I have lined these jig up kind of in age groups, and how they will be described, starting from left to right, and numbered 1,2,3,4, etc. So here goes.
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#1 is the Putter, Jim Putter was a skipper at Pierpoint Landing, I do not remember him at Pacific Landing but he may have been. This is IMO one of the three best surface jig ever made.
#2 is called a Schnabel, But this jig to my knowledge was not made by Clyde Schnabel. Most of the captains, and crews in the Long Beach, and LA harbor always said it was just a jig taking advantage. The molding process for this jig is obviously not the same.
#3 is a Clydes it is single hook like the Putter. These two jigs differ slightly in width, and depth. The lengths are about the same. At first glance they look the same. This is IMO one of the other jigs that make up the top three surface jigs.
#4 is The Clyde Schnabel it is the treble hook version of the Clydes. It is the last of the top three. It moves thru the water different due to the treble hook.
#5 is a copy of the Putter made by Dal Salas. They usually say " Salas or "YoYo" on the back. As Dal use to say "I wish I knew what Putter and Schnabel use in the Aluminum mix". A side note is that the Aluminum used today does not hold up to time and salt like some of the old jigs. This to is a good jig but not in the league with the Clydes, and Putter.
#6 is the Baby Putter made by Salas. It to is a nice jig. I found that this jig worked well when the Barracuda, and Bass were shy. Hot or clear water, over fed,etc. This is a jig to throw before stitching to a Hexhead feather. If they are biting the jig it was easier to shake them off the jig, they would inhale the feather.
#7 is the Micky S it to is a copy.
#8 is a Snake it is also a copy.
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#9 is a trolling Bone jig. It is a Tuna slow trolling jig. They were used by both sport and commercial boats.
#10 is a casting Bone jig. These smaller ones were hard to cast on old tackle.
#11 is Nep-Tune " El Pesccdor" this is how it is spelled on the jig. it is another slow trolled Tuna jig.
#11 is a Baldys another Tuna troller.From what I have been told Tady use the to pattern his AA or A1, I can't remember which.
#12 next is a 3J's 711.
#13 is a Maverick JR.
#14 is the heavy version of the Maverick JR "Cinco" It is one of the earliest heavy jigs.
#15 is a Homicide 6.
#16 is a Banana jig.
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These jigs are all by Dal Salas.
#17 is a Flea it was made both in a lite and heavy version.
#18 is a 2x200 with out a doubt this is the best Calico bass jig ever made.
#18 is a 1x100 a very good slow slow Barracuda jig in hot clean water.
#19 is a 1x3 it is a heavy jig. We used it a lot for Sculpin.
#20 is a 4X JR.
#21 is a YOYO 3 JR.
#22 is a YOYO6.
#23 is a YOYO3 I love this jig. on the top in the middle, or YOYOed. In Blue and White with a White back it's a awesome Yellowtail jig.
#24 is also a great all aroung jig it's a YOYO 1.
#25 is a ORCA 6 it to is versatile like the YOYO 1 & 3.
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This is a picture of Dal Salas, it hangs in my shed shed along with picture of so many friend and mentors it would be hard to name them all.
I hope you all enjoy this. I am sure many of you can add to this. Like I said this is how I remember it, the best I can.
Great collection that is clearly full of great memories. Thanks.
Mark
Wow, memory lane right there. Thanks for sharing.
Great information. Thanks for posting.
John
I grew up on the So Cal docks. My grandfather knew Dale Salas and I grew up fishing jigs from him. Those bone jigs bring back a lot of memories. I used to row troll with them in the mouth of Oceanside harbor and just outside on flat days. When the bonito and barracuda were hot the bone jigs could not be beat. I did cast the smaller ones into the rocks for bass and every now and again a croaker , but the best was row trolling just as slow as I could to make the boat go forward.
Thanks, I apreciate the memories, time to open a beer.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on April 30, 2013, 04:42:25 AM
I grew up on the So Cal docks. My grandfather knew Dale Salas and I grew up fishing jigs from him. Those bone jigs bring back a lot of memories. I used to row troll with them in the mouth of Oceanside harbor and just outside on flat days. When the bonito and barracuda were hot the bone jigs could not be beat. I did cast the smaller ones into the rocks for bass and every now and again a croaker , but the best was row trolling just as slow as I could to make the boat go forward.
