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Conventional and Bait Casting Reel Rebuild Tutorials and Questions => Accurate Tutorials and Questions => Topic started by: Penn Chronology on March 25, 2015, 07:28:15 PM

Title: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 25, 2015, 07:28:15 PM
Well, I guess this conversion has been done many times here but I have questions. I always have questions, that is why my wife considers me a pain but I do not care. I need answers, so I have to ask questions.

This build is happening because of a friend of mine. He wanted to build a Squidder 146 with a solid frame (Accurate or Tiburon) to use for Blackfishing aka Tautog. I looked through my stuff and found an old Tiburon box in my junk and it is the right frame, so I can help out my friend but me being me, the box is heavier than it should be, so I know I put more stuff in here years ago and just forgot about it.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20%20500--custom%20internals%20022%20676%20x%20507_zps14qdlf2o.jpg)
So I take all my stuff out of the box and am left with the frame and papers ready to sell;
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But,,,,, I am also left with a bunch of good stuff that I stored away years ago.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20%20500--custom%20internals%20007%20676%20x%20507_zps4lh1nqhf.jpg)

So I first say to myself, ""Self, why did you put all this away?'''
                  The first thing I notice is the side plates are for a Jigmaster and the frame is a Squidder, so I know they do not belong together. Then I look at the inside of the plates and notice something missing.
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Years ago this missing bearing was a problem to me. I was doing many reels and when parts were gone, I just stored the stuff away for later consideration. Well, now that I am a member of this "Alan Tani Research and Development Center", the time for "Later Considerations" has arrived. I start searching around the forum and I find threads that are talking about exactly what I need and people that can sell me the exact part just as if it is "Business as Usual"!! So, I PM Bryan, and what do you know??? He has exactly what I need, so now, after a thorough hosing by the USPS ( I honestly believe the inmates are running the asylum in that organization), Bryan and I were able to make a deal and my side plate is useful again.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20%20500--custom%20internals%20011%20676%20x%20507_zpsvg0fbc3l.jpg)
At this point I have to review what I have and what I need. I have used but good Accurate side plates, I have an old Newell 5 to 1 Stainless Steel gear kit, left over from the days when I used to buy and sell these things. This is the last one I have and it is NOS, so I have not decided whether I want to use it yet. I also have an old Jigmaster built into a Penn 99 size using Newell bars and stand, sitting on the shelf with the same kit installed in it. I have never used the shelfie, so the kit in that reel is also new. I may take that kit from that reel and save the one that is still in the package for a "Later Consideration"................ :) I also saved a standard size Jigmaster 500 Newell spool from the old days and an old Accurate counter weight handle that is a great old piece.
             My dilemma is I do not have a Accurate or Tiburon frame for my old parts. This sends me off on a EBay quest and in no time I come up with a Jigmaster 500 with a "NO Name" frame. To make a Long story shorter, I win the frame and reel for $65 in a knock down, drag out auction ;D and now I am on my way.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20%20500--custom%20internals%20001%20676%20x%20507_zps9ap1ung5.jpg)

So, for all of those with enough patience to read all my blabber, here is my first question. Does anyone know who makes this frame??
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Jigmaster%20500%20solid%20frame%20amp%20Newell%205%20to%201%20ger%20kit%20001%20676%20x%20507_zpsniszwwve.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Jigmaster%20500%20solid%20frame%20amp%20Newell%205%20to%201%20ger%20kit%20005%20676%20x%20507_zps4rayhxhq.jpg)

The reel this frame was installed was a perfectly fine running unit, so I just went to my old junk and found what I need to make the reel whole again after I removed the frame.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20%20500--custom%20internals%20006%20676%20x%20507_zpskepftvza.jpg)
This reel will be on EBay next, while I wait for the other stuff that I will use to build my new Jigmaster.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Modern%20Jigmaster%20500---made%20in%20USA%20001%20676%20x%20507_zpsetbdfv2o.jpg)

At this time I have ordered a stainless steel double dog bridge, jack and yoke from Pro Challenger which should arrive soon. Then I will continue this post.

I hope this post will be as much fun to read as it is to build the reel.

Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Bryan Young on March 25, 2015, 07:42:55 PM
That frame looks like an Accurate frame.  The wording often rubbed of on many frames.  So you should have a matched set.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Shark Hunter on March 25, 2015, 07:50:40 PM
Yes, the built in reel foot is telling me Accurate. The White Letters were Laser etched after they realized the Black ones came right off.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Doug on March 25, 2015, 08:07:11 PM
I have one just like it made by accurate   Doug
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 25, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Thanks, Accurate it is and that is a good thing.  :)

Now, my next question. I have found the stainless steel parts I want at Pro Challenger, except, I have not found a stainless steel sleeve yet, which is stopping me from buying a custom star wheel because I do not know what thread I will be dealing with yet (fine or course). Is a stainless steel gear sleeve made for a Jigmaster?
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Bryan Young on March 25, 2015, 08:40:04 PM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on March 25, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Thanks, Accurate it is and that is a good thing.  :)

Now, my next question. I have found the stainless steel parts I want at Pro Challenger, except, I have not found a stainless steel sleeve yet, which is stopping me from buying a custom star wheel because I do not know what thread I will be dealing with yet (fine or course). Is a stainless steel gear sleeve made for a Jigmaster?

Alan has Stainless Steel Gear Sleeves http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13041.0.

I don't know if he has any fine threads left that is cut all the way down like in the picture for Gen2.  I think Jason or Lee ground down the 1/16 lip to match the Gen2 design, and you could have a 6 stack system.

I personally like the finer threads but know others like the course threads because it's stronger.  Personal preference.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 25, 2015, 09:06:42 PM
QuoteAlan has Stainless Steel Gear Sleeves

Thank you Bryan, I sent him an email.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: thorhammer on March 26, 2015, 01:16:06 AM
sure wish i could kick over boxes of forgotten Accuplates in my shop....the only plates i find are paper with pimento cheese spilled on it. nice find and good score on the $65 conversion!
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 26, 2015, 01:40:18 AM
Quotesure wish i could kick over boxes of forgotten Accuplates in my shop....the only plates i find are paper with pimento cheese spilled on it. nice find and good score on the $65 conversion!

About ten years ago my collection almost amounted to 1000 reels. I am down to about 200 now. It got a little crazy for me for awhile, hence the leftover stuff. I used to think I had a lot of stuff until I met two guys that have accumulated over 30,000 reels and they are neatly displayed in a basement in Maryland. Sometimes our hobby can become a Obsessive Compulsion (if we are lucky ;D).
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on March 26, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
Fishing for Tog (Blackfish) is becoming an obsession for me!  My kayak allows me to get up against the rocks and find those buggers.  Reel looks great, and enjoying the build. 

I can't imagine a collection of 30,000 reels, doesn't really compute with my brain...they must not be married, haha.

Yes, many of us read your 'blabber' as you call it. It's full of useful information  ;D
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 26, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
[quoteI can't imagine a collection of 30,000 reels, doesn't really compute with my brain...they must not be married, haha][/quote]

They are married but both had the kind of job that allowed for early retirement. There is a story connected with their obsession. They were involved in a bit of underwater work on one of the USA's famous rivers and recovered much fishing tackle in a form of underwater salvage work. That was the beginning of their collecting which turned into a strong interest. Here are a few pictures, I am sure you will all understand why I do not use their names. Their basement is worth a small fortune in antiques. Here is a portion of their collection:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Collections/Jim%20amp%20Skip%20Collection--1_zps8cpjxxki.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Collections/Jim%20Barrett%20amp%20Skip%20Collection--2_zpsuzjyxoex.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Collections/Jim%20amp%20Skip%20Collection_zpsmhyhyji0.jpg)

Needless to say, I was impressed with the quality, more than the quantity. A phenomenal display, museum like.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on March 26, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
Mike, that is no basement, that's a museum...I'm amazed !!!!! :o

Sal
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on March 26, 2015, 06:00:02 PM
Oh my....simply amazing; looks like many different manufactures as well.   Thanks for sharing these pictures.

Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 27, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
QuoteAlan has Stainless Steel Gear Sleeves http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=13041.0.

I don't know if he has any fine threads left that is cut all the way down like in the picture for Gen2.

Thanks Bryan, Alan had the fine or course threads with the matching star wheel and under gear washer at a very fair price. The sleeve and its matching parts are on their way to me.

Thanks again for the connection.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on March 27, 2015, 02:44:39 PM
QuoteFishing for Tog (Blackfish) is becoming an obsession for me!

Ha, if you can master the Blackfish trick, then you can catch any bottom fish. The Blacks are the rig stealers of all time. I used to cast to them off the jetties. catch 30 a day and loose about 20 sinkers doing it. Those fish also make a great sandwich stuffer.

