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Spinning Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => General Spinning Reel Questions => Topic started by: Shark Hunter on October 22, 2014, 11:07:49 AM

Title: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 22, 2014, 11:07:49 AM
How does a reel with this much sand in it still function and look like new on the outside?
It would only turn about a half a crank. I was hoping to just find it dried out on the inside.
Crap! Its a Sand Trap! >:( How did all this get in there?
I couldn't hear the dogs clicking, but the anti reverse worked. They are froze up.
Don't judge a book by its cover. ::)

Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Doug on October 22, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
Wow   Wait till you try to pull the bearings I hope you have a good puller  Doug
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: cwillis85 on October 22, 2014, 12:16:16 PM
That looks like a friend gave someone bad advice, "Why use grease when nature give us so much natural lubricants,  just go pack the reel with sand and salt water." Sorry someone pull one over on you, good time to find a brass main and pinon I guess.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: handi2 on October 22, 2014, 02:25:19 PM
You are lucky the screws came out. I see them like that a few times a year. Why do anything till it quits working???
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: foakes on October 22, 2014, 05:18:13 PM
When Daron is done with this reel -- it will function very well.

That is these old Penn reels, for you...

Try that sand trick with a graphite (marketing description for plastic) reel, and cheap gears -- and you will be fortunate to salvage the crank, and just throw the rest in the trash bin.

Looking forward to seeing the finished product.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 22, 2014, 08:08:22 PM
The reel came yesterday and I couldn't wait to get home from work and open it up. Boy, was I disappointed. I told the seller to credit me $25 and we would call it even. I can save her.
Keith, I use a small impact driver to remove stubborn screws. A regular screwdriver wasn't going to work here. I don't think it was saltwater. The main bearing came right off the gear. I think its creek silt.
The hard part is going to be getting all the grit out. ::)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: bluefish69 on October 22, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
So Daron is going to take of Golf now. Watch out for Sand Traps.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: wallacewt on October 22, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
sh,try the vinegar trick for an hour or two
to get you started ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 22, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
Quote from: bluefish69 on October 22, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
So Daron is going to take of Golf now. Watch out for Sand Traps.
No Golf Mike. I Despise it!
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: the_reel_doc on October 22, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
Looks like someone was building sand castles at the beach and forgot their shovel and that reel was ALL they had to dig with. I see a few like that from time to time. Even had some that were worst if you can believe that!
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: fsrmn on October 23, 2014, 12:05:04 AM
Last time I had something like that I had to use a bead blaster to remove the sand. It had bonded with rust and corrosion to the metal.

Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: handi2 on October 23, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
If you need any parts let me know. I seen to have an over stock of these parts.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 23, 2014, 12:54:39 AM
I sent you a pm Keith.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 26, 2014, 05:43:44 AM
I finally got time to go through this Sand trap. The bearings took a little persuasion with a Hammer, but I got them out, removed the shields, re oiled and replaced.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4411/36559036132_25c0854774_b.jpg)
I used WD-40, simple green and some wire brushing with the dremel to bring this reel back to working condition.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4394/36728838835_90454e8717_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/35894151384_1067e94d80_b.jpg)
Everything greased. Ready to wrap this up.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/36333076100_aea8e5c049_b.jpg)
Down to the pivot, I got this. No parts needed. I Prevail!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4353/36559099622_5bc93155ea_b.jpg)
Piece of Cake. The Sand Trap Lives Again! ;D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4360/36559111772_1564b942bb_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: wallacewt on October 26, 2014, 06:15:24 AM
your a marvel MR SHEEN ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: foakes on October 26, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
Hey Daron --

Those are some of the best before and after pictures I have ever seen.

Like a Phoenix rising from the ashes ---

Great work!

What parts did you replace?

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Tightlines667 on October 26, 2014, 06:21:21 AM
I remember saving one of my dad's reels (an older SS) from a similar plight when I was 11 years old...kinda light the reel repair flame in me.  These reels are noteworthy for their ability to rise from the dead.  Good job Daron!  That one looked rough.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Dominick on October 26, 2014, 06:38:04 AM
Daron, you da man... Dominick
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Alto Mare on October 26, 2014, 10:11:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if that reel in its condition would have still been able to catch fish, those are sand mills.
Very nice job cleaning it up, I didn't think it would have came out as it did. ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Newell Nut on October 26, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Nice sand save for a par there Daron. Good work.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Cone on October 26, 2014, 01:43:51 PM
The reel turned out great. Daron! I couldn't have done any better. BTW The only use I've ever found for a golf ball is as a target at the range!
Bob
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: DaBigOno on October 26, 2014, 04:53:44 PM
Nice work Shark!
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 26, 2014, 05:58:07 PM
Quote from: foakes on October 26, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
Hey Daron --

Those are some of the best before and after pictures I have ever seen.

