Greetings, I saw a post about this reel and was intrigued at the thought of a 2 speed spinning reel. I checked everyone's favorite auction site and found one. A quick pm to our resident dam expert ( thanks Fred) for some guidance and I was the only bidder and won the auction. The reel arrived on Saturday and is in very nice condition and everything works smoothly. The seller listed it as recently serviced that that appears to be the case. I was wondering if anyone has ever fished with one of these and what it is capable of? Any idea of drag numbers or if a drag upgrade is possible? Thanks Sheridan
I have 2 of the single speed Supers and have caught salmon up to 25 lbs and I know my Dad and Grandpa caught fish bigger when fishing in Alaska.
I also have used one for Ling cod fishing off the California coast , no problem handling Lings up to 17 lbs.
Drag #'s I don't know....
Best,
JT
Like Jonathan sez, these are tough & HD Salt Water reels.
Even the 2 speed is a pretty simple, straightforward affair -- like we are used to with D-A-M, typically overbuilt and strong.
The spool is metal -- so it will take modern Cal's greased CF drags after a little custom trimming.
The drag washers are small, with less surface then we are used to today -- but when CF'd with an extra washer or two on top of the 3 stack -- they perform well.
Do not know drag numbers -- but they are capable.
Introduced in 1962 -- discontinued a couple of years later -- fairly rare -- all parts are the same for the 270/275 -- except for the AR lever, and certain parts pertaining only to the 2 speed.
Low speed for cranking torque is 1:5-1, High Speed is 4:0-1.
If someone bought this reel new in 1962 at age 20 (55 years ago) -- they would now have been possibly retired for 13 years -- but the reel would be still going strong -- and not ready for retirement yet.
There are a few things to be aware of on these, such as regular maintenance, keeping the salt out, and proper lubrication both for performance and to help with salt repelling.
And there are ways to improve performance.
Pretty neat reels -- and with a purpose possibly ahead of their time.
Best,
Fred
Thanks, I mainly use spinning reels for catching bait with sabikis or surf perch fishing with grubs so this is a bit of new territory for me. I have a nos 12' silaflex blank that has this reels name written all over it. I'll pull the drag washers out measure them and see what I can do to improve it. Always a lot of fun trying new tackle. Thanks again Sheridan
Greetings it's been raining so no work for me so thought I'd see what I can do to improve the drag on this dam super 2 speed. Here's the drag washers next to a dime. The meal washers a thicker than the dime one washer has 2 ears on the outside the other two have one ear that fits in a groove in the shaft. Not sure what the drag material is but they're very hard and smaller in diameter than the metal washers. I'm sure carbon fiber would be a good start but if the metal washers were thinner I think it could be increased from a 3 to a five stack. Thoughts? Any ideas how I could pull this of? This is a beefy reel and I think it could handle some fairly heavy braid. Thanks Sheridan
:DHere is what I do on these, Sheridan --
Start with (2) under spool washers -- bottom is brass, top is Cal's greased CF.
Inside the metal spool, there is room for either a 4 or 5 stack -- but you must flat sand the metal drag washers thinner to fit -- no rough edges -- must be smooth and squarely flat-lapped.
I use Cal's greased CFs that are Penn -- 209 size -- put 4 or five on a bolt with 2 backing washers and a nut -- chuck them in a drill press or drill -- use a fine file to slightly reduce the diameter until they fit into the spool cavity without touching the sides.
Here is the order -- 4 would work easier -- and be plenty of drag -- but 5 could work too -- your call.
The under spool cf should have a smaller hole, like the brass washer there -- I just used this for an inline order example. Or Delrin would work there also. The factory drags are made of a hard material they called resistex
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred. Sanding washers isn't really in my wheel house so maybe I'll just Add the two washers under the spool. I have a set of 209 washers. I randomly checked a shimano sebona4000 I use for bait and the washers drop right in just need to drill the center a bit. I'll order a some to replace the old ones. Does the 2 washers under the spool interfere with the little clicker dog? Any modification needed there?
Here's a picture of the stock washers the 209 washers and the Sedona washers
No problem with spacing with the (2) washers under the spool, Sheridan --
Stock configuration is the brass then a resistex -- about the same thickness as the CF and brass.
