hi guys,
i recently had to clean the bearings of this reel. Therefor i had to remove the idler gear on the right sideplate. I cut of the dimple, cleaned both bb and installed the idler again by putting an e-clip on top. Since then i´ve got a rattling during cast which is driving me crazy. :-\
I treatet the idler and spool pinion with grease, oil and dry but had no result.
Maybe you encountered this problem before?
thx in advance, fritz1
Hi, Never had this happen, but I would re-look at the ball bearing in the idler. It may be siezed up, and buzzing from the friction of the bb and the post. Push comes to shove, try a plain idler from a present day C3, so the DIN tooth pattern will be the same as the one on the spool.
Hi
I changed the whole idler including the small bb, purchased from mikes rr, with no effect. But i noticed the original bb doesnt fit solid in the original idler, while the new one does. Could the spool pinion cause the trouble?
Thx fritz
I stripped the reel completely once again :) any part that i should pay special attention to avoid the rattle?
Thx fritz
Hi... I'm wondering if the rattle you are hearing is a clash of teeth on the spool gear, and the idler.....there are two DIN tooth patterns, that don't marry with each other. Pattern A idler will not marry with pattern B spool, and vice versa. it needs to be A/A, or B/B The spool gear on the Record is second generation DIN pattern.
http://www.abugarcia.com/sites/default/files/schematics/090109RCN60HC1500Titanium.pdf
http://www.abugarcia.com/sites/default/files/schematics/6500C3%201500.pdf
Those are DIN latest, and as seen, spool same as, on the record, and other round reels.
First DIN as below.
http://www.abugarcia.com/sites/default/files/schematics/6500C3%209902.PDF
hi,
they should delivered matching up from the factory. Put it back together and it is still noisy. Next and last step will be to change the bearings one after another. Standard size is 4x10x4, but there are two smaller ones. Did anyone measured the idler- and sideplate bearing before?
thx fritz
Hi F.... another thing to try would be to disengage all the flyweights and have your thumb ready for backlash possibilities. Sometimes the plastic screeches inside the ring on the brake plate. Some folks advocate a thin coat of lube in the ring, others not. I just take a q tip dipped in armor-all, and lightly wipe the circle.
The bb in the non-crank side plate will be a 3 x 10 x 4. The spool has the one way clutch brg, and one bushing and bb at 4 x 10 x 4.
thx ken i´ll give that a try. I would like to smooth up the spool pinion where it touches the axle. Which tools would you recommend?
thx fritz
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Quote from: fritz1 on August 15, 2013, 05:35:44 AM
thx ken i´ll give that a try. I would like to smooth up the spool pinion where it touches the axle. Which tools would you recommend?
thx fritz
ps:if someone feels disrespected by my nickname please contact me and i´ll change it instantly!
Hio, Fritz... There's a fellow in South Africa who posts at Mike's forum called FritzAbu... Fritz is a given name in many countries, along with an e-handle. Anyway... If you have a dremel tool or it's clone, I'd chuck a cotton bud (trade name q-tip), wetted with something like Vim, Brasso, silvo, etc, and wind 'er up inside the pinion. Up this way, we pay 16.99 for a dremel clone. I'd cut the shaft of the bud quite short, as the torque of the rotary tool will deform it, and cause it to wreck.
Ok, i'll try and share the result.
Thx fritz
Ain't nothing wrong with Fritz! I'm Henry Detlef, son of Heinrich, grandson of Johannes. Fritz is a great name
all right...
is there any effect on polishing the wormgear and pawl. If so, how do you treat the grooves?
thx fritz
There's a great guide on tuning old Ambassadeur's by Tim Parrat posted on Realsreels.com. It covers every part that benefits from polishing.
http://www.realsreels.com/servicing/ReelTuningoldAmbassadeurs.pdf (http://www.realsreels.com/servicing/ReelTuningoldAmbassadeurs.pdf)
You can polish the ends of the wormgear. If you want to improve the pawl I think you have to with a ceramic one, but I don't know if there are any that fits your reel.
Quote from: fritz1 on August 17, 2013, 07:15:51 AM
all right...
is there any effect on polishing the wormgear and pawl. If so, how do you treat the grooves?
thx fritz
If it was me, I _would_ install a ceramic line pawl...as per Mandelstam's above. It will do its thing in very short order...taking care of any burrs left over from machining the worm, smoothing things out nicely.
A ceramic line pawl can last up to 10 times longer, depending on how silty the water is, for just under double the cost of a metal one... which is a pretty good deal. Line pawls are the same from a 1500 on up to a 7000 and beyond, for the SE round reels.
hi,
very nice guide, thx. The ceramic pawl sounds a great deal, will they be louder like the bearings do?
I´m not done with the bearings yet :) Are you able to describe the bearings sound, fine and faulty, by a video? I guess a channel related to this board, perhaps on you...., would be an incredible addition.
thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on August 18, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
hi,
very nice guide, thx. The ceramic pawl sounds a great deal, will they be louder like the bearings do?
Hi, F.. No.. the ceramic line pawl once fished for about a week, is very quiet. Noisy (rattly) ball bearings must be dry...try a drop of a light oil like 3 in 1, or the oil that came with the reel, in the brgs.
Hi,
I cleaned the bearings and changed to the new idler with the open brg. There is no piping anymore, but i noticed the centrifugal brake assembly being loose after a few times serviced. Could this cause the rattle? If so, how would you fix it?
thx fritz
Hi guys,
There is another thing i noticed a few days ago. If i turn the handle and press the thumbbar, the handle keeps turning about 2 seconds. Is there to much friction between the pinion and the axle?
Thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on August 29, 2013, 06:11:48 PM
Hi guys,
There is another thing i noticed a few days ago. If i turn the handle and press the thