will a 10 foot rod rated at 10 to 25 lb work with a jigmaster with 30lb line or would it be better suited for a squidder thanks
Alan has a great post on this that is on here in a few places and all over the web. Line rating needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I just fished a 30# 8.5' Super Seeker with 40# line for a week and couldn't wish for a better combination. That, of course, is with a Super Seeker (Thanks again Alan!)
30# line needs between 8-10 pounds of drag. Both of your mentioned reels can do that if set up correctly. If you are referring to 30 pound mono then the Jigmaster will have the capacity you are probably looking for. If you have the rod, connect ANY reel to it with 30# line on the spool, run the line through the guides and hang 10 pounds of weight off the line. Lift the weight off the ground and see how the rod bends. If You are happy with how the rod bends then run your Jigmaster with 30# mono and be happy. If the rod bends to much for YOU, then it is a 20 pound reel and a Squidder or Surfmaster or something in that class would be better suited.
Hope that helps.
Ron
be careful
i just hung 10lb bucket of water off shimano t-curve 200 deep jig.
rated at 24kg.
snapped like a carrot.
nice easy lift off the ground,bang!
bought it on sat; took it back today
said he would do me a favor and try and replace it.
before i bought it i rang shimano and asked about the drag
"depends on the angle,it will handle 20lb"
i said i cant handle anything over 15lb.
but im happier with 10lb
"enjoy the rod"
Seeker explained to me that it all depends on the drag settings for rods. The stated rating of 15-40 with drags set at 1/3 the line strength means this rod is good for 13.3 lb of drag on the high side. It makes no difference if you use 80 line on a 15-40 as long as the drag is set correctly. The line does not break the rod, the drag does.
This morning I tested a P332 with a maxed out drag system and I picked up a 20 lb dumbbell with a Calstar 700M which is good for a light weight rod.
my drag was set at 9lb with digital scales,
i allowed 10% over the rod
bucket+water=10lb,slow lift bang!
i could have bought 6 ugly sticks for the same $,s
ok I forgot to say what I am fishing for I am surf fishing for reds and speckled trout and whatever bites lol
Hi 'txangler81'
In surf casting, whether bait or lure, it is not so much a case of the line weight to be used, but the weight of the lure or sinker & bait – particular to each blank. So, it is the casting weight which is the most critical trait for a particular blank, to get optimum performance. Then add a reel according to balance and conditions.
In most cases you will probably be looking to use a casting leader to take the stress and strain of the actual cast off the main line, and then the main line is going to be dependent on the actual conditions you are fishing in. Because all the shock and power of the cast has been taken by the casting leader, much finer main lines can be used; which is the case in surf casting to achieve maximum distances. In some tournament situations, folks are casting 6oz sinkers with just 15lb line, and a suitable casting leader, and achieving huge distances.
Generally in most 'clean ground' situations going down to 15lbs can give a lot more distance to your chosen casting rod, but as soon as you start to fish more rocky or broken ground the main line needs to be upped to cover terrain; but suffer a loss in overall casting distance. Also there is the factor of what fish you are likely to be catching – for sharks or large fish, certainly heavier lines are going to be the norm, while smaller fish are going to be a lot more fun on lighter lines.
Balancing this to a specific reel, is usually about capacity and again the species likely to be targeted. Generally in 'near' surf casting capacity is not such a critical issue, so 300m of your chosen line would be more than adequate, while 'distance' surf casting, perhaps increased capacity is more the norm. There is always the option to bottom load with an appropriate sized braid, then have a top shot of working nylon to cover casting situations, this gets you the extra capacity. Typically here in southern Africa, we will have a 6oz rod teamed up with a reel that would have a capacity of about 300m of 30lb braid, then a top shot of 300m of 30lb nylon. This set up might be stepped up to 40-45lb lines on a 7 or 8oz rod intended for sharks – but the same principle applies. Then we are generally fishing over heavy ground or reefy areas.