Thanks, I apreciate the memories, time to open a beer.
Ron
Oh the memories...
As a young kid (10yrs+) I used to get dropped off at Camp Pendleton side of O-side harbor in the morning, fish all day from the rocks of the breakwater. I used to stuff mesh citrus bags with mussels and crabs, smash them with rocks and then toss the bag into the drink just off the rocks near my favorite holes. Before long I'd have a frenzy of mackerel, croaker, corbina, perch....sometimes sharks....halibut...bonita....cuda.....LIZRDFISH : >:(......
I fished the pier for countless hours, never caught much. Fished the powerplant lagoon a whole bunch, fishing was good there at times. Fished every jetty in north county for sure......
Gramma was so trusting of me and the public. She would just drop me off with my gear and come back for me at dark. I bet I bugged the bujeezus out of every old-timer with a rod who ever cared to fish where I could see him. "Hey mister, catch anything? WHatcha using? Whats this? WHats that? WHats the biggest fish you ever caught? Do you have a boat? I wish I had a boat. Will you show me that knot? " SO many of those men were probably pretty happy to have me around- some were homeless Vets I think. There were a few grouches- not many.
OK,
So I was fishing Oceanside between the late 70s to early 90s. When were you there?
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on April 30, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
OK,
So I was fishing Oceanside between the late 70s to early 90s. When were you there?
Ron
Most of the 80's until we moved to NorCal. If you ever saw a young kid all by himself scrambling all over the rocks or plunking up and down the pier- no tackle box- just a brown-bag usually- might have been me. Was he super annoying?-Definitely me. Sometimes just a handline, but then an old Conolon spinning rod missing about 8 inches and two eyes- with crusty Mitchell 300 ......and then my brother bought me an Ugly-STick with a Ryobi reel, and some gangster punks on the pier were going to beat me up and steal it....I think they saw something in my eyes that told them to leave me alone- I probably would have gutted them to save that rig. We moved north as things in O-side/Vista were really starting to get bad.
Sounds just like me, wonder if we ever crossed paths. Most of my time on the rocks were on the harbor side.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on April 30, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
Sounds just like me, wonder if we ever crossed paths. Most of my time on the rocks were on the harbor side.
Ron
Oh I fished the little pier in the harbor- and the rocks from the boat ramp all the way out - plenty of time on that side. I used to go into that candy shop and just drool......never had any money..I'd see kids dropping $10 on jawbreakers, rock candy, taffy- i'd be thinking "holy$#%@ kid do you not see the turtles?" I stopped into the harbor last time I was driving back from Baja- stayed the night in my camper in the parking lot, walked along the rocks in the morning and relived some very fond memories.
Well you got me going. So here goes. I was 7 and nuts about fishing, still am. There were three barges at Cabrillo beach in the LA harbor. I could be dropped of and be safe without parental supervision. If I didn't have the $1.25 to get on the barge (Wayne the owner would let me on) I sold fish to people on the barge, and people walking along the breakwater. That paid my way and usually paid for a burger, and Cokes. I got to know Billy Rice who owned the bait boat "Sunshine II". I also got to know the Barracuda jerk line fisherman. Jerry Cruz, Stan Smith, and Bob Stapp. Bob built skiff to fish with. He got so good at it that he mostly quit fishing. He called his company " Seaway Boat". He made the finest plywood boats on the west coast. Boats for Lobster, Life Guard boats, Sport, etc. Billy Rice asked me to help with bait some time later. Thru that I started to know the people at Twenty Second Street Landing. I Started fishing half day boats on the Star Angler, with John Warbe (not sure of the spelling). The owner of the landing Frank Hall treated me like a son. His first boat was the Offshore. When he built the Sharp Shooter he sold the Offshore to Bruce Barns, who sold it to my wife's uncle Clayton Baldwin. As a lot of you know Bruce moved his next boat the Qualifier to San Diego. Anyway I ended up at Norms Landing, spending a lot a time on the Catalina Special with Jim Egan. Also on any other boat I could dead head on. Gene Yokum and Herb Curley showed up at the landing and started running the Valencia. Gene would let me ride, but he scared the #### out of me. He and Herb split the money down the middle. Neither one of the had a captains license. Every body knew them and just assumed the were licensed. Herb was 17 years older than me but we hit it off. Both of us were nuts about fishing. We were life time friends. We owned boats together, fishing as much as possible. The memories and names go on and on. Barnes, Boop Shear, Bill Knot, Bill Poole, etc. Mostly I buy ticket now, but I am still am a dead head at heart. Your memories are important. I love to hear about places and the people. As I listen many names pop up. This community of fishing is a small would. If we talk long enough we will all have people we know. Hope you don't mind me rambling on. Mahalo.
