What can I do to my Penn 200 to Improve it's performance?
Turn it into a 100.... ;D Mine have SS gear sleeves, SS AR dogs, longer handle arms, Carbontex drag washers and aluminum spools. The Surfmaster is a good reel as is too.
P-10 Tiburon frame. 5 stack drag, ss sleeve, dog and Aluminum spool. ;)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_22171_zps866aa978.jpg)
I forgot the Tiburon P-16 frame on one of my 100's.
The best upgrades I have found are Alan's SS gear sleeve ,Bryan's 5+1 drag, Lees SS dog , a better handle and lastly Pro Challengers heavy spacing sleeve . I just did the spacing sleeves on my surfmasters and am impressed . The sleeve takes out almost all handle slop and improves the feel keeps the gear train in alinement under load. You can spend more money for a different frame and or change the size to a 150 or 100 . Doug
Okay now I got the answers on what can be done, since I'm not a reel expert can anyone show me just what they have done. I have the schematics for the reel and have been looking at the parts you mentioned. Is there an example of the new parts any ware on site?
Maybe some ware I could get the cost of these parts.$$$
SS Gear Sleeve ~ $23 shipped - Alan/Bryan
5+1 Drag Kit ~ $27 shipped - Bryan/Alan
SS Dog ~ $3 plus shipping - Lee/Alan/Bryan
SS Handle Arm ~ $13 plus shipping - Alan/Bryan
3/0 Handle ~ $27 plus shipping - Alan/Bryan
Pro Challenger Spacing Sleeve ~ $3.75 available at www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc
This is my only stickied post and it just happens to be on upgrading the 200. ;D
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9329.0
Then you turn them into this. ;) 100,150,200 and 250 Surfmasters.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_23491_zpsb749b0af.jpg)
There are lots of info and pics on these, here is another that might be helpful:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6391.0
Thank you guys now all I have to do is save some pennies for the items Bryan posted.
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 19, 2014, 08:09:34 PM
Thank you guys now all I have to do is save some pennies for the items Bryan posted.
Good call, pennies fit perfectly in the 5-60 gears, make yourself some washers ;) ;D.
You may be joking but I have made washers out of pennies, and when I was in the service I made a ring out of a silver dollar using a spoon to shape it and then drilled out the center. ;D
I cleaned up the 200 last night just to get it prepared for the upgrade and I used the white vinegar to clean up the reel stand. It did a great job.
Just please do not replace those Edison screw type fuses with a penny. That is how houses burn down.
Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ::)
Quote from: Bryan Young on December 20, 2014, 03:29:55 PM
Just please do not replace those Edison screw type fuses with a penny. That is how houses burn down.
Aluminum foil works much better....NOT!!!!!
You guys are dating yourselves with these old tricks,weather you realize it or not.
No, I made a spacer not long ago, maybe two weeks ago ;D.
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 20, 2014, 05:12:13 PM
You guys are dating yourselves with these old tricks,weather you realize it or not.
Hahaha. I still see incident reports of this mainly from the mid-west of homes that have not yet been updated electrically. I also see incident report where open wire are still running in attics and people get electrocuted by touching them. I haven't been around when they were done, but am young enough to still see the incident reports. :(
There are still lots of homes here in the eastern side of the state with fuse boxes, It's always a nightmare when I do renovations. I have to deal with fuses and Knob and tubing. ::)
Our house has exposed wire and ceramic posts.
That's scary Lee!
When I was young. That's before dirt, ::) We lived in a home with fuze box and exposed wire and a Coal stove to cook on as well as supply heat. I know some old barns in our area are still that way as far as electricity is concerned. Tell ya the truth I miss those old days.
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 20, 2014, 11:52:18 PM
When I was young. That's before dirt, ::) We lived in a home with fuze box and exposed wire and a Coal stove to cook on as well as supply heat. I know some old barns in our area are still that way as far as electricity is concerned. Tell ya the truth I miss those old days.
Me too ;). In the winter I still make my breakfast on the wood burning stove every weekends in the back room;D.
Knob and tubing is actually safe, as long as you don't mess with it. Here they're now pushing homeowners to rewire the hole house or they won't insure it. :-\ It isn't cheap.
At one time in my life the State of Alaska accused me of being an electrician and I have enough Romex too do the job. As long as things are left alone bare wires and ceramic posts are safe. My barn is all in ridged conduit and wired 12ga and 8ga THHN wire.
Quote from: Bryan Young on December 19, 2014, 06:46:38 PM
SS Gear Sleeve ~ $23 shipped - Alan/Bryan
5+1 Drag Kit ~ $27 shipped - Bryan/Alan
SS Dog ~ $3 plus shipping - Lee/Alan/Bryan
SS Handle Arm ~ $13 plus shipping - Alan/Bryan
3/0 Handle ~ $27 plus shipping - Alan/Bryan
Pro Challenger Spacing Sleeve ~ $3.75 available at www.mkt.com/pro-challenger-llc
I was going to start with the Pro Challenger Spacing Sleeve since it was the only item that I couldn't get here. Went to there site and they mention three different lengths. Is there a standard for the Surfmaster 200? I haven't taken the reel down to parts yet,simply because I don't want to leave it that way for a long period of time and possibly loose something or forget what the heck I was doing. I'm now building a new Rod for the lady in my life so that takes presidents over everything else,got to keep my wife happy. ;D
Update: I measured the sleeve today and the nearest they have at Pro Challenger is a 10.47mm which should work fine,the stock one in the reel is 10.27mm.