Either of th reels you mention would be adequate for 'near' surf casting, but less than optimum for 'distance' work.
Hope that helps.
Cheers from sunny Africa
Jeri
I will be fishing for red fish speckled trout and whatever else comes along on sand in Galveston, TX
will a conventional reel work with a spinning surf rod. It is really hard to find low budget casting surf rods
It really doesn't. Your best bet is probably the Ugly Stick.
Eagle claw makes some for casting rods but they only go up to 10 foot 1-5 ounce lure weight and 1-25 lbs on the line weight ive got a 112h that im looking for something a little longer and heavier in a similar price range under $40
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Beefstick-Surf-Spinning-Rods-arg-/171188912931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item27dba78323 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Beefstick-Surf-Spinning-Rods-arg-/171188912931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item27dba78323)
that would be a good one if it was a casting rod. has anyone used the hurricane rods
Like this?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Daiwa-BFSF1202HRB-Beefstick-SF-Casting-Surf-2-Piece-Rod-/221469084115?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33909609d3 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Daiwa-BFSF1202HRB-Beefstick-SF-Casting-Surf-2-Piece-Rod-/221469084115?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33909609d3)
That's the Diawa I was referring to. It is slow, but it is hell of tough and can get you on the water.
Ron
ok are downrigger/trolling rods any good for casting the ones im looking at have 8 to 10 eyes and come in 7.5 8.5 and 10 foot
In your price range they will be as good as anything else.Just depends on what action you prefer.
Ronald
well im thinking about using the 8.5 with my penn 209s for cat fish and with like a squidder or surfmaster 200 for bay fishing from the bank
Quote from: txangler81 on June 24, 2014, 02:28:32 PM
I will be fishing for red fish speckled trout and whatever else comes along on sand in Galveston, TX
IMHO, the Jigmaster is overkill for what you after, AT has done several posts on the Jigmaster and talks about the the size line to the reel, he always states use 30# mono. That would seem to be large line for a speckled trout. The reason he says that, is the spool to side plate tolerance on a Jigmaster is loose and tends to eat smaller line. Better to go with a Surfmaster or a Squidder IMHO for the species you are after.
yeah but those bull reds get pretty big lol. It may be overkill but it will still be fun to fish with
They make narrow Squidders (146), Surfmasters (100), the Baymaster (180) that is a narrow Beachmaster and a monofil (27) that would work just fine for what you want. Perfect little 20 pound test reels.
Ron
ok I already have a 309, 4 209, a 109, a 9, a 250, a 500, a 140, a 26, and a 112h, I just purchased another 9 309 and 250 along with a 99 a 68 and a 200 im trying to figure out what to do for rods for all of them the peer peerless and monofil reels will all be used for fresh water catfish with the bigger ones and white/sand bass with the smaller stuff. my surfmasters I was planning to use for bay fishing and the the squidder jigmaster and senator for surf when I go down to Galveston to my inlaws not sure what to use the 99 for just yet. all of this is bank fishing. I'm trying to figure out what rods to use for what and im on a very limited budget. I understand some of these may be over kill but ive turned into a collector I eventually want to add a 113h and a 114h to the surf arsenal. Im looking at eagle claws line of rods they seem pretty decent and are cheap I have purchased a 8'6' eagle claw starfire trolling / downrigger rod that I put one of my 209s on for catfish but I haven't had a chance to cast it yet. and see how it does. they make a 7'6"version that is lighter that I want to put my 109 9 and 26 on. They also have a 10' trolling/dipsy diver rod in the same model that I was thinking about for my 309. then they have the water eagle series of medium heavy surf rods up to 25 pounds and in 8 9 and 10' lengths I was thinking 9' for the 140 and 10' for the 500 then I was thinking using the 8'6" and 10' trolling rods on my surfmasters for bay fishing the 10' goes up to 30 lbs on the trolling rod. my senator I really want one of the 10' ugly stick surf casting rods what do yall think thanks
Quote from: noyb72 on July 03, 2014, 05:08:42 AM
They make narrow Squidders (146), Surfmasters (100), the Baymaster (180) that is a narrow Beachmaster and a monofil (27) that would work just fine for what you want. Perfect little 20 pound test reels.