Anything you do will improve an already strong reel.
Ideally, what we need is a 5 stack using thin SS and CFs -- as in Bryan's ultimate upgrade kit.
I have made these before, and they work good.
If you need any washers, keyed, or eared -- just let me know and I will send you what you need at N/C.
These old Supers are tough reels -- and I like to see them in service.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred, I think I'll take you upon that. I had an unfortunate incident in my youth involving a large spinning reel,40lb mono,a live squid and a big yellowtail. I've never used spinning reels since.I'm starting to rethink my position. I'm thinking this reel is good one to get my feet wet. Of course this leads this to having to build a rod to put it on. But first things first, Maximize the potential of this one. Thanks again Sheridan
Great reel Sheridan! 8)
Quote from: Swami805 on January 12, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Thanks Fred, I think I'll take you upon that. Thanks again Sheridan
Got your mailing info, Sheridan -- Thanks...
Since you have sourced the CFs (good job!) -- I will send a complete new drag stack that you can play around with.
Applying light Cal's drag grease on the CFs -- work it into the fiber with your fingers -- wipe off the excess -- it will be smooth as a hot knife through butter -- from startup to full lockdown.
Since this is a large, HD tough Salt Spinner -- with a metal spool -- I do not know the upper limits of it's drag range capabilities -- but it should work for you -- and has never let me down.
Try it with just (3) CF washers -- if you need more, you can add them after you flat lap the metal ones down.
Maybe we can source some really thin CFs -- like Bryan offers -- get the metal thinner -- end up with a 5 stack -- probably not much call for these -- except to us Vintage Quick, Mitchell, Penn -- Spinner Nerd-Heads -- but it would be fun.
Got 11 inches of rain in the last 5 days -- started snowing this morning -- looking out my shop window -- it is a good day to work on pumping out some reels.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred. This should be fun. I have a drag scale I use to set my drags for tuna fishing I'll play around with the washers to see what kind of numbers I can get.
You get real weather there. If it rains a little here 2 days in a row here we go on "storm watch".
Stay warm. Sheridan
I too find the Super to be a very interesting reel.
Very stout. What's the diameter of the spool on that?
I'm thinking excellent reel for a surf rod. Also good for dogging in big Shovelhead & Blue cats out of the river.
High 60's & rain here with a nice ice storm coming in Friday night. OH JOY!
The spool is about 2 3/4" wide 7(cm) about 1" deep (2cm) and about 1" wide. It should hold a decent amount of 50- 65lb braid. I was thinking maybe a good reel for throw poppers. Low gear would be handy.
Quote from: Swami805 on January 14, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
The spool is about 2 3/4" wide 7(cm) about 1" deep (2cm) and about 1" wide. It should hold a decent amount of 50- 65lb braid. I was thinking maybe a good reel for throw poppers. Low gear would be handy.
Thank you.
So about twice the size of, say a 110N.
I was thinking I should get a 270 for a parts reel. Are most of the parts interchangeable with the 275 2 speed. I know the gearing and mechanisim wouldn't be but how about all the other parts. The cost for one on the bay is so low even if I just needed a few parts it would make sense. Thanks Sheridan
That is what I would do, Sheridan...Good planning...maybe a couple...then build up a regular 270...and you have a back up reel with parts for both.
90% of the parts are a simple drop-in changeout -- same part numbers.
That is the nice thing about fishing Quicks -- they are relatively inexpensive, very capable, and bulletproof.
Sort of like when we used to go out to Kearney Bowl on Friday nights to see the Super Modified Hardtops run.
Sometimes they also had a destruction derby -- and the guy who would win typically was the driver who picked up an old Chrysler Aircraft Carrier, reinforced it -- and was the last car moving at the end of the night. The Fords and Chevys would die first.
Lots of metal -- and cheap to buy. Plus, because there was so much steel and free space between the bumper and the radiator -- even when just barely limping, and pouring fluids out of everywhere -- they won. An old Chrysler Mopar had more steel in one quarter panel -- then two new Hondas have in their complete assemblies.
Just my opinions.
Best,
Fred
Thanks Fred, I'll get a few for future reference, They're almost giving them away.
