I decided I'm gonna start using my fathers old 49 for local (Morro Bay) lingcod/rockcod fishing and I need suggestions on a old school rod to pair with it....
The reel is currently on its way to Alan's for an inspection, cleaning, repairs (if needed), spool install and line spooling....The plan is to keep it looking stock on the outside, except for a power handle, so I'd like an older rod to keep the esthetics...
What old school classic CA rod would you recommend?
Thanks
PJ
Sabre, honey lamiglas, or honey Calstar.
Quote from: thorhammer on April 19, 2018, 04:06:19 PM
Sabre, honey lamiglas, or honey Calstar.
Which models for Sabre and Calstar?
I wish I had enough of them for that info, PJ. Don't own a Calstar but fished Alan's. He may know.
By all means talk to Randy at VOT. He's got a bunch of vintage rods that would be perfect for that reel. I've seen them and some very nice period correct rods from several makers. They fish Great too
Great call. i forget you guys have Randy up close and personal.
30#? How about a 670? 40#? How about a 665h or 6465h?
I have a 8' truline octagon that I restored to factory down to the decal. Would be a good match for that reel. Pm me for details if you're interested. Normally I wouldn't sell it without knowing it was going to a home.
I fished it once on the endeavor and it works perfect for lingcod
Quote from: Swami805 on April 19, 2018, 10:12:25 PM
I fished it once on the endeavor and it works perfect for lingcod
nice!
Quote from: droppedit on April 19, 2018, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: Swami805 on April 19, 2018, 10:12:25 PM
I fished it once on the endeavor and it works perfect for lingcod
nice!
Dave show him a picture of your big Cod !! John Taylor
I was going to say Truline. That 8'er would be good as a wall hanger or not fished too often, the octagon rods had issues. Also if you are looking at a Sabre and you want a old school rod don't get a Penn Sabre
Don't forget Seeker's line of rods like the Classic in honey color and older Kencor's but for rods more older look for Harnell, Roddy Rods and Gary Loomis (Loomis Rods). Loomis is still around and owned by Shimano now so you will need it find a older rod.
Happy hunting.
Quote from: MarkT on April 19, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
30#? How about a 670? 40#? How about a 665h or 6465h?
Also for 40 lb a 6470, yeah it is a 7 footer but that blank is not made anymore so you know it is a little older. For 30 lb I like a 870 for live bait and the 970 which is a bit stiffer on the tip may be better for bottom fishing. I have a 970 in the black blanks that I like and still fish. I got the 970 because I like to really pull on fish, it will not load up as well as the 870 on medium to small baits but that really should not matter in bottom fishing. I also have another rod that's 8' for 30 lb test which is a newer blank and used for smaller live bait and surface iron but will not fit what the OP is looking for.
Oh I almost forgot if a California rod built in the 80's is old enough for you look for a GUSA (Graphite USA). Most people will not let these rods go unless their getting out of fishing, so they will be harder to find.
PJ, Offshore in New England the old Lamiglas HBT96S was the go to choice for cod fisherman. This was an extremely light rod but looked like a telephone pole. It is a thin walled blank with a number 28 top and a 1" butt, still it has a slow action that will bend all the way back to the handle. I love these! Lamiglas quit making these a number of years ago but the rod can be duplicated. It was made off the same pattern and mandrel as the SB136-3M. This is an 11'-4" blank and can be cut to the desired action. I still use these for making jigging rods and keep the cut to either a 26 or 28 tip then go 8' back. I still fish with my HBT96S and have pulled both the old and new rods without being able to tell the difference. The 49 was a popular reel to be matched on that rod, seen many of them. I use a Progear 3500 on mine with braid but the true classic way to fish it would be with dacron ;)
Hope this helps.
Dave
Would this rod work for me????
Original Sabre Grafast GF196-8 8'0" 8-25
Those rods are mainly for the 3 B's, bass, Bonito, and barracuda. They should be a good 15 lb to maybe 20 lb test. I have a black steel 196-8 that I use for Bass and such with a Newell 220 on it and 15 lb test. The grafast should be very similar
If it's honey colored glass with a dark graphite butt end those becoming collectible and if can get it for a reasonable price maybe buy it anyway. Too light for rockfish but there is a niche market for those. Factory wrap would be a plus too
Quote from: Swami805 on April 20, 2018, 06:38:59 PM
If it's honey colored glass with a dark graphite butt end those becoming collectible and if can get it for a reasonable price maybe buy it anyway. Too light for rockfish but there is a niche market for those. Factory wrap would be a plus too
Its a black colored blank and the seller says its been rewrapped...He said he'd take $75
Quote from: droppedit on April 20, 2018, 11:18:02 AM
PJ, Offshore in New England the old Lamiglas HBT96S was the go to choice for cod fisherman. This was an extremely light rod but looked like a telephone pole. It is a thin walled blank with a number 28 top and a 1" butt, still it has a slow action that will bend all the way back to the handle. I love these! Lamiglas quit making these a number of years ago but the rod can be duplicated. It was made off the same pattern and mandrel as the SB136-3M. This is an 11'-4" blank and can be cut to the desired action. I still use these for making jigging rods and keep the cut to either a 26 or 28 tip then go 8' back. I still fish with my HBT96S and have pulled both the old and new rods without being able to tell the difference. The 49 was a popular reel to be matched on that rod, seen many of them. I use a Progear 3500 on mine with braid but the true classic way to fish it would be with dacron ;)
Hope this helps.
