Has anyone ever heard of or know anything about the Mitchell 1090?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/171817146175
I am tempted to 'buy it now'.
But it is made in France
Berk!
These reels were sold in the 1970''s. They were very undervalued, selling new for about $75. Lately they have had a serious price rise. When new they came in a very nice, felt lined wood box with a special internal mounting for the reel.
Here is my 4/O in the box.
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They were offered in a 4/O, 6/O and 9/O
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If you want one as a collectible, you should look for one as mint as possible and in the original wood box with all the accessories, special spanner wrenches and papers. I would not bid on the one that you are watching. You can do better, especially at that price. Three hundred dollar plus is high for this reel.
Made in France Mitchell reels are high quality and usually regarded as more desirable than Mitchell reels not made in France.
I knew people that owned them back in the 1970's and they had very good things to say about them. I have never fished the one I have, it has lived on a shelf as long as I have owned it.
That's a lot of reel for the money, Mike, you have everything ;D.
I'm interested to see what the inside looks like, do you have the schematic? I don't want you to break yours down.
Sal
QuoteThat's a lot of reel for the money, Mike, you have everything Grin.
I'm interested to see what the inside looks like, do you have the schematic? I don't want you to break yours down.
Nope, I do not have everything, not even close. ;)
I have never taken one of these down. Mine is basically new, there was never a reason to take it apart. I do have a belief in the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it", so I will not take it down but I will make a inquiry on the ORCA forum. Maybe one of the Eggheads over in my other internet world forum may have a schematic, if so I will transfer the info over here.
Later,
Mike C.
Historically, these reels were always sleepers. They are high quality, at very low prices. I feel that Mitchell was sort of experimenting with the big game market. Basically, the experiment was a success but the patient died. They made a great reel; but priced it much too low, so rather than start playing with the pricing, they simply got out of the game and went back to what they normally did, making great spinning reels! These reels are not too easy to find. They idled along at very low prices until about a year ago, and then they came out of the closet.
I have owned mine for many years, if you look, the date on the photo I posted is 2007. I only paid about $50.00 for it NOS in the box, today I could get $250 on a bad day. The only thing missing is the paperwork.
I have placed a post on the ORCA forum asking if anyone there has a schematic or a parts breakdown drawing for any one of these reels. The three sizes seem to be exactly the same except for size, so any schematic will do.
QuoteI'm interested to see what the inside looks like, do you have the schematic? I don't want you to break yours down
Best I could do on a short notice;
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We really have Ray Hodges aka Superhook to thank for this schematic / parts breakdown, he found it.
I have the same schematic and price list in a Dealer Parts List book, dated April 1, 1969.
Interesting to just take a look at the price for a few of the parts --
Main drag gear and lever control assembly -- $49
Drag lever plate -- $28
Right side plate -- $35
Left side plate -- $32
Reel foot -- $21
Spool -- $31.50
Drag plate with ratchet -- $19.50
These are only 7 of about 75 parts --
And this was over 46 years ago!
Best,
Fred
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QuoteI have the same schematic and price list in a Dealer Parts List book, dated April 1, 1969.
Interesting to just take a look at the price for a few of the parts --
What makes it really interesting is that the selling price of the reel does not equate with the cost of the parts. If you need a few major parts, you were better off buying another reel, it was cheaper that way.
These are not the only big game Mitchell reels. This one is even harder to find. I do not have one of these.
You see Sal, I do not have everything. ;D
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Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 08, 2015, 06:10:13 AM
QuoteI have the same schematic and price list in a Dealer Parts List book, dated April 1, 1969.
Interesting to just take a look at the price for a few of the parts --
What makes it really interesting is that the selling price of the reel does not equate with the cost of the parts. If you need a few major parts, you were better of buying another reel, it was cheaper that way.
Fred,
The high price of the parts was the first thing I noticed when looking at that schematic. I mean the total cost of a reel built from individually purchased parts should run...What...3 or 4 times the cost of a new reel, max? Back then it seems like most reels were typically less...like maybe 2 times. Of course reels with more parts tend to have a higher ratio.
Also, I can't believe 2 different members were able to drum up schematics on a fairly uncommon reel produced close to 50 years ago in short order...
Actually, given the resources available and the members that are here... on second thought...I can.
Mike,
Thats a pretty one. Looks like a slightly different design. I'd like to take a look inside either or both of those guys.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge guys!
Good stuff.
Thanks guys, I knew I would get some info if I asked ;D.
John, I'm with you about taking a look inside ;).
Mike, that 12/0 looks awesome, how much does he need to have for it? ;D.
Thank you!
Sal
QuoteThats a pretty one. Looks like a slightly different design.
I never owned a Model 1090. looks different in relation to the size of the parts. On the 1040 (4/O) the parts look too large. The drag lever looks to big for the body of the reel, on the 9/O it look about right. Usually time sort of balances out the cosmetic designs of a model. The model evolves into what it should be. With these Mitchells, there is no evolution. They were gone from the market in a few years.
QuoteMike, that 12/0 looks awesome, how much does he need to have for it? Grin.
Those are really hard to find but I do not think they are crazy expensive. I have no idea who owns this 12/O President model, I just found a picture of it online. We should all keep an eye out for the President 12/O on EBay. Who knows when one will pop up.
Fred, do you have any paper on the Mitchell 12/O President Model?
I got a good copy of the 1090---9/O schematic.
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And the 1040--4/O and 1060--6/O;
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That should do it, straight from the ORCA library.
I'll take a look, Mike --
But kind of doubt it -- never even knew they made one that big.
Best,
Fred
QuoteI'll take a look, Mike --
But kind of doubt it -- never even knew they made one that big.
Thanks Fred. The 12/O seems like a much newer model than the 1040, 60 & 90. It could possibly be a Limited Production model.
Mike --
Spent a few hours combing through the archives of old schematics, dealer manuals, parts lists, interchangeability lists, TSBs (technical service bulletins), letters to dealers, and more.
Did not find much more than you already have, however.
Did find an old Mitchell/Browning dealer service manual from October 29, 1979 that shows the 1040, 1060, 1090, 1120 -- like you already show. It does have a price list in the back, which I scanned just one page of.
I am thinking also, Mike, like you mentioned -- that the 12/0 President was a later version. Was the 1120 the same basic size as a 12/0 President?
Mitchell was going through quite a few Suitors during this period -- just trying to keep the doors open.
Browning, ABU, Johnson, etc., etc...
Maybe the 12/0 was more of a Worldwide or European issue -- and not in the US?
I did find some neat old Newell stuff that I may post -- if it is not on Alan's site already.
So all is not a complete loss -- and I will keep my eyes open for anything else.
Best,
Fred
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After a little more research -- it appears that the Mitchell President Series consisted of (6) reels.
2/0
4/0
6/0
9/0
12/0
14/0
All manufactured between the 1987 -- 1989 years (the last year Mitchell was still made in France before moving to cheaper real estate, and lesser quality reels).
Old school, Sal, and Daron had a thread going a few years ago about the Gladiator Reels (Rossetti Reel Co., in Italy).
Turns out, Mitchell bought the company and rebadged the reels under the Mitchell name.
These originally were in gun metal colors -- but since the largest market was the deep water fisherman in Japan -- and they would pay literally thousands for Gold Reels -- all of the President line was changed to Gold -- and sold well for a few years in Japan.
Some of you may recall that this was a solid little company that was trying to compete with Everol & Penn -- for the high end deep water angler.
Best,
Fred
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9372.0
Ah yes...I knew I recognized that design. Now there is a real/reel collectors challenge...
Try to collect the full set of Mitchell President series, and the Moderna series of reels.
A few good tidbits gleamed from the previous thread..
"They were and are still quite well known, and manufactured around 1967-1972 by a fellow named J.C. Rosetti and a company called OFMER. The torch was passed a few times, and the reels were sold for a time with the name Mitchell President. Some of the heritage remains in the reel business even to this day."
"This line of reels were made in Italy by J.C. Rossetti Co. who was in business from 1967 - 1970. The plant and the reel line were then sold to Mitchell of France who then offered it for three years as the "Mitchell President. I believe in its day it was approx $5,000 new. There about but would consider them hard to find and ive seen them advertised for sale for 300-500ea"
Thanks all for sharing the knowledge
A few more...
