Guys
Before you jump too fast on the SS sleeves on ebay you need to know that the 500 sleeve is longer than a 400 sleeve. He is advertising the sleeves fit both the 400 and 500 and they are not the same.
I am currently testing some beautiful SS sleeves that will be made by one of our own members so sit tight and the production run will be ready soon.
Currently testing the 600 series and the fit is better than the originals.
Dwight
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 13, 2014, 12:09:46 PM
Guys
Before you jump too fast on the SS sleeves on ebay you need to know that the 500 sleeve is longer than a 400 sleeve. He is advertising the sleeves fit both the 400 and 500 and they are not the same.
I am currently testing some beautiful SS sleeves that will be made by one of our own members so sit tight and the production run will be ready soon.
Currently testing the 600 series and the fit is better than the originals.
Dwight
That Ebay seller is the same guy who is selling the PENN 113H gear set as Bugconnection. I guess that he created a new Ebay account....
Thanks for the heads up guys.
How about a sneek peek Dwight?
Quote from: Frank on May 13, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up guys.
How about a sneek peek Dwight?
X2, yes how about it Dwight?
600 series, the next ones are going to be cut flat to the sprocket to install under gear drags.
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a526/dwebb49/IMG_0170_zpsedb0f4be.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/dwebb49/media/IMG_0170_zpsedb0f4be.jpg.html)
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Very nice!!!!!
"reely" nice, thanks for sharing...
Would a change in the tips of the AR dog drawings be a good idea or not?
I don't see a reason to change the tips. They lock in perfectly with both the original and the new sleeve.
Any update, Dwight?
Tom had told me he had a big backlog and I have not heard any news yet. I will send a PM and ask.
Tom is now on vacation. Not sure when he will be back.
Okay, thanks.
Are the SS sleeves being sold on ebay under the name "bite" the ones you are talking about?
Good thing I saw this thread, I was just about buy some from him.
Dwight please keep us updated.... I will be need a few for my 400 & 500 series Newell's.
Thanks. Jt
Those on ebay came out about the time Tom was gearing up to make some and now he is not so sure he wants to make any more so Tom will have to comment when he decides which was to go. We were only testing the 600 series but changing the machining to cut 500s and 400s would be rather easy I think.
Guys,
Do all generations of Newell reel have non stainless sleeves? The reel in question is 1997 Glendale 631 4.2. I am going to put a longer SS handle and grip from Alan Tani on the 631. I have not had this reel apart yet. I read that a longer handle can round off the sleeve(brass??), unless it is SS. I also have 322-5, and 533-5.5 both with Bryan's 5+1 drag kits, and Tiberon one piece frames, narrow in the 533. I am going to put one of Alan's handle on the 533. Should I check or replace the sleeves prior to changing the handles?
Thanks for the help, Dave Babcock
I'd say half of my OG P's have ss sleeves, the other half are brass. The original blackies may have had ss only...I'd have to open mine up as I don't recall. In any case, none of these OG ss sleeves will fit your 533 or 631.
I've read the same things re rounding on brass sleeves if using ss handles...it makes sense. I've always swapped out the graphite handles on my 533 and 631 with aluminum handles. I know they're not ss but I haven't had any issues with the brass sleeves. Same with my OG P's, no issues with any of the sleeves and I've had 'em a long time.
Any status on the SS sleeves? I have a S332 that has what I think is a bronze or brass sleeve. Its fine for now, but I will also be upgrading the drag stack and handle.
Thanks.
Robert
I have found many many times that when the end of the gear sleeve is rounded off it is because the person did not tighten the handle screw enough. You should really torque down the handle screw as tight as you can and then I have never seen any issues with the gear sleeve. Eat your Wheaties before you tighten the handle screw.
Thanks. I understand what you're saying about keeping that handle nut tight. I'll hold off for now and keep the reel properly up to snuff.
Robert
I have heavy duty SS handles that Keta made on my 631 and have fished it hard for AJs and no issues on the sleeves. I also fish my 540 3.2 buttoned down hard for 20 years with no issues on the standard sleeve.
Use what ever handle you want and have some fun.