Glad you guys enjoyed the Basement Museum! Their library of old research material is just as impressive. It is an amazing collection.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: foakes on March 27, 2015, 02:47:44 PM
At first I thought that was Sal's basement -- What is MIKE doing in Sal's basement?

Then I realized there were not enough reels pictured there to be Sal's...

Best,

Fred
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 01, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
Just to place an update here, I have received some of the super / quality internals I am going to use. Thanks to Alan Tani and Pro Challenger I have a double dog bridge, SS sleeve, SS yoke and SS jack. I am on my way.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate--Jigmaster%20500%20internals%20continued%20002%20676%20x%20507_zpsdws8hxds.jpg)
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I have some other things I have to do before I start assembling this reel but it should be soon. I will have to fish with this. It is too interesting to not use and being that the plates are not perfect, it belongs on the water from time to time.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: bluefish69 on April 01, 2015, 04:15:52 PM
Mike

I tried to use that Gear Kit in a JM 500 & had problems. The Pinion was hitting the Bushing when I tried going into Free Spool, it would only move 1/2 way & jam.

Mike
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 01, 2015, 06:16:05 PM
You probably have the 505 gear set.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 01, 2015, 06:46:53 PM
QuoteI tried to use that Gear Kit in a JM 500 & had problems. The Pinion was hitting the Bushing when I tried going into Free Spool, it would only move 1/2 way & jam.

Mike,

Maybe Sal is right. I have had a few of these Newell gear sets, I still have one installed into a Jigmaster 500 and it works very smooth, as a matter of fact, that is the one I am going to use in the Accurate plates to save breaking the last new kit I have. If I have a problem, I will post about it. Thanks for the heads up.

I was wondering if there is any kind of prep I have to do to the stainless steel jack and yoke, or can they be installed just as I received them?
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 01, 2015, 09:12:32 PM
I just greased mine and installed them, great fit.  

I didn't see any spacers in that photo - mine ended up using the 10.5mm but that is with factory side plates and the Tiburon frame so this may be different.  Pro Challenger has the 10.5mm, 11.5 mm and the 12.5 mm (which I found to match stock length).

Looks great!

Edit: You may want to verify the I.D. of the hole on the side plate before ordering the PC spacers, if I remember correctly the Lee Pro plates had smaller holes (Sal had this issue on his Italian themed build) so I am not sure about the Accurate plates, hopefully someone else can chime in.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: bluefish69 on April 01, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
It was marked 500 - all the Newell's & 112 just like the other package that I have. Blue like you pack

Mike
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 01, 2015, 10:24:13 PM
Quote from: coastal_dan on April 01, 2015, 09:12:32 PM
I just greased mine and installed them, great fit.  

I didn't see any spacers in that photo - mine ended up using the 10.5mm but that is with factory side plates and the Tiburon frame so this may be different.  Pro Challenger has the 10.5mm, 11.5 mm and the 12.5 mm (which I found to match stock length).

Looks great!

Edit: You may want to verify the I.D. of the hole on the side plate before ordering the PC spacers, if I remember correctly the Lee Pro plates had smaller holes (Sal had this issue on his Italian themed build) so I am not sure about the Accurate plates, hopefully someone else can chime in.
You bring up a good point Dan, Yes my Lee-Proo didn't work, but not because the plate hole was tight, it was because the hole wasen't centered. Everything else on those plates are drilled to perfection.
The Accurate were also unusual, my plates did just fine, but Jason's were tight. Accurate plates are not the same, I know this, because I had both in my hands.
Quote from: bluefish69 on April 01, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
It was marked 500 - all the Newell's & 112 just like the other package that I have. Blue like you pack

Mike
Mike, check the pinion if it looks the same as the others, sometimes you can't go by just what's marked on the bag.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 01, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
QuoteI didn't see any spacers in that photo - mine ended up using the 10.5mm but that is with factory side plates and the Tiburon frame so this may be different.  Pro Challenger has the 10.5mm, 11.5 mm and the 12.5 mm (which I found to match stock length).