Neat, thanks for sharing! Cool to see the old adds/books.
Well, we seem to have opened a fabulous can of worms ;D. There is enough history here for a small book.
A complete set of Mitchell Presidents ??? ??? ???.......... Wow, I have a feeling a challenge like that needs to be sought after by a younger man than me. :(
I think you are right, Mike --
If I had the inclination, time, deep pockets, and connections to foster -- and I have not any of these -- I might start with France, Italy, Germany, then Japan, and see how far I could get.
Who knows?
Interesting chapter in a book, for sure.
Best,
Fred
Oh yes, definitely a new bucket list item. Not the whole series but just one big one will do. ;D
There was a time in my life when Presidents were part of my job,
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so I feel my collection should have at least one reel with a presidential name.
Mike,
Now you really are my hero :)
Mike,
Good to know Bill realized that you , as Crew Chief was responsible for the mechanical soundness to keep his plane flying. No wonder he shook your hand. A fine photo.
Ray
QuoteGood to know Bill realized that you , as Crew Chief was responsible for the mechanical soundness to keep his plane flying. No wonder he shook your hand. A fine photo.
Actually, I was part of a team setting up security and communications when he visited New York. President Bill Clinton spent much time in New York which kept us very busy. I worked for TWA and we watched over Air Force One with many presidents. President Bill Clinton was the only president to come near the working people, all the others acted like Royalty.
Hey, whadaya know!! The price is coming down....
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The Mitchell President is an urban legend, if one of them turns up it will like a watching the holy grail go up for sale. Closest ive ever got to the President is the Gladiator which Mitchell bought the rights to and may have had the president made under licence before buying the factory and punching out the 1080's, this information is grey but there are definitely some big collectors looking for the President. Still fishing the Gladiator,
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QuoteThe Mitchell President is an urban legend, if one of them turns up it will like a watching the holy grail go up for sale.
Wow, I guess my assumption of this reel not being expensive is a bit off the mark. I will be looking hard at the garage sales this year................... ::) ::)
Hey Fred that service manual has my 4470 spinner on the cover.
Still one of the Great Unknowns in the world of Mitchell.
I bought mine new in 1976 , the year I graduated high school and have been using and abusing it surf fishing ever since.
Just about 98% metal but it weighs about what one of our beloved Dam Quick Supers weighs!
I lucked into 2 spare spools , NOS, on this very site last year.....
Best ,
Jonathan
Yeah, JON --
Those are really good reels -- we need to remember that most quality brands from the 70s & 80s, were quality reels.
That was the "Golden Age of Spinners" -- when quality still meant something -- and just prior to the majority of quality world-wide makers selling out or running off to Asia.
I am down to 4 of those 4470 spools, NIB -- if you need any others.
Mike --
I am getting ready for a little garage sale this Saturday, in Fresno.
During my prep, I ran across a new CL listing up in Modesto, CA -- for a Gladiator 50 pound reel from Rossetti.
Guy is asking $800 -- he seems to have a handle on some of the history.
He is claiming they sold for $5000 new -- That seems a little high to me -- but since I have no way to verify it, who knows? That is the third time I have heard a number like that in my cursory amateur research, the last couple of days.
Best,
Fred
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Mr Oaks,
If you are having a "little" yard sale I want to stop by on my way to work. I have to work 6 days a week until our owner returns from overseas.
You could bring that narrow Squidder for me and I will bring cash!
I knew you would have some parts for my beloved 4470 ::)
Best,
JT
Sure, Jon --
It is yours...I will bring it down with me.
Going to post some pics later today to add to the CL posting -- link below
And I will send you the address -- runs from 7:00 to 2:00, this Saturday.
Best,
Fred
http://fresno.craigslist.org/spo/5070802141.html
FISHING TACKLE GARAGE SALE
WHY SPEND TOO MUCH?
(1) DAY ONLY -- Saturday, June 13
OVER 300 HIGH QUALITY REELS
ONLY THE BEST -- NO JUNK -- MICROLITES TO HD SALT
PENN, MITCHELL, GARCIA, ABU, NEWELL, SHIMANO,
D.A.M. QUICK, DAIWA & MORE...
