Been away from the board for a long time, but this has helped me rescue reels before. Tried searching the internet and board didnt find what I was looking for. I can't fully understand the schematic in this area.
Recently bought a BG4000 and loved it, fished it all summer. Decided to pick up a BG6500, was playing with it in the store and said it was to big, so bought a BG5000, I screwed up didnt bench test it as I was at checkout when changing my mind. Well that was in another state and now I am home and the bail doesnt even try to remotely close, playing around a little bit but can't get it working. Then I noticed, I look at the BG4000 and on the bottom, I see what trips the bail, but I dont see what trips the bail on the BG5000, looks like a different mechanism, anyone have a picture and/or tips for what does it on the larger series, I assume this would be 4500-8000 from looking at the PDF. Thanks.
I know above a certain size they no longer auto close by cranking. The mechanism is different I believe.
https://www.thehulltruth.com/sportfishing-charters-forum/1208822-question-manual-bail-close-spinners.html
Great link on the hull truth... the part that confuses me, as I have heard of this, why have everything there to close it, such as the PIN, man that pin just looks like its waiting to hit something! Thanks though...
But I think I need to concede that you right...
:d
Quote from: CEShawn on October 23, 2022, 03:18:35 PM...why have everything there to close it, such as the PIN, man that pin just looks like its waiting to hit something!...
The economics of manufacturing. If a part had to be made for one model but another can utilize the same part minus some functionality/functionalities, then do so if cheaper than completely retooling for a slightly different design.
Hmmm.
One thing about manual close-only bails, less wear on various parts. Think about the stress and impact of the parts from the handle all the way up through to the bail system. I was surf casting Sunday with a mostly plastic Shimano Ultegra 14000 XTD. Something wasn't quite right as I hadda use too much cranking force to trip the bail over. Thankfully, it works both manually and automatically and I shifted over to manual. I'm sure this mostly plastic reel wouldn't hold-up too long with auto-bail trip only.
It's like slamming the door on a car or dry firing a centerfire pistol. One would be hard pressed to point to the specific damage being caused, but it's stress on moving parts that can be avoided.
I tend to disable the auto-close when it's an option. If I want my bail flipped I'll reach over and flip it.
I never use the manual close option, even if the reel I'm using has it, because I fish with both types and don't want to get into habit of trying to manually flip the bail over. I refuse to use a reel with an external bail trip and have yet to wear out a trip stud on an internal trip type reel.
Quote from: Porthos on October 24, 2022, 12:37:15 AMQuote from: CEShawn on October 23, 2022, 03:18:35 PM...why have everything there to close it, such as the PIN, man that pin just looks like its waiting to hit something!...
The economics of manufacturing. If a part had to be made for one model but another can utilize the same part minus some functionality/functionalities, then do so if cheaper than completely retooling for a slightly different design.
ditto... superfluous auto-bail features/parts might remain in rotor for balance
cheaper than modifying opposite side of rotor/counterbalance/bail
actually, something to consider for disabling
internal bail trips:
if you get rid of parts from the rotor on the bail-arm side,
you may need to shave some weight off the counterbalance
and distance from center matters, I think, so it's not 1:1 ::)
not lookin' for formula... labeling "too sciency"... punting :P
So you don't feel like calculating and summing the centroids of various connected objects?
Why fish at all if not for the excuses to do calculus? :d
I always close the bail by hand. Always...
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on October 24, 2022, 06:55:17 PMSo you don't feel like calculating and summing the centroids of various connected objects?
Why fish at all if not for the excuses to do calculus? :d
is it calc or trig? doesn't matter -- before I could bring myself to revisit either,
I'd be looking up that nice AT thread, on balancing the rotor MANUALLY on a cone
Bails that can't be manually closed can be frustrating,...e.g. Mitchell 300 and ABU cardinals.....