Quote from: Normslanding on May 01, 2013, 12:06:36 AM
Well you got me going. So here goes. I was 7 and nuts about fishing, still am. There were three barges at Cabrillo beach in the LA harbor. I could be dropped of and be safe without parental supervision. If I didn't have the $1.25 to get on the barge (Wayne the owner would let me on) I sold fish to people on the barge, and people walking along the breakwater. That paid my way and usually paid for a burger, and Cokes. I got to know Billy Rice who owned the bait boat "Sunshine II". I also got to know the Barracuda jerk line fisherman. Jerry Cruz, Stan Smith, and Bob Stapp. Bob built skiff to fish with. He got so good at it that he mostly quit fishing. He called his company " Seaway Boat". He made the finest plywood boats on the west coast. Boats for Lobster, Life Guard boats, Sport, etc. Billy Rice asked me to help with bait some time later. Thru that I started to know the people at Twenty Second Street Landing. I Started fishing half day boats on the Star Angler, with John Warbe (not sure of the spelling). The owner of the landing Frank Hall treated me like a son. His first boat was the Offshore. When he built the Sharp Shooter he sold the Offshore to Bruce Barns, who sold it to my wife's uncle Clayton Baldwin. As a lot of you know Bruce moved his next boat the Qualifier to San Diego. Anyway I ended up at Norms Landing, spending a lot a time on the Catalina Special with Jim Egan. Also on any other boat I could dead head on. Gene Yokum and Herb Curley showed up at the landing and started running the Valencia. Gene would let me ride, but he scared the #### out of me. He and Herb split the money down the middle. Neither one of the had a captains license. Every body knew them and just assumed the were licensed. Herb was 17 years older than me but we hit it off. Both of us were nuts about fishing. We were life time friends. We owned boats together, fishing as much as possible. The memories and names go on and on. Barnes, Boop Shear, Bill Knot, Bill Poole, etc. Mostly I buy ticket now, but I am still am a dead head at heart. Your memories are important. I love to hear about places and the people. As I listen many names pop up. This community of fishing is a small would. If we talk long enough we will all have people we know. Hope you don't mind me rambling on. Mahalo.
Seaway is a heck of a boat!
Please ramble on. Tell us more. I would love to sit on a sunny jetty with you, rod in hand and listen to whatever you had to say. The best people from my life would ramble about fishing- I aim to ramble myself.
Quote from: Joel.B on April 30, 2013, 07:34:10 PM
Quote from: noyb72 on April 30, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
OK,
So I was fishing Oceanside between the late 70s to early 90s. When were you there?
Ron
Most of the 80's until we moved to NorCal. If you ever saw a young kid all by himself scrambling all over the rocks or plunking up and down the pier- no tackle box- just a brown-bag usually- might have been me. Was he super annoying?-Definitely me. Sometimes just a handline, but then an old Conolon spinning rod missing about 8 inches and two eyes- with crusty Mitchell 300 ......and then my brother bought me an Ugly-STick with a Ryobi reel, and some gangster punks on the pier were going to beat me up and steal it....I think they saw something in my eyes that told them to leave me alone- I probably would have gutted them to save that rig. We moved north as things in O-side/Vista were really starting to get bad.
Do you remember Helgren's boat the Tortuga? She originally was over by the Electra (my favorite boat EVER) but then they moved her to T dock. My Gramps boat was 2 slips up from her, the first honest money I ever earned was washing the chovie guts off of her every night. She was close enough that we could fish off the back of our boat and hear the click run when we got a bite. If the croaker were thick it would take all night to get the Tortuga clean because we were too busy fishing! The deck hand paid my cousin and I 5 bucks to split, with my $2.50 I could go to the candy store and buy a few penny jaw breakers and tootsie rolls, then I would get a coke and a pack of cigarettes from the club at the end of the shops. I'd save what was left over throughout the week and usually have enough for fish and chips on Friday. God has gifted me with several periods in my life that were wonderful, but I was honestly KING OF THE WORLD back then.
