality, all things considered, but be careful. Some of those older late '50s/early '60s Japanese copies had: ???
Loose Balls! :o ;D
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There's a little discussion about them over here. (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22628.msg275760#msg275760) ......and .......Alcedo discussion over here (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22628.msg275789#msg275789) .....and.....here. (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=22628.msg276033#msg276033)
Quote from: Midway Tommy on April 18, 2019, 06:36:46 PM
They're decent quality, all things considered, but be careful. Some of those older late '50s/early '60s Japanese copies had: ???
Loose Balls! :o ;D
Loose balls? ??? :o ::) Might need to give it a good soak in some immodium or lomotil dissolved in water. Whoops, no, that's for loose bowels. ::) ::) ::)
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I give you a lot of credit Tommy, I hate to service those.
Sal
Midway, you're a ******* rockstar. I'm going to read those posts tonight. Hey, if this reel turns out to be a dog then I'm out about $16 and can go chase down another one. I just want her for annoying redfish in the bay.
Quote from: FlipFlopRepairShoppe on April 18, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Midway, you're a ******* rockstar. I'm going to read those posts tonight. Hey, if this reel turns out to be a dog then I'm out about $16 and can go chase down another one. I just want her for annoying redfish in the bay.
on the other hand, if you fall in love w/ the Columbian, I happen to have the smaller 61 L/UL (MIB w/ schematic) that I could part with (and it's actually "found", rather than "somewhere", unlike the 83 gear you want)
...keep shaping your collection w/ stuff I have / can complete (hopefully), LOL
Quote from: FlipFlopRepairShoppe on April 18, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
Hey, if this reel turns out to be a dog then I'm out about $16 and can go chase down another one. I just want her for annoying redfish in the bay.
As long as there are no damaged or broken parts you won't be disappointed. They were very good quality reels in their day. Their biggest downfall usually was the chrome plating and/or sometimes paint adhesion.
Phil, I'm always on the hunt for the older cool ones, so would love to talk to you about the old reel sometime. I'm not going to lead you on, my reel budget is small, so if she's a super collectable, she's out of my league.
Midway, thanks for allaying my fears. I know it seems counter-intuitive but the older reels I buy that I plan to fish, I actually buy because the construction is better than alot of the newer stuff. Stellas and Saltigas are out of my budget, but I can rummage around and find some tough as nails older stuff for a fraction of what the new gen stuff goes for. Some of it I collect just for the cool factor, but I pride myself on always rocking vintage gear. Case in point, my free diving masks are all old Dacors. I've been using some of them for ten years and they're still going strong.
Midway, I also read those posts on how that Alcedo was put together. I hope this Columbian doesn't have that ball bearing setup. That would be a super pain to take down and reassembled. If she does, got any tips for servicing her without completely disassembling the bearing structure, like you did?
I almost bet it has sandwiched ball bearings like the Red Ram & Spin Mitey. I'm pretty sure they were all early Olympic made reels. Those were a little easier to take apart and put back together than the Alcedo 2CS. They really need to be totally taken down and cleaned if you want a complete service, just be careful not to lose any balls. Worst case scenario, you can purchase bearing balls at a lot of hardware stores or Menards in the same sizes they used for those bearings.
Oh boy, this thing is gonna get opened inside of a shoe box. I will definitely try not to lose my balls. ;D Sorry, couldn't help myself.
I'm going to be taking pictures of everything as I take it apart, and am going to be building a jig to hold the reel upside down to reassemble that ball bearing assembly. I foresee alot of scrubbing of small parts in a tupperware container of rubbing alcohol.
Midway, I'm going to be using your pictorials of those reels to guide me. Got any tips?
Go slow & take lots of pics along the way. They're really not that complicated. Maybe you'll be lucky and it will have an encased ball bearing. You should be able to tell as soon as you remove the sideplate and any grease at the top of the pinion worm gear.
Thank you, sir. Should be here Tuesday, so should be able to get her torn down that day or the next. It's funny, her shipping was almost double her cost, LOL. A complete steal for a worm-drive bronze geared reel. If a redfish can take this reel apart, then I'll be astounded.
schematic seems kinda' generic (one for all sizes & variations)
but it's a surprisingly clear photo -- not, fuzzy drawing
I predict loose balls, but fewer of them & only on top (between body & rotor)
no balls in the gear-box; doubt you'll need a special jig
...certainly, not 2 X 16, top & bottom
[Tom, did you intentionally pick the scariest loose-ball example, so people know your pain? ;)]
Quote from: philaroman on April 20, 2019, 10:44:35 AM
schematic seems kinda' generic (one for all sizes & variations)
but it's a surprisingly clear photo -- not, fuzzy drawing
I predict loose balls, but fewer of them & only on top (between body & rotor)
no balls in the gear-box; doubt you'll need a special jig
...certainly, not 2 X 16, top & bottom
[Tom, did you intentionally pick the scariest loose-ball example, so people know your pain? ;)]
Phil,
The Spin Mitey & Red Ram only had balls at the top, rotor body connection, but they both had two sets. The RR had 30 (15 each side) & the SM had 26 (13 each side). Interestingly, neither example had a rear main shaft support, the main shaft free floated.
BTW, I have a few Italian made Ted Williams and Pescador examples that have ball bearings who's make up is a single washer with 5, 6 or 8 holes in them as the retainer with free floating balls in the holes sandwiched between two flat surfaces. ??? Those are kind of scary when you're not expecting them and everything just falls out onto the bench & the floor/carpet! :o A few choice words come out about that time. ;)
in the other thread, you mentioned it was same as Airex 365 -- was that Italian[based]?
I think there's a later Orvis like the grey/blue Columbian
(Orvis liked Italian designs & OEMs, correct?)Quote from: Midway Tommy on April 20, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
...bearings who's make up is a single washer with 5, 6 or 8 holes in them as the retainer with free floating balls in the holes sandwiched between two flat surfaces...
CAVEAT, FlipFlop !!! ...that's EXACTLY IT in the Columbian "photographic" schematic
albeit, the actual balls are not shown ??? ...wouldn't sit still, for the photo? ...censorship :o
Quote from: philaroman on April 20, 2019, 07:22:14 PM
in the other thread, you mentioned it was same as Airex 365 -- was that Italian[based]?
I think there's a later Orvis like the grey/blue Columbian (Orvis liked Italian designs & OEMs, correct?)
No, they're Japanese made. Orvis originally sold a few different makers' reels. One, the Zangi Pelican 100, in 1954 evolved into the Orvis 100. All of Orvis' mid '50s through late '70s reels were made by either Zangi or Coptes of Italy. The '80s & after Orvis rear drag examples all came out of Asia.