It seems that Penn had a "thing" about the model number 85. The first listed in the summaries in the appendices of Mike's books lists the 85 Oceanside in 1934. True to the Penn "formula", it is a 300-yard reel. 1937 was the last year that reel was listed in the catalog. Then in 1941 the model reappeared without a name as a 250 yard reel. In 1946 it is listed as a 200-yard reel, but, again, according to Mike's book the wartime plastic reels with the wider arbors decreased spool capacity, so I think this is likely a yardage change due to a spool change, but there's also a picture of the 1941 model that has a plastic spool, so that's a little confusing. It was a 200-yard no-name reel until the 1952-53 catalog, when it picked up the name "Sea Boy". Through 1957 (the end of the summaries in this book) the model 85 remained a 200-yard reel. So first, Oceanside (but was it ever really produced?), then just 85, then Sea Boy, all with the model 85. The no-name 85 was almost identical to the Delmar 285 except for the handle. If you have any of these reels, please post up pics. This site gets 2.5 million hits a month; we have a valuable resource at our disposal to view a lot of pictures of a lot of different reels. Perhaps we can help Mike collect data :)
Thanks.
Sid
(5) 285's on the left -- (3) 85's on the right.
Best,
Fred
Nice, Fred. Do all the 285s have the stippled head plate? One looks like maybe not. If you get a chance to photo a little more closely can I see the two 285s in the back, one with green handle, one with the orange handle, both pointy? And that one that doesn't have a stippled head plate, if there is anything else different about it maybe that one, too?
Thanks
Sid
Is that a waffle clicker 285 on the far right/back?
Quote from: Tightlines666 on April 12, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
Is that a waffle clicker 285 on the far right/back?
No, John --
That is a pretty old Anglesea.
Also found a fairly old Long Beach 60 at the bottom of a crate.
Best,
Fred
LMK if you would be willing to part with the AngleSea. I could use 2-Zebco 4 spools, a few leather drag washers, and a set of Silverbeach plates as well. I am on absolutely no rush on any of the items, and am fine with some, all or none.. your choice.
To me, a look through your boxes must be like a treasure hunt back in time, with a fewa hidden gems to be surely found.
You have my mailing address, and paypal info in a PM if you want to send me anything.
Thanks for sharing once again!
John
QuoteIt seems that Penn had a "thing" about the model number 85. The first listed in the summaries in the appendices of Mike's books lists the 85 Oceanside in 1934. True to the Penn "formula", it is a 300-yard reel. 1937 was the last year that reel was listed in the catalog. Then in 1941 the model reappeared without a name as a 250 yard reel. In 1946 it is listed as a 200-yard reel, but, again, according to Mike's book the wartime plastic reels with the wider arbors decreased spool capacity, so I think this is likely a yardage change due to a spool change, but there's also a picture of the 1941 model that has a plastic spool, so that's a little confusing. It was a 200-yard no-name reel until the 1952-53 catalog, when it picked up the name "Sea Boy". Through 1957 (the end of the summaries in this book) the model 85 remained a 200-yard reel. Today I see references to the Model 85 Delmar that are waiting for Mike to properly document them in his next Penn book. So first, Oceanside (but was it ever really produced?), then Sea Boy, then Delmar, all with the model 85. The no-name 85 was almost identical to the Delmar 285 except for the handle, and this was way before there was ever an 85 Delmar (even before the Sea Boy). If you have any of these reels, please post up pics. This site gets 2.5 million hits a month; we have a valuable resource at our disposal to view a lot of pictures of a lot of different reels. Perhaps we can help Mike collect data Smiley
OK, too much information about multiple models, seemly with the purpose of causing confusion. The "Confusion Aspect" is easy enough to experience without creating more.
First, the 1934 to 1937 Ocean Side, Model 85, 300 yard reel has nothing to do with the later 1941 Model 85. When the concept of the Ocean Side was introduced, that reel was simply a scaled down Coronado. The only relationship the 1941 Model 85 has to do with the Ocean Side is the model number. I have been doing this for about 15 years and this is the first time I have seen anyone relate those two models in the same sentence.
Possibly my book does not do its job as well as I intended it to. If you want to follow the relationship of models, you have to look deeper than model number relationship only. The concept of the model is what really creates the flow. The 1941 Model 85--250 yard reel is actually the descendent of the Bridge City--Model 100. Using the Summaries in my book, go to the 1941 Summary, you will see the discontinuation of all three Bridge City Models and the introduction of the Model 85--250 yards reel in that same model year. A Bridge City is a Model 85 and later becomes a Delmar 285 existing in the same catalogs as the model 85. The differences in all these models (Except the Ocean Side) is garnish, they are basically the same reel done with different finishes on the side plates, spool material, handle knobs and handle knob materials.