I had a 68 pontiac catalina I bought back in the day from a old lady for $300. 40,000 miles plastic seat covers with all the service records. Don't know that there was ever a bigger heavier car ever built. My kids were young and it served me well for a 100,000 miles. Horrible mileage but parts were cheap and plentiful and the thing never stranded me anywhere. I sold it for $500, the guy still has it,still runs. Would have made a great demolition derby car, glad it's still around. Good old Detroit iron.
Quote from: CH on January 14, 2017, 01:25:46 AM
Quote from: Swami805 on January 14, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
The spool is about 2 3/4" wide 7(cm) about 1" deep (2cm) and about 1" wide. It should hold a decent amount of 50- 65lb braid. I was thinking maybe a good reel for throw poppers. Low gear would be handy.
Thank you.
So about twice the size of, say a 110N.
The dam supers are way bigger than a 110. I use a 110 that Fred hooked me up with for smallmouth. Haven't used a whole lot since getting since I've been in duck hunting mode rather than fishing, now with all the rain we've had all the rivers are flooded making the fishing junk. Anyways not to long ago I got a regular dam super off the fleabay for cheap I was going to fix up for a paddle fish casting snagging rod. If I remember I'll take a comparison pic of the 110 and super. The super is pretty darn big about as big as spinners come/came. I planned on spooling mine with 60 pound braid maybe 80 some of the bigger paddle fish can really put up a fight when you get one after tossing and jerking nearly a pound of lead most the day you don't want to lose it. My boat snagging rod for when I go to Missouri to snag has penn 309 with 80lb braid. Thanks for tips on the carbon drags for the super I'm going to order up some of the sedona drag disc. Fred are those washers you have for the super stainless steel ones? That would be much better than the brass ones. On another note Fred I was hoping maybe I could trouble you for a spring washer for a dam 110 I picked up off fleabay for cheap that I'm going through now. Your 110 you sent me is awesome I like it enough I decided to get another to go through on my own.
sorry forgot to post these sooner as you can see the super is quiet big especially compared to a little 110
by the way the 110 pictured is the one fred put together for me great reel he did a great job on it.
Quote from: handyandy on February 02, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
by the way the 110 pictured is the one fred put together for me great reel he did a great job on it.
I imagine it's better than a new one. :)
I still own two 110's I bought new. Own three total. ( and two 110n's)
Just something about a 110 that hits me right. My favorite reel.
I have each spooled with a different weight line - 2 lb.- 4 lb.- 6 lb. on three different length & action rods.
1st Quick reel I ever owned and been loving them since. Going on 50 years now
BTW - thanks for the 110 & Super side by side pics. Been looking at Super's and wondering the exact size. Now I know. :)
The super is quiet large I plan on putting it on large rod for snagging paddle fish with 60lb braid or dacron most likely. I wanted a quality reel for in case I do get a really good fish on I don't want the reel to fail, but I didn't want to break the bank putting together a snagging combo that may get used a couple weekends a year. I'll use it for catfish too but rarely catch one that would test that reel as well as a occasional salt water trip to coastal GA where I have family. I think it will serve my needs well and is better than any other reel I could buy today for the money.
Quote from: handyandy on February 03, 2017, 07:07:37 PM
The super is quiet large I plan on putting it on large rod for snagging paddle fish with 60lb braid or dacron most likely. I wanted a quality reel for in case I do get a really good fish on I don't want the reel to fail, but I didn't want to break the bank putting together a snagging combo that may get used a couple weekends a year. I'll use it for catfish too but rarely catch one that would test that reel as well as a occasional salt water trip to coastal GA where I have family. I think it will serve my needs well and is better than any other reel I could buy today for the money.
Yeah....
I'm thinking a Super for big blues & shovels. Big carp. Freshwater......
I'm a Spin fisherman. Bait casters have their place but I prefer Spinners anytime they can be used.
Considered the Super for salt but I decided to go with new Penn reels for salt instead. Less muss & fuss.
Just ordered a couple new Penn spinners yesterday. They are the best as far as the new reels go IMHO.
BTW- the new Penn FRCII 1000 Fierce II Spinning Reel is a sweet ultralight for the new reels. Super smooth drag, nicely built, good price.