Like a Phoenix rising from the ashes ---

Great work!

What parts did you replace?

Best,

Fred
None ;D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: foakes on October 26, 2014, 06:56:40 PM
Daron --

Your before and after pictures would have made a powerful advertisement for Penn reels -- of course that would be in the past -- not with the new graphite (technical word for plastic) reels with cheaper innards.

Same thing goes for "hole in the wall" (Dave's) Penn Squidder restoration.

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: johndtuttle on October 27, 2014, 12:16:16 AM
Strong work!  ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: MFB on October 27, 2014, 02:18:36 AM
Nice work Sharky.

Rgds

Mark

Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 27, 2014, 08:32:11 AM
Thanks Everyone for the positive comments. ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Rancanfish on October 29, 2014, 02:46:36 PM
I know this is a little late but, that is incredible!   I am a big fan of small reels and to see that thing back from what is basically the dead, wow.

I don't have a single SS but this sure increases my appreciation for them.  Along with those tiny Dam Quicks of Foakes.

Almost makes me want to pick one up just to play with.  Ah, I can't though until I make some room in the garage. 

Much respect Shark Hunter. 
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Steve-O on October 29, 2014, 02:57:18 PM
Nice recovery job on the Penn Spinner.

hmmmmmm.....Budweiser and Glucosamine?.......which one do you find is the better joint conditioner? I'm using Osteo Bioflex for my knees. As I recall from many years ago the Bud made them feel good but kinda wobbly at times. :o ;D :D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 29, 2014, 04:46:20 PM
The Glucosamine when I'm at work, The Bud when I'm not. ;D
I pulled something in my shoulder last summer. The Glucosamine really helped. I haven't taken it in about 6 months.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Aiala on October 29, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
Congrats and applause for the truly amazing restoration, Mr. Shark! You are a reel artisan par excellence. Furthermore, your appreciation for classic Penn SS spinners (which I share, BTW) indicates a level of discernment bordering on genius.  ;D

Bravo!
~A~
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on October 29, 2014, 09:55:10 PM
Thank you Aiala.  ;D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on October 30, 2014, 12:04:50 PM
Lovely job Daron :)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: fsrmn on October 31, 2014, 01:03:55 AM
 There is something personally satisfying about taking an old damaged reel and making it functional again. Doing it without replacing parts makes it even more so. Good job  :)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 01, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
Thanks,
I already have another on the way. ;) I'm hoping it has Brass gears. ::)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: FatTuna on November 05, 2014, 06:40:40 AM
Maybe it was underwater and someone found it washed up on the beach. I can't imagine how that amount of sand could get in there.

You do some amazing work Shark.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 05, 2014, 06:51:53 AM
Only from what I have learned Here. I didn't do it alone. ;)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 22, 2014, 01:03:24 AM
I have two more upgrades for the sand trap. A Set of Brass Gears from my Buddy Larry and a power handle all the way from England from my Main Man, Mike! ;D
Today was my 24th wedding anniversary. It snuck up on me. After work, I showed up with roses, a card and of course the Chocolates. My wife said "they are so pretty, let me take a picture." I said. let me put a reel in front of it first. :D
Then I took my picture. ;) Forgive my clutter. I have to migrate my stuff from the table for the big feast coming up! I married a good woman! ;D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: alantani on November 22, 2014, 03:59:48 AM
i'm sure your wife loved the reel!  ;D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Jerseymic on November 22, 2014, 07:12:38 AM
Daron you are a brave man.

