Cone and company,
You mentioned "springing" the dog in the 450SS, would you give details/pictures on this for the rest of us. If you know any other mods for the 450ss would you mention/link them as well?
Thanx,
Leo
Leo, Keta made some ratchets and dogs for some of the ss series reels. Unfortunately he never made any to fit the 450ss. :( The smallest reel he made a ratchet and dogs for was the 650/6500ss. I can show you what I did to the 6500ss but the ratchets and dogs wouldn't fit the smaller reels. Lee could make them. He just needs the time and encouragement from people here. ;)
Bob
Time.
Leo, here are a couple of pics. My photo fu is week but maybe they will help. This is a 6500ss.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/002_zps4d577c21.jpg) (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/FireandH2O/media/002_zps4d577c21.jpg.html)
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/003_zps1f97b902.jpg) (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/FireandH2O/media/003_zps1f97b902.jpg.html)
One pic is with the dogs engaged and the other is with them disengaged. The dogs are the same ones Lee made for the 7500 through 9500ss. You can see I had to bend the tail on the dog to make them work. He also gave me some that were rejects with the wrong angle on the tail. This may be a couple of them but I don't remember. You can't see the spring but I made some crude ones out of ss leader material. Bob
Cone,
You posted this thread to the post "Smaller Penn reels" in this section:
On the reels like the one Sal posted pictures of, there is only a silent dog. The eccentric only keeps it from engaging. The silver pieces on each side of the dog grip the ratchet. When the ratchet turns backward the dog engages. Sometimes you can squeeze them together and they will work again. I changed the silent dogs out for sprung dogs. They are noisy but more reliable. I like the noise though. Bob
I was asking about the bolded comment "I changed the silent dogs out for sprung dogs". I wanted to know how you did this to a 450ss?
Senior moment, Leo. I haven't done a 450ss but it would be just like changing out the silent dog on the 6500ss. You would have to make a spring for the dog. I had to tweak the spring I made. It was making the reel hard to turn. I had to go to lighter wire and adjust the way it was bent. It is very easy to reel now. I have put a spring on a silent dog before. I ripped off the ears and made a spring to get the reel working until I could get a new dog. Sorry for the confusion.
Bob
Leo, I have my grandkids this weekend. I just took the rotor off my 5500ssg. It was handy and it is basically the same reel. It works the same anyway. Tomorrow I will see if I have any ss I can make a dog out of. If I can I will lay one out and make one by hand and put it in this reel. I don't want you to say it can't be done. Bob
How close is a 4300SS dog and ratchet to this reel? I was given a box of "trash" reels the other day that contained 4 nice antique Pflueger level wind reels, 3 Mitchel 300's in good shape with spare spools, 1 Mitchel 3800 in good shape, a Penn 4300SS in very good shape and a never used Okuma spinner that had the handle nut gone.
Quote from: Keta on March 01, 2014, 04:45:12 AM
How close is a 4300SS dog and ratchet to this reel? I was given a box of "trash" reels the other day that contained 4 nice antique Pflueger level wind reels, 3 Mitchel 300's in good shape with spare spools, 1 Mitchel 3800 in good shape, a Penn 4300SS in very good shape and a never used Okuma spinner that had the handle nut gone.
Lee,
Its my understanding that the parts from the xx00SS series interchange with the XX0SS series. Its also my understanding that the only difference in the 400 series of reels (ie 420,430,450) are the rotors and spools. If this info is correct they should be the same?? This is the perfect time to clear this up.
Leo
Leo, The only scrap stainless I could find was way too thick. So, I took out the dog and tore off the ears. I had to file it to clean up what wouldn't come off. I drilled a hole in the dog and installed it using a stock Penn dog spring from a 7500ss. Here are the pics.
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/001_zpsfebcaf30.jpg) (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/FireandH2O/media/001_zpsfebcaf30.jpg.html)
(http://i1259.photobucket.com/albums/ii557/FireandH2O/003_zps0aa11df0.jpg) (http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/FireandH2O/media/003_zps0aa11df0.jpg.html)
It now clicks and still works. Now I need to find some stainless and make a new dog.
Bob
Thanx Bob, really appreciate your effort.
Quote from: LTM on March 01, 2014, 04:51:09 PM
Its my understanding that the parts from the xx00SS series interchange with the XX0SS series. Its also my understanding that the only difference in the 400 series of reels (ie 420,430,450) are the rotors and spools. If this info is correct they should be the same?? This is the perfect time to clear this up.