Dave
Dave,
side question, what are using spar varnish on?
John
Quote from: thorhammer on April 20, 2018, 07:05:59 PM
Dave,
side question, what are using spar varnish on?
John
John, I've been doing a bunch of restorations, some hickory blanks, and the Neptuna rods have all been coated with spar varnish. 2 coats of spar on the thread and where I put the decal I give it a shot of spray varnish to seal the decal then another brush coat. In this thread http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=24737.0 in the bottom 3 pictures the rod on the bottom is the one with the spar, top picture they both have spar.
Sorry PJ, didn't mean to hijack your thread.
Dave
Still a nice sabre and a nice rod with a very soft tip but some back bone down low. The 196-8 was the go-to for fishing anchovies flylinig with 15-20 and a squidder 146. Not good for what you're looking for but might come in handy for swimbaits if you do shallow water rockfish. $75 is about right if it's in decent shape, if you have a use for a light line set up might be a good one to have. If it was me I'd buy it but I have a sickness for that sort of thing.
Quote from: Swami805 on April 19, 2018, 10:06:00 PM
I have a 8' truline octagon that I restored to factory down to the decal. Would be a good match for that reel. Pm me for details if you're interested. Normally I wouldn't sell it without knowing it was going to a home.
Swami, I reread my post about this rod and to me it sounded like I was dissing this rod. This was not my intention at all as a matter of fact I meant the exact opposite. You took great care in the restoration and when I said the octagon's had issues, well they did so not many are left but I didn't mean your rod has breakage issues. Being a rare rod and with the Trueline's being so sought after I didn't want someone to take a collectors piece and make it a every day fishing rod.
Sorry if there was any confusion.
No offense at all, I built this one for fishing, it's a 6'-6" blank that I extended to 8' for fishing. I apologize for not putting that in my post to begin with. I hope no one sees this as deception on my part as that was not my intention, I was in a hurry and just thru it out there. Sometimes I should think before I type, just didn't occur to me at the time. I even put it on the label that's it's not a genuine 8' truline just in case it passes thru me and some one tries to pass it off as one.
That being said it fishes really nice and would be cool on a 49 at about 1/5 the cost of the real McCoy. I wouldn't fish a real one either.
Hmm....does this mean I'm being foolish fishing my D8?
No, if you like it fish it, just be aware that some are worth some serious money. Couple of my buddies are big truline guys and bring them to me to re-wrap. They'll spend a wad of cash for an old beater. Those guy's love them and fish the heck out of them.
Not at all I was looking for a LM8 to fish but I went another route. The 8' octagons are a rare beast for sure and fetch top dollar. Most go into collections and are not fished.
Quote from: Swami805 on April 21, 2018, 05:31:07 PM
Couple of my buddies are big truline guys and bring them to me to re-wrap. They'll spend a wad of cash for an old beater. Those guy's love them and fish the heck out of them.
Plus they sound so cool on the lathe while doing the underwraps
Hahaha...It's an old round D8 that I bring on almost every trip. I've caught my 2 biggest yellows (32#) on it. I love that rod....matches up pretty good with my T4N1 also! ;D ;D ;D
How are you going to load the 49 and what are you looking to use it for?
What's the time frame PJ?
1940's split bamboo double built or hickory (Tycoon, Montague)
1950's Trevano tobacco rod (pre-Garcia/Narmco Conolon, California Tackle Cal-Royal, Roddy) or a Harnell.
1960's tobacco, pigmented or painted phenolic resin (Harnell, Lamiglass, translucent Fenwick, pre-Penn Sabre) or a Wonderod
1970's epoxy impregnated fiberglass (plenty to choose from)
1980's graphite
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on April 22, 2018, 07:52:39 AM
What's the time frame PJ?
1940's split bamboo double built or hickory (Tycoon, Montague)
1950's Trevano tobacco rod (pre-Garcia/Narmco Conolon, California Tackle Cal-Royal, Roddy) or a Harnell.
1960's tobacco, pigmented or painted phenolic resin (Harnell, Lamiglass, translucent Fenwick, pre-Penn Sabre) or a Wonderod
1970's epoxy impregnated fiberglass (plenty to choose from)
1980's graphite
-steve
It's a setup that will get fished so I'm thinking 70-80's
They still make the Lamiglas BT85 7S blank. It's been around for many years and has the classic slow action. Sometimes you can find the lakeland reel seats on ebay and combine that with hypalon grips and chrome wire guides and you are in business. The #49 would do that rod justice.
Dave