Jan and I had our 24th back in September, I didn't dare put the 9/0 I had just acquired on the table with her flowers :-X
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 23, 2014, 01:04:38 AM
Ok,
The Brave Man is getting this done. ;D
The pinion gear and bearing was a little tough to get out, but I did it.
This is the difference between the alloy main gear and pinion on the left and the brass one on the right.
I made sure the mesh was Ok with the new gears. I only want to do this once.
I put the crosswind in and the handle. Its a Go! ;D
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Aiala on November 23, 2014, 02:05:06 AM
Look at that beautiful reel! What an incredible transformation.

Simply extraordinary, Mr. Shark. <Shaking head in wonder> Truly!  :o

~A~
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Jerseymic on November 23, 2014, 08:01:16 AM
Well done Daron, looks stunning.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: DaBigOno on November 23, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
Good work Shark!


I reely like the choice of handle, a perfect match...
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Doug on November 23, 2014, 02:24:30 PM
Really nice job Daron! How hard was it to remove the bearings , aside from the cleanup I thought that would be the most difficult part without doing damage to the housing  Doug 
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Newell Nut on November 23, 2014, 03:40:01 PM
Outstanding job there Daron. That handle is really cool looking and I know where that one came from. Pretty work buddy.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on November 23, 2014, 04:06:25 PM
Quote from: Doug on November 23, 2014, 02:24:30 PM
Really nice job Daron! How hard was it to remove the bearings , aside from the cleanup I thought that would be the most difficult part without doing damage to the housing  Doug  
The main gear bearings weren't that tough Doug. I just supported the case with pieces of wood and found a correct size metal sleeve and knocked them out. The pinion bearing proved to be tougher.
I don't have a puller small enough for this, so I just thought for a minute. I have a steering wheel puller that might have worked, but I was afraid of cracking the case. I used a crescent wrench on the pinion. I put the nut on the end of the pinion and slid the jaws under it. Turned the reel over and hit the crescent with a hammer. It took a couple good whacks, and I alternated sides. That baby was in there! But If anything broke, it would have been the pinion I was taking out or the nut attached to it. I knew if I tried to push it out from the inside, I would have broke the support.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Doug on November 23, 2014, 06:21:01 PM
Very clever solution might have to try that one myself if I need to   Doug
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 03, 2016, 05:25:41 AM
I get bored sometimes and look through old posts. Sometimes it is more Gratifying and It keeps me off Ebay, Buying more.
Sand Trap Before.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4332/36559340292_99e2e1d871_b.jpg)
Sand Trap after. ;)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4385/35919612523_6b9881c596_b.jpg)
I can't wait to get back to the Coast.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4431/36682608136_3e205013b0_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 03, 2016, 05:37:53 AM
There is alot of great info buried in the older posts here.  I like to peruse some of them periodically. 

Daron,
Did you hear about that monster Hammerhead from the sand?
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: mo65 on August 03, 2016, 05:45:01 AM
Wow Daron...this makes me want to go find a complete piece of crap and rebuild it. I'm glad you resurfaced this thread...I've been looking through the archives but hadn't seen this one. Great work!  8)
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Shark Hunter on August 03, 2016, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on August 03, 2016, 05:37:53 AM
There is alot of great info buried in the older posts here.  I like to peruse some of them periodically. 

Daron,
Did you hear about that monster Hammerhead from the sand?
This one?
Great to Hear it swam away.
http://www.kionrightnow.com/news/nation-world/3-anglers-catch-13foot-hammerhead-shark/41029164
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Tightlines667 on August 03, 2016, 08:14:45 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on August 03, 2016, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on August 03, 2016, 05:37:53 AM
There is alot of great info buried in the older posts here.  I like to peruse some of them periodically. 

Daron,
Did you hear about that monster Hammerhead from the sand?
This one?
Great to Hear it swam away.
http://www.kionrightnow.com/news/nation-world/3-anglers-catch-13foot-hammerhead-shark/41029164

That's the one. 

Getting good release is particularly valuable to the population on these big females.  The GOM (and Atlantic in general) Hammerheads are doing much better (moving towards recovery) then their Pacific counterparts.
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: swill88 on August 03, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
How long will it take for the saltwater to eat away the hook?

steve
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: Dominick on August 04, 2016, 12:28:50 AM
Daron I just know you had fun bringing that sucker back from an early grave.  We live for those challenges.  Good job.  Dominick
Title: Re: Sand Trap
Post by: reelrepair123 on August 04, 2016, 02:44:50 AM
great job like always daron nice,   way to go.   harryk