Leo
I took the 4300SS apart and it's nothing like the 750SS Sal gave me.
Lee, I don't remember all the changes Penn made. I do know the 7500 - 9500ss reels use the same dogs. The ratchets are different on the 9500ss. The difference in the 7500 and 8500 is the rotors and spools.
On the 420's, 430's and 450's I cant remember. I did look on MysticParts and check the 430ss and 450ss. If I remember correctly the part numbers for the dogs and ratchets are different. there is only a silent dog in the smaller reels. The ratchet also fits on the pinion and is not keyed to the rotor like the 7500ss and larger reels.
Maybe Sal can tell you. Bob
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Quote from: Keta on March 02, 2014, 02:44:53 AM
Quote from: LTM on March 01, 2014, 04:51:09 PM
Its my understanding that the parts from the xx00SS series interchange with the XX0SS series. Its also my understanding that the only difference in the 400 series of reels (ie 420,430,450) are the rotors and spools. If this info is correct they should be the same?? This is the perfect time to clear this up.
Leo
I took the 4300SS apart and it's nothing like the 750SS Sal gave me.
Lee, what I was saying from the above is that parts from the 4500ss will work on the 450ss, etc and visa versa. My comment on the 400 series being the same minus spools/rotors is what I think I read somewhere
Leo
The AR dog is inside the body not under the spool shroud.
Your right Lee. I think the dogs under the rotor started with The 3rd gen reels. Penn has been around so long and made so many changes its hard to remember. Then you throw in senior moments. I'm lucky I still can make it back home. :-[
Bob
It was easy to strip down and clean.
I just went and looked at the schematics. I was wondering because I have a 650ss. It has the dogs under the rotor. The only 2nd gen reels with dogs inside under the main gear are the 420ss and 430ss. Duh. You can tell by the body. They have the look of the z series reel with the bushing on the handle side. I don't have a 430ss but a look at the body would have jogged my memory. Bob
I'm planning on getting a spinning rod this yeas and trying the 4300SS on kokanee, and possibly steelhead.
I bet that will be fun.
I know this is an 8 month old thread, but I acquired a 450 ss in great shape for less than fifty bucks. The Anti Reverse dog wasn't working. I tore it all apart. It had some nasty blackened grease in there.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2638_zpscc8af970.jpg)
Cleaned everything up with brake cleaner and a tooth brush.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2640_zps1983d819.jpg)
Put the dog and all parts back under the rotor. Its working now.
Went ahead and finished putting in back together and now its not working again. >:(
I will fashion a spring so I don't have to deal with this anymore. Stay tuned.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2641_zps03695006.jpg)
After fiddling with trying to make a home made sprung dog. I realized there is no room in there and somebody already invented this wheel. I squeezed the tabs back together on the dog and it works fine now. ;D
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2643_zps1cf57a24.jpg)
Don't give up just yet buddy, there is an easy way and that baby sounds better than the bigger brothers .
I will post some pics when I get home. Not showing you up or anything like that, just helping out because that's what we do here. ;)
Later buddy...you will like it!
Sal
Can't wait! ;D
Ok Daron, here you go.
I didn't take a shot of the grove before insatlling the spring and can't remove it because I placed a drop of loctite on top of it, this is how I did it
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/010-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/010-11.jpg.html)
Freehand is not a problem cutting a slot on that post, just take your time
bend a flat spring as shown
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/011-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/011-11.jpg.html)
and set it in place
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/013-13.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/013-13.jpg.html)
showing it disengaged
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/009-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/009-11.jpg.html)
and engaged
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/006-11.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/006-11.jpg.html)
by the way, this is what I use on spinners, 50/50, much smoother that Penn blue, but only on spinners.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/004-23.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/004-23.jpg.html)
I don't really pack them too much
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/003-24.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/003-24.jpg.html)
this reel sound very nice and it really need it
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g431/pescatore1/001-19.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/pescatore1/media/001-19.jpg.html)
enjoy it!
Sal
Thank You Sal! I will. ;)
Thanks I will keep this in mind. I tried soaking my reel in Greased Lightning Degreaser no luck grease was still there. Now I was mad. The reel is in WD 40 bath. It's in over it's head now & grease is melting off.
Mike