Ron
That would be they "made" those reels, as they have been "OOP" for quite a while . . .
Another reel to look at (on eBay ) is the Daiwa Sealine 30H & 50H . . . One-piece aluminum frame, easy to work on, and TOUGH !!!
DAIWA SEALINE 30H
(http://a1.trd.cm/thaisecondhand/201208/03q/10219861_4.jpg)
DAIWA SEALINE 50H
(http://mlb-s1-p.mlstatic.com/carretilha-daiwa-sealine-50h-japonesa-14642-MLB4026479158_032013-O.jpg)
im looking for rod suggestions not reel suggestions thanks though
Are you looking to use some of them as wall hangers or fish all of them? I'm going to try to not sound like a but head, and that is kind of hard for a Navy Chief, but if your budget is as limited as you say it is then I recommend you decide if you want to fish or collect. If fish, then truly identify what your actual species will be (it sounds like you are on your way with that) and then decide if you can thin the herd to bring in some coin to buy a rod. I love the 112H, it is truly my first love in reels, but I just don't see you using it with what you are fishing for. You could sell the 112H, the 68 and one of the 309s, add in the money you already have and buy a second hand Seeker / Sabre/ Calstar 20-30# jigstick that will work well for everything you are looking for. Use the little reels however you want and load up the 500 with 30# for anything bigger. When you do go down to the surf then maybe look into a surf rod. That jigstick will outcast the 12' Ugly stick any day of the week and twice on Sundays, but Penn and Okuma have some intro rods that are nice and that you could get into if you are patient and watch the sales.
Starting out with a limited budget is expected, but their is a right way to do it.
Ron
well I went a little crazy getting reels at this point in time I am not getting anymore I am thinking about selling the 68 and maybe 2 of the 209s at this point in time I do not need 4 of them lol I have had to do a major reality check when it comes to my reels I was wanting multiples of each of the main ones squidders jigmasters surfmasters monofils senators and the peer series at one time I wanted nothing but senators my 112h like you is probably my favorite reel I currently have. as far as rods I am looking in the under 30 dollar range that's why im drawn to the eagle claw rods that and the yellow rods blanks lol but I do worry about how long they will last though. but the price almost makes it worth the chance they do have decent reviews
Like I've said, I have fished the Eagle Claws and would fish them over others in the price range, but selling reels to get into a high performance rod will truly blow your mind.
Ron
Your rod is the interface between your hand and the fish/lure/bait. I spend a lot of $ to make sure it is the right \tool for the job.
all of this is giving me a headache lol my primary fishing is freshwater which I am going to use the peer series and the surfmasters for. the only ones that I need to be able to make extra long cast with is my 140 99 500 and 112h. I will also use the surfmasters for bay fishing from the shore so a longer cast might be required most likely not as long as the surf reels. my primary saltwater species will be flounder redfish and speckled trout. fresh water species I will target are channel, flathead, and blue catfish, stripers, and white/sand bass. the 209s and 309s will be used for the catfish with the 309s set up for the larger species. the surfmasters will be used for stripers and occasionally catfish. the 9,109,and 26 will be for the white/sand bass. I live 2 hours from Lake Texhoma, which has a breeding population of stripers. I will bank fish behind the spillway there and also some occasional trolling. white / sand bass will be bank fishing and occasional trolling. catfish will be mostly bank fishing and occasionally out of a boat.
ok I looked at the sabre rods on ebay and wow those are cool I will have to save up and get me a few of those
Rods need to have the load distributed evenly. Lifting a static load is different than drag under normal fishing conditions. It's called high-sticking. Many rods will break when high-sticking because you concentrate the load on the tip and not from the butt to the tip. I'm not speaking about high-sticking in a stream for trout with a flyrod :P