Ron
Yes I remember. I helped (a little) build the Electra, at Drake Craft. In his last few years Frank Hall kept asking me to come down to Oceanside and fish with Dick. I didn't do it and Frank passed away. That will be a regret I have for the rest of my life. Over the years I would see Dick here and there. Dick, Jim Egan, and Rodney Majesky went to school together. They were also friends with Hap Jackobs. Many will remember Jacobs surf boards. Hap also owned the Shell fuel dock in Redondo Beach harbor. Rodney just had his 80th birthday, there were only a few from the fishing world at the party. Dave Wilson, Bob Baldwin who is my wife's brother, and also Chuck Graham. The Toronado was the twin to the Electra. Norm Hagen (owner of Norms Landing) had promised Jim the next new boat he would build, that was the Toronado. Well the first day the Toronado carried passengers I show up to go fishing well that didn't happen. I walked down the dock and when I ran into Egan he said " you have to work, the deckhand did not show up. Well it was a good fishing day, we caught over 250 Barracuda, 7 Yellowtail, one Seabass, and a Mako. I have to jump around it time here and there. As a tidbit enters my head, here is one. Back in the 80's I went down to Twenty Second street landing to see Tony Capeluto, who was on the Montecarlo. Frank Hall was in the landing office, he said hay come here. At the time he was making a Squid brail. We talked about this and that. We talked about the boat Offshore which he built. The boat was always bow heavy. Billy Hilton bought the boat and took it up north some where. He started to rebuild it. When the deck was removed he found a 671 Jinny diesel in the bow compartment. That solved the bow heavy issue. Frank Hall had put it up there and forgot about it.
Such memories I could go on and on. I know you all have many. I will share one more. When Herb Curley decided to retire we had a going away party.
The picture of it is on the wall in my shed. This is a list of people ( truly a walk thru time) at the party. Larry Brooks, John Warby, Jerry Cruz, Mike Reed, Jim Peterson, Billy Vernon, Larry Goldfarb, Bill Knott Sr, and Jr, Chuck Graham, Con Kearney, Stan Smith, Joel Ellis, Bob Stapp, Joe Miller, Joe Phillips, Dicky Powell, Herb Curley, and myself. This list is what was a lot of the history in LA, and Long Beach. More than half of them are gone. Hope you enjoy, and remember some of these guys.
I have a question about those two bone jigs, I've bought several of those thinking they could be cast, can they? I've never tried it, because they are very expensive and I've a really poor caster with a conventional reel.
As to casting a bone jig, why not. Tady copied a Baldys and they are plastic.
Does "Baldy" refer to Bud's tackle shop at the base of the Newport pier? Not sure what it's called now, more of a beach toy store last time I went by the pier.
Brendan.
The name "Baldys" is a plastic double hooked trolling lure that was mostly used by commercial Albacore Jig boats. They were also used on sport boat jig lines. Most guys that trolled on sport boats did not troll Baldys. As to the connection to Newport I don't think so. I have talked to a few people and they to do not think so. Hope this helps.
WOW. I'M ALMOST SPEECHLESS. JUST FOUND THIS THREAD, AS I DON'T VISIT THIS SITE OFTEN. GREAT PIX OF JIGS AND THEIR HISTORY. LIKE OTHERS WHO'VE COMMENTED, I COULD LISTEN AND SOAK IT UP FOR HOURS. PLUS NEW KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'VE SHARED! I JUST GOT A "BANANA" JIG IN A PILE OF IRON I ACQUIRED. WHAT A THRILL TO SEE YOU LISTED AND NAMED IT!. I JUST
THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE CRAP "HOMIES", WHAT I CALL THE PLETHORA OF HOMEMADE IRON THAT CAME FROM GARAGES ALL OVER SO CALIF. I'M SURE SOME OF IT WORKED JUST FINE ON THE BARRACUDA POPULATION BACK IN THE DAY.
THRILLED. SO WHO MADE THE ORCAS? BARTENDERS? SECO? HOMICIDES?
DID SALAS EVER MAKE A TREBLE J-POT? TO THIS DAY THE DIMPLE WHERE THE SCREW WENT IS STILL VISIBLE ON RECENT PRODUCTION MODELS.