Back to the 1934 to 1937 Ocean Side for a moment. Prototypes were made, some reels were produced. They are extremely rare reels that will almost always sell in the one thousand dollar range when they surface. These early reels are in their own class. Built in a few different ways, making classifying them according to build style really impossible. I have one of them in my collection, it is complete; but has a black tail plate and a brown head plate. I believe there are less than half dozen Ocean Side models accounted for and few in Trade Reel configuration wearing the King Fisher logo.
Just picked up this Penn No 85 (correct category I hope!) paid 12 bucks at an antique shop. He originally wanted 24 I asked for 10 he came back with 12. It's in pretty good shape, thought it was worth at 12. What do you all think?
Sure, that reel is worth $12. Just be careful with the plastic spool and winding mono on too tight. Adding a metal long beach 60 spool could make it a very solid little reel
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on September 04, 2016, 01:55:18 AM
Sure, that reel is worth $12. Just be careful with the plastic spool and winding mono on too tight. Adding a metal long beach 60 spool could make it a very solid little reel
Ted
Thanks Ted. I don't have a conventional rod yet. Got it for a project and thought it was cheap enough. I like tinkering with the old reels.
JDM....you should back away very carefully, pack it up and send it to me.....no questions asked, I will properly dispose of it for you, no need to get the authorities involved ::)
I'd pay $12 for that all week long, great buy and great platform to expand on.....Bill
I bought a PENN 85 Seaboy off e-bay the other day along with a PENN 60 Long Beach. Here is the Seaboy.
Sellers photo and as it looked when I received it.
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It was spooled with leadcore line and I stripped it off after receiving the reel. Here it is with the line removed.
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I thought it might have extensive corrosion due to it's age and the fact that the leadcore line that came on the reel had been fished. Well, I opened it up and this is just how it was - no corrosion at all.
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I don't plan to fish it any time soon so I think I'll put some PENN grease on the clicker, clicker spring, and main gear and button it up.
Ed, take it apart & service it. You said you like mechanical things. We are all here to help if you need it. Rudy
I'm going to do that Rowdy. I'll order the parts from Scott's and save the rebuild for this winter when there will be snow flying.
The folks at Scott's must think I'm nuts. A couple weeks ago I ordered an Alan Tani wrench and then the other day I ordered a replacement reel (29L - 85 Black Aluminum) to replace a corroded chrome over Brass/bronze reel on a 60 Longbeach that I got the other day. Then another order for the reel stand for the 60 Longbeach. I forgot to order some PENN blue grease so I'll make another order for that and then order all the parts I'll need for the 85 Seaboy rebuild all in one order. No big deal I guess but I gotta consolidate my orders in the future. ::)
Edited to add: Oops - I just noticed your name "Rudy" at the end of your post. I hope I didn't step on your toes by addressing you as "Rowdy".
If you don't the shipping will kill you. Rudy
Quote from: TARFU on September 04, 2016, 11:28:19 PM
JDM....you should back away very carefully, pack it up and send it to me.....no questions asked, I will properly dispose of it for you, no need to get the authorities involved ::)
I'd pay $12 for that all week long, great buy and great platform to expand on.....Bill
Lol Thanks bill. I figured it was a good deal. I can't wait to tinker with it. I need a conventional rod.
That's 4 x this week, Ed. :) I just looked it up.
We appreciate the business...but yes, holding off a few days 'til you see if you need something else is always recommended to keep the shipping costs down for you.
Well, since my above post about my 85 Seaboy where I said; "I don't plan to fish it any time soon so I think I'll put some PENN grease on the clicker, clicker spring, and main gear and button it up.", I decided to take Rudy's suggestion and rebuild the 85 Seaboy. Soooooooooooooo, I ordered up some parts (yes, more than one part at the same time this time) opened it up and replaced the stock plastic spool with a black, aluminum, 29L-85 spool as shown.