I took this picture today after cleaning up the Surfmaster 200.
Beautiful job, 224 --
That turned out like new.
Those old 100, 150, 200, and 250 Surfmasters are really excellent reels -- especially with the thumb screw head side to quickly change out a spool when the line gets messed up during a hot bite.
Thanks for showing.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred coming from you and seeing your work: It's a well taken complement. We are going to our Dentist after the holidays for our general exams and I told my wife while we are there I'm going to see if he can hook me up with an Ultra sonic cleaner, he is an avid saltwater fisherman as well. ;)
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 21, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
Is there a standard for the Surfmaster 200?
It depends on how your drag stack is set up. Try to get some used dental picks too.
Yep, today it isn't easy to answer that question for the size of the spacer, there are too many options.
If you replace the washers and keep the configuration as the original, the 12.50mm will do.
If you use Bryan's 5 washers kit, the 12.50mm could work but you will need to use the stock tension spring and not the belleville, the 11.50mm would come handy if you use the belleville.
If you use Lee's insert, the 12.50mm should also work .
Since these sleeves fit most reels, from the 9 to the 113, it is a good idea for you to grab some of each. Those will help, especially if you cut your own washers, or if you get the deeper gears from Prochallenger.
The size available are: 10.50mm - 11.50mm - 12.50mm....all are useful.
Did I confuse you yet? ;D...basically, play with different combinations and see what works best for you. I like all my reels to start soft, some don't.
Good luck!
Sal
Not confused ??? well maybe a little..the stock sleeve measured 12.50, so if I go with the parts that Bryan suggested would that mean that I need a shorter sleeve then the stock one, there measurements were 10.47, 11.50,12.50. Not sure what the new style drag stack would measure compared to the stock stack. It would seam that at this point I need to measure the stock drag stack and then know the new stack height to determine the length of sleeve. Or in the sequence of parts that Bryan mentioned is there other factors that change that distance? I hope I splained that right :o ???
Quote from: Keta on December 22, 2014, 08:39:30 PM
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 21, 2014, 12:32:50 PM
Is there a standard for the Surfmaster 200?
It depends on how your drag stack is set up. Try to get some used dental picks too.
The dental picks I have from doing my gun work. This measurement for drag stacks I haven't determine yet. I have no idea what the new stack would measure.
Stick with the 12.5. The stack can be rearranged to fit. You can do it Buddy. ;)
Don't get overwhelmed. Take it as you go. ;) One step at a time. ;D
When I came here, I didn't know squat. Pay attention to these guys.
They won't steer you wrong. :)
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 23, 2014, 12:19:55 AM
The dental picks I have from doing my gun work. This measurement for drag stacks I haven't determine yet. I have no idea what the new stack would measure.
Neither do we ;D. As I mentioned earlier, there are lots of options. Get the parts and listen to the reel, it will let you know what you need to do.
For instants, if the star is bottoming out...hitting the right side bushing, you will need a longer spacer. If your star doesn't have much travel, you will need a shorter spacer. I'm sure you'll figure it out on your own, if not, we're here to help.
Thank you guys. I wasn't trying to make a mountain from a mole hill, some times I tend to over kill or over analyze things.
I will always listen to advice. The thing that upsets me is when you are trying to explain something to someone that has asked a question and they say. "I know,I know" Well if ya know the answer;Why the heck did you ask me. ::)
My daddy always said. ("open yer ears,close yer mouth and open yer mind"). you'll learn a lot more that way son. ;)
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 23, 2014, 04:54:12 PMI will always listen to advice. The thing that upsets me is when you are trying to explain something to someone that has asked a question and they say. "I know,I know" Well if ya know the answer;Why the heck did you ask me. ::)
I know.... ;D
You can always shorten the longer SS spacer with a sharpening stone too. I like my reels set up with little star travel. I try for zero to very slight pressure on the stack with the star backed out all of the way. Another way to adjust this is with keyed spacer washers.
Quote from: Reel 224 on December 23, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
"Open yer ears, close yer mouth and open yer mind."
Indeed, just so. Or, as a wise person once told me when I very much needed to hear it: "Take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth." :-X
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Quote from: Reel 224 on December 23, 2014, 04:54:12 PM
Thank you guys. I wasn't trying to make a mountain from a mole hill, some times I tend to over kill or over analyze things.
Don't ever get the feeling that you're bothering us with your questions, I can speak for all of us, we don't mind one bit. That's what we're here for.
I could see that it gets a little confusing at times, the reason is that we're constantly trying to change things for the better ...or worse ;D.
It should all iron out soon, maybe in another 20 years from now ;D. I might not be around by then to see it :( ;D.
Don't hold back ask any question any time.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on December 23, 2014, 07:19:08 PM
Don't ever get the feeling that you're bothering us with your questions, I can speak for all of us, we don't mind one bit. That's what we're here for.
Yup!
Thanks again guys. I was just explaining my nature of how and why. Ill be asking many questions in the future, this reel repair and modification is fairly new to me. I have done Gun alterations and modifications for some 38 years or more, and still learn new things. We all can learn from each other.
Me I love to tinker with things and try to improve them, that's what makes a place like this fun to come to.
There's a lot of 'Guests' viewing that probably have those same questions but are afraid to ask. I always figure that both questions and answers are for a larger audience.
We will all try to do our best to answer any questions -- and you will likely do the same.
The only "dumb" question -- is the one not asked.
All the best,
Fred