I did not order a spacer from Pro Challenger because there is one in the Newell kit, you can see it if you look close. :) The hole in the Accurate plate is fine, the Newell spacer fits perfectly into the Accurate plate. Since these plates are used, I assume all the machine work is good and drilled openings are centered, otherwise they would not have been used in the first place (of course I could be wrong, according to my wife, I am always wrong :-[)
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: bluefish69 on April 02, 2015, 12:10:42 AM
Sal

I will check tomorrow against one of Alan C's Pinions

Mike
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Dominick on April 02, 2015, 12:15:57 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on March 26, 2015, 05:25:10 PM
Mike, that is no basement, that's a museum...I'm amazed !!!!! :o

Sal
Ditto.  Wow! Dominick
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 02, 2015, 12:31:38 AM
Sweet!  Reading this site from a phone isn't the best idea because of the picture size, haha.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Tightlines667 on April 02, 2015, 12:43:50 AM
Quote from: coastal_dan on April 02, 2015, 12:31:38 AM
Sweet!  Reading this site from a phone isn't the best idea because of the picture size, haha.

I must still have some pretty good eyes then, since I basically only view this site from my phone.  Now my typing and spelling...thats a whole 'nother story.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 14, 2015, 08:28:35 PM
OK, I am ready for the assembly step. I have two speeds, Slow and Stop, I have now moved back to the Slow speed.

I believe I have accumulated all the parts to make this reel a strong and smooth running fishing and I have every intention of fishing with it this Summer.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Penn-Accurate%20Jigmaster%20500--parts%20001%20676%20x%20507_zpsrhwfeqbt.jpg)

Although I feel it is over built for the type of fishing I do, at least I will have a talking piece. Maybe I will try it for Bluefish, I usually use spinning tackle for them and if I get lucky I will get a big Striper.

This is a washed out picture but you can see the dogs simultaneously engage, which is what I wanted, I think??
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Jigmaster%20Pro%20Challenger%20double%20dog%20bridge%20with%20Tani%20SS%20sleeve%20004%20676%20x%20507_zpsp2vmwsry.jpg)

I made up a hang tag with the components used inside the reel. If I do not do that, by next week I will not remember anything I put in this reel. ??? ???
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Anyways, I will assemble this old ""Almost a Jigmaster 500", with the hopes I do not have a problems. My next post will be of the assembled reel.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 14, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
All these hidden references Mike, too funny!  Reel Deal in the background saying you only have two speeds...  Honestly, just laughed out loud looking at that picture.

Part of me wishes there was the option to have the simultaneous or the intermittent engagement of the dogs.  I'm sure with both together it is stronger, but it would be nice having it tighter in the handle while reeling...maybe someday it will be purchasable rather than custom.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 14, 2015, 11:26:24 PM
QuoteInsert Quote

All these hidden references Mike, too funny!  Reel Deal in the background saying you only have two speeds...  Honestly, just laughed out loud looking at that picture.

Part of me wishes there was the option to have the simultaneous or the intermittent engagement of the dogs.  I'm sure with both together it is stronger, but it would be nice having it tighter in the handle while reeling...maybe someday it will be purchasable rather than custom.

My two speed reference was intended to describe myself, the Reel Deal in the background was my Alfred Hitchcock effect and was meant specifically for you. You pick right up on that stuff. Sometimes I think you read more into a picture than was intended, that tells me your brain wheels are turning.

So now the parts are a reel;
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate%20Jigmaster%20500--done%20013%20676%20x%20507_zpsh4fbnbnp.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Accurate%20Reels/Accurate%20Jigmaster%20500--done%20014%20676%20x%20507_zpsucihxnrh.jpg)

A very imperfect, nicked up reel. The intention was to build a fishing reel, to actually fish with. So the imperfections are very appropriate. If it was perfect, I would sell it or display it, but now, I want to break it in. The double dog bridge has a different feel to it than a Penn bridge on the retrieve. Sort of a bit coarse but not. It is hard to explain. The free spool mode runs like it never heard of the word friction. It just spins and I start yawning waiting for it to stop. I know that if the dogs were engaging at different intervals, the reel would be more smooth with less backlash of the handle, but, logically you would not have a strength increase, you would have a more failsafe reel but not a stronger reel.

Anyways, this reel looks to be fun. I hope to do a few Montauk trips this year, if things work out for me. I will definitely bring this new / old reel with me.

I had no problems with clearance of any moving parts, everything works just like factory.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 15, 2015, 12:07:19 AM
Good job on that reel Mike.  Yes those accurate spin forever.
If dogs were engaging at different intervals you would not have a fail safe reel, something else would fail before the second dog gets a chance.
I believe the best option for these reels is to have the two dogs engaging at the same time, as you have it now.
Sal
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 15, 2015, 12:51:45 AM
QuoteIf dogs were engaging at different intervals you would not have a fail safe reel, something else would fail before the second dog gets a chance.
I believe the best option for these reels is to have the two dogs engaging at the same time, as you have it now.