(http://i.imgur.com/M9ifMtF.jpg)
While I had it apart, I installed a 6-60SP Drag Kit with PENN HT-100 drag washers and metals. Before installing them, I greased them with Cal's grease. Although I had shiny new frame posts and a shiny new stand, I didn't install them. I instead used the original parts - just polished them as best I could with metal polish. The original parts are not chrome but instead I think are nickle plated. Oh, something new to me was that when I took the bridge out, a copper colored leaf-spring fell out and it took me a bit to figure out how it and the dog went back in.
Anyway, here is the finished project. It's not all new and shiny looking but I like the look.
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(http://i.imgur.com/WSXbh5j.jpg)
I think that by installing the new HT-100 drag kit and by installing the new aluminum spool that this reel has been strengthened quite a bit and should be a good user - maybe a nice trolling rig.
Thanks to Scott's Bait & Tackle - again!!!
Ed, anybody can buy a new reel from a tackle store, but servicing an oldie & taking it fishing & actually catching fish is the height of accomplishment. And having fun is the best part. Rudy
Great job Ed, that 85 is as clean inside as any I've seen. I like the old nickle finished reels. 8)
That'll catch fish all day long good job sir....if I could add one piece of advice, just be a little more liberal with the Penn Blue grease on the inside.....adds a little more corrosion protection on the gizzards and that will fish all day long for another 50 years....Bill
Great thread, great photos, and great advice, but I'm a little confused and it doesn't take much. Did I miss the name changes part along the way? Anyway, learned something else as I'm digging that black aluminum spool, 29L-85. Thanks Ed! Zowie, that's put some ideas spinning around in my head. ;D
Thanks for all the positive/nice comments.
TARFU - I did grease the non-exposed/internal parts with grease - more so than the pics of it opened before I did the tear down and rebuild.
MO - Yes, I like the looks of the nickel plated parts.
Rudy - Yep, it's very enjoyable working on the older gear.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on April 14, 2016, 12:03:14 AMI have been doing this for about 15 years and this is the first time I have seen anyone relate those two models in the same sentence.
Because of the title of this thread, the 85 Oceanside was included in this information.
Seen this reel on local buy and sell app. Seem to be an 85 knuckle buster. I am confused on trying to date. The handle looks maybe prewar. Looks like reel seat has no number it has hershey kiss clicker. The side plat just has Penn 85.
QuoteSeen this reel on local buy and sell app. Seem to be an 85 knuckle buster. I am confused on trying to date. The handle looks maybe prewar. Looks like reel seat has no number it has hershey kiss clicker. The side plat just has Penn 85.
Looks to be missing parts. All 85's have drags with a star wheel. They are not knuckle busters. The handle is a Penn wood knob handle but not pre-war. Penn used that handle on the Model 85 after the war as well as before.
I got 5,,,85's ? There all black side plates,,,, :D
Those "mottled" plates are pretty slick, Benni ! Is the spool the same way ?
Quote from: Crow on October 15, 2019, 02:42:45 AM
Those "mottled" plates are pretty slick, Benni ! Is the spool the same way ?
yes the spool mottled,,,I don't know how unusual this one is ? I got 1 with black side plates mottled spool and the white spool was difficult,,,,, :) just like to know more about the 85,,,,,,,, ;D
Hey there awesome reels Benni,
The white spool is way cool. Not very common I believe, I've certainly never been able to find one anyhow.... great scores...
Col
Quote from: milne on October 15, 2019, 08:38:53 AM
The white spool is way cool. Not very common I believe, I've certainly never been able to find one anyhow.... great scores...
Yes, the white spool is one I've been stalking, great find Benni! 8)
Yeah...that white one really rocks !
Thanks very much my friends,,,,, :D i really like the history of the 1941,,,85 white spool pier rentals,,,, ;) I would like to see other unusual 85's if any will post them,,,,,,, ;D
Is this a normal Penn 85 ??
Since you're posting it Ted, I'm sure it's not ;D
Can't wait to see what the surprise is!
Same reel in direct sunlight
Cool reel Ted! First green head plate I ever saw on that reel.
Sal
:o :o :o
That's awesome Ted!
That's very cool,,,,,,, 8) I like to know the history on that reel,,,,,,,, ;D
Here's one that I bought for $15.00 3 years ago thinking it was an Oceanside, I do not think it was ever used if so maybe 1/2 times?
joel8080
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joel8080
QuoteSame reel in direct sunlight
Nope, absolutely not, just plain wrong, cannot be, impossible, must be an illusion, done with mirrors, it is a trick. There are no green Penn 85's.
On the other hand I am looking at one.
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? :o :o :o :o :o :o :o