I just ordered a SS sleeve for my 338F, not sure if it already has one but... Just hoping there is no problem with this - ordered from the bite guy on fleabay.
If you had a very early P338F it would more than likely be a SS sleeved 4 stack drag system if your were lucky. I have one of those systems but not for sale.
I actually bought one of those SS sleeves from ebay out of curiosity but it still sits on a shelf. It looks okay but not sure how well it will hold up. I need to put it in a reel and test it but I just have too many irons in the fire to deal with it. The best test would be to put it in one of Captain Al's 447. I don't know any fisherman in the country that has fished a Newell for more hours that Capt Al Coley and he has never had a problem with the factory sleeve in his 447s. 30 hard years of commercial fishing is hard to match by any of us and with no failure on his reels says to me why waste the money changing what works so well.
I wanted to add a little power to this reel, I heard that using Bryan's 5+1drag he is able to get over 22lbs of drag out of this reel, I was hoping to match that with a SS sleeve and upgraded drag. I have the early 338F - there is no P on the side plate.
Unless there will be an added benefit to the gear sleeve, such more rachet teeth, then a new gear sleeve is not necessary.
You should be able to get at least 28 lb of drag with Bryan's system with the 338.
That sounds good, I have the SS guts and the original 4 stack drag, you guys advise to use a 113 CF under the main gear as well?
If you have the original Newell 4 stack drag then use the standard thickness CF under the gear. I believe that would be a .7mm thickness. Then use Bryan's 5 stack in the gear. If you use all of Bryan's thin metal washers then you should have room for a .020 delrin between the top keyed washer and the Belleville that Bryan supplies. Don't have to have the delrin but is smoother.
If you do not have the delrin then you can use a standard thickness keyed washer on top of the stack instead of the thin one and everything should fit the side plate just fine.
I use the following wavy washer between the 3-18 and star for a softer ramp up in drag. Takes about 4.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#9714k32/=win7cs
Quote from: Fishit 2 on March 28, 2015, 02:36:47 PM
I wanted to add a little power to this reel, I heard that using Bryan's 5+1drag he is able to get over 22lbs of drag out of this reel, I was hoping to match that with a SS sleeve and upgraded drag. I have the early 338F - there is no P on the side plate.
Your Newell is part of the "Blackie" series. It was the first series reel Carl made after his 300C model. Be careful to not over tighten the side plate screws or you'll crack the plates.
Yeah I try to be careful with these side plates, was hoping to get a Tiburon frame but the last time I checked there was none, has anyone made a Tib frame for this model?
Contact Gregg Chow (chowderpuff7@yahoo.com) to see if he knows of anything different but I'm 99% sure there's no alum frames made for the blackies - Tibs, Accu's, II Sharps or Bakers
Quote from: Fishit 2 on March 29, 2015, 11:52:30 AM
Yeah I try to be careful with these side plates, was hoping to get a Tiburon frame but the last time I checked there was none, has anyone made a Tib frame for this model?
You can also get a SS spacer bar for your 338.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12127.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12127.0)
Did you make any of those bars for a 332?
Quote from: Newell Nut on March 29, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
Did you make any of those bars for a 332?
Does 332 use the PENN Squidder spacer bar as well? If so, it is in progress.
A 332 Newell would equal a 99 size Penn.
What do you guys think about the SS conical dome(aftermarket) compared to stock? Was hoping for some increased drag range as well.
I have about a dozen Tiburon frames I bought off Gregg over the years, last time I asked him he didn't carry them, maybe writing to Tiburon direct would work.
Quote from: Fishit 2 on April 01, 2015, 12:43:05 AM
What do you guys think about the SS conical dome(aftermarket) compared to stock? Was hoping for some increased drag range as well.
I have about a dozen Tiburon frames I bought off Gregg over the years, last time I asked him he didn't carry them, maybe writing to Tiburon direct would work.
I used SS conical dome spring washers in my kits and they work great. No problems so far, but I'm sure over time, they will fatigue and crack as most do. The spring washer will, in itself, will not substantially increase drag range, but adding additional drag surfaces.
Please see the following:
Newell 200/300/400 Series - http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=7568.0
Newell 500 Series - http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=8201.0
Newell 600 Series - http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9284.0