REELS INCLUDE OCEAN, OFFSHORE, SURF, PIER
FRESHWATER FOR LAKES, TROLLING, STREAM & RIVER
FLY FISHING GEAR
CONVENTIONAL, SPINNING, FLY, BAITCASTERS
LOTS OF RODS
TACKLE BOXES
LURES
Rods starting at $10 -- Reels starting at $10
PLENTY OF GEAR FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY
KIDS GEAR STARTING AT $5
DAD'S GEAR ABOUT HALF PRICE FROM NEW
Good Discounts for Multiple Purchases
I'll be there.
Best,
JT
QuoteMike --
I am getting ready for a little garage sale this Saturday, in Fresno.
During my prep, I ran across a new CL listing up in Modesto, CA -- for a Gladiator 50 pound reel from Rossetti.
Guy is asking $800 -- he seems to have a handle on some of the history.
He is claiming they sold for $5000 new -- That seems a little high to me -- but since I have no way to verify it, who knows? That is the third time I have heard a number like that in my cursory amateur research, the last couple of days.
Best,
Fred
Fred,
If I spent $5000 back when these reels were originally made, at the end of the deal I would have to have a car, not a fishing reel. I have seen that $5000 price tag mentioned before and figured it was a misprint. Two years ago I sold a brand new Everol 14/O-130 pound class gold reel for $500. A 50 pound class reel does not equate to the kind of money we are talking about here. Maybe it is me, but I feel sensibility has left the building. ???
Agree, 110%, Mike --
Not even close to reality.
IMO.
Best,
Fred
Yup. I have been in touch with the Gladiator company, owners and collectors many times over the years, and find it highly doubtful that anything of theirs sold for 5000 bux anytime anywhere.
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Good to hear from you Dr. Rob. Hope all is well with you and yours.
Mike C.
Quote from: foakes on June 11, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
Going to post some pics later today to add to the CL posting --
And I will send you the address -- runs from 7:00 to 2:00, this Saturday.
I'd be sorely tempted to make the roadtrip if I didn't already have a work obligation. Whoa.
You're the man Mike, always keeping it interesting ;D.
Thanks!
Sal
It is unlikely that the reel SOLD for $5000 at the time of production and believe it was a reel worth an equivalent of $5000 in today's money at that time whatever that equated to. At the time in its day it seems plausible that it would be expensive and it would be an international purchase that possibly attracted tarriffs on imports back in the day ?
What a fascinating thread. It reminded me that I once saw adverts for the Mitchell big game series in the UK back when they were on the market but there were few takers. I need saw one in the flesh.
I guess most were buying Penn Senators and a very few were buying the International series in the 1960s and early 70s.
Somewhere I have one of the old leaflets for the Gladiator series and I know think I once had a leaflet for those Mitchell reels too, but no longer. I wonder where it went? According to my wife, I never throw anything away :)
One of the "Osprey Angler' series of books - the one on shark fishing - has a picture of a lady using one of the Mitchell reels - I think it was the 9/0. That book I still have.
But I had never seen or heard of the Mitchell President.
Great thread lads - thanks for all the insight!
Quote from: UKChris on June 18, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
But I had never seen or heard of the Mitchell President.
The legend continues....
Anyone interested in one. This one will be over in a little less than a day. Still have some time.
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That went rather cheap. The last 3 have been $300-400, and some without the box.
QuoteThat went rather cheap. The last 3 have been $300-400, and some without the box.
These models re really hard to predict. Totally dependent on interested parties and whether they spot the listing or not. This one was fair deal for someone.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on June 23, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
QuoteThat went rather cheap. The last 3 have been $300-400, and some without the box.
These models re really hard to predict. Totally dependent on interested parties and whether they spot the listing or not. This one was fair deal for someone.
I almost pulled the trigger on this one, but spent my weekly reel budget on a first generation 12/0, and SS gear sleeves for my working 12/0 & 14/0s. It would be nice to have a little larger fishing gear budget.
The auction arena is a very hit and miss affair, and im always wary of the shill bidders.