Thanks Sal, that is good to know. Makes sense that the anti-reverse gear, being supported on the top and bottom at the same time would be stronger. I can't wait to land my first Bass with it. I suspect with the super spinning free spool, it would make a great surf reel also. 
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 15, 2015, 01:09:30 AM
If you test the drag let us know your numbers, I'm currently only getting 12 lbs with a very similar set up.  I need to dismantle and double check my order.  Looks fantastic by the way.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 15, 2015, 01:41:07 AM
QuoteIf you test the drag let us know your numbers, I'm currently only getting 12 lbs with a very similar set up.  I need to dismantle and double check my order.  Looks fantastic by the way.

I never did a drag test and do not own a scale that will hold the setting after it is released but I will give it a try when I get time and report back. Thanks for the kinds words on the appearance but if it looked fantastic I would put it up for sale...................... ;D It looks good enough to catch some fish with...
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 15, 2015, 03:28:35 AM
I may do it a slightly different way but I load up a 3 gallon bucket with large bank sinkers and add or remove based on what my drag is doing.  Cat litter buckets get a good afterlife at our house.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 15, 2015, 05:18:28 AM
QuoteI may do it a slightly different way but I load up a 3 gallon bucket with large bank sinkers and add or remove based on what my drag is doing.  Cat litter buckets get a good afterlife at our house.

So how do you do the lift? Do you simply put 20 pounds in the bucket and use the reel tied directly to the bucket to try to life it and keep adding weight until the reel begins to slip or reducing weight until it stops slipping? Or is the reel attached to a predetermined length fishing rod and then you do the lift?
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 15, 2015, 12:53:34 PM
I have a broomstick pole that I attach different size reels too and I have a 250 lb ball bearing swivel that is attached to the bucket.  I tie the main line to the swivel and lift away.  This works well with both lever drag or star drag.  Maybe I've been doing it oddly, but it seems to work well for my uses.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 15, 2015, 03:44:27 PM
QuoteI have a broomstick pole that I attach different size reels too and I have a 250 lb ball bearing swivel that is attached to the bucket.  I tie the main line to the swivel and lift away.  This works well with both lever drag or star drag.  Maybe I've been doing it oddly, but it seems to work well for my uses.

I have been so into Penn history over the last ten years, that I see everything through the catalogs and sometimes miss the simpler way to do thing. Here is an illustration of how Penn tested their drags in the 1930's:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn%20Drag%20Testing/1938%20Penn%20Catalog%206%20scan%20of%20Penn%20Drag%20Testing%20986%20x%20610_zpstog6ey5o.jpg)
I guess all that would be needed here is more controls, like a indicator somewhere between the fisherman and the tension source logging the amount of pounds needed to create a failure or simply arriving at a true figure of what the reel can handle.

There seems to be variables though. Like the length of the rod. The longer the rod, the more load on the reel, also the action of the rod can affect results, speed of run off, heat, amount of line left on the spool and other factors, I would think. We need a standard to have corresponding numbers.

Or am I getting too deep? Maybe there is already a standard that I am unaware of.

I must admit, I do like your bucket idea too!   :)
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Shark Hunter on April 15, 2015, 04:57:44 PM
We need to get Sal one of these. ;D
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 15, 2015, 05:06:28 PM
Very interesting!  Basically a fishing simulator, like the first arcade fishing game!  This would be neat to have...not sure I'd ever leave my garage if one of these was down there.  Anyway to get more information on that?  Like what powered it or how they determined the various drag conditions.  Pretty darn neat.  Thanks Mike.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 15, 2015, 06:28:26 PM
QuoteWe need to get Sal one of these. Grin
Ha, I would like to modify to a coin operated unit and bring it to the dock. I bet I would make some bucks with it.

QuoteVery interesting!  Basically a fishing simulator, like the first arcade fishing game!  This would be neat to have...not sure I'd ever leave my garage if one of these was down there.  Anyway to get more information on that?  Like what powered it or how they determined the various drag conditions.  Pretty darn neat.  Thanks Mike.
I always wondered what happened to this machine. This machine was in the first Penn factory, so I am pretty sure, after the war, this machine went to the junk heap. Especially after the purchase of the new testing platform after the war, called the Penn Sportfisher, on the cover of Catalog 15.
               I would think the electric motor that drove the drum needed a clutch or  motor brake somewhere in the drive line between the drum and motor, otherwise two things could possibly happen. There would be damage at the motor end or damage at the fisherman end.  :( Either would be undesirable, so, there was probably a adjustable disc at the drum.
               Anyways, I agree with you both, this would be a fun toy and I think Sal would love it.... ;D
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 16, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
Oh to dumpster dive in the old days at Penn...probably some neat stuff in their 'trash'.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: borchcl on April 16, 2015, 03:23:57 PM
Thanks for sharing, Mike.
Charlie
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 16, 2015, 09:07:50 PM
I am looking deeper into what happened with this old drag tester. I am finding out some surprising information about the machine. I did not go into the dumpster during the war. It most definitely made the transition to the new factory at Hunting Park Ave. So far I have some solid information about what happened with this drag machine. I just want to find out a bit more before I tell any stories. I want to get it right. More to come on the machine.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 17, 2015, 12:33:31 AM
I could just go knock on the door and ask, but I have a feeling they would look at me like I was a crazy person.  Could be worth a shot though...

Very interested to hear what you are finding out...thanks for digging.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 17, 2015, 12:49:56 AM
You could do that, you're only 15 minutes away.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 17, 2015, 01:08:48 AM
I did not buy a house 3.2 miles from the Penn plant for that reason alone...but it helps :). 12 min on a bicycle and 5 min by car haha.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 17, 2015, 01:35:48 AM
QuoteI did not buy a house 3.2 miles from the Penn plant for that reason alone...but it helps Smiley. 12 min on a bicycle and 5 min by car haha.

Someday I am going to visit, I have never been there. I am waiting to be invited......................................... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 17, 2015, 01:47:03 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 17, 2015, 01:35:48 AM
QuoteI did not buy a house 3.2 miles from the Penn plant for that reason alone...but it helps Smiley. 12 min on a bicycle and 5 min by car haha.

Someday I am going to visit, I have never been there. I am waiting to be invited......................................... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yeah right ::), you're probably always there ;D. I got an invitation for a special tour about a year ago and never made it over there, I'm also 15 minutes away ;D.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 17, 2015, 01:57:56 AM
QuoteYeah right Roll Eyes, you're probably always there Grin. I got an invitation for a special tour about a year ago and never made it over there, I'm also 15 minutes away Grin.

No, I mean it, I have never been in the factory. I know the former CEO of Penn, but, have never been in the plant. It is on my agenda of future things to do. I live on Long Island, New York, the plant is not around the corner for me.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Alto Mare on April 17, 2015, 02:10:47 AM
I thought you were joking Mike. I've been there a few times, but never got in as I wanted to, I just stayed at the waiting room.
I would love to get in there some day.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 17, 2015, 06:21:21 AM
Quotethought you were joking Mike. I've been there a few times, but never got in as I wanted to, I just stayed at the waiting room.
I would love to get in there some day.

Nope, I never set my foot in the door. Being that most of my research ends at 1957, there are not any people at the plant that could help with it. Especially after the business changed hands over tens years ago.

But, I never say never. Today I have books published, I would have never believed that of myself in my younger days. So life takes turns we do not expect sometimes. Every time we think we have it all figured out, something bites us and we have to change directions. The only thing that is consistent is inconsistency.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: coastal_dan on April 17, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
Sounds like a AT.com field trip is overdue...afterwards we can go to Delasandro's for a cheesesteak and a Peroni to wash it down.
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: Penn Chronology on April 17, 2015, 01:15:30 PM
QuoteSounds like a AT.com field trip is overdue...afterwards we can go to Delasandro's for a cheesesteak and a Peroni to wash it down.

Now there is an interesting thought... :)
Title: Re: Accurate / Jigmaster Conversion
Post by: ez2cdave on November 30, 2016, 12:16:06 AM
Quote from: Penn Chronology on March 26, 2015, 04:37:50 PM
[quoteI can't imagine a collection of 30,000 reels, doesn't really compute with my brain...they must not be married, haha]

They are married but both had the kind of job that allowed for early retirement. There is a story connected with their obsession. They were involved in a bit of underwater work on one of the USA's famous rivers and recovered much fishing tackle in a form of underwater salvage work. That was the beginning of their collecting which turned into a strong interest. Here are a few pictures, I am sure you will all understand why I do not use their names. Their basement is worth a small fortune in antiques. Here is a portion of their collection:

Needless to say, I was impressed with the quality, more than the quantity. A phenomenal display, museum like.
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They must be descendents of Zane Grey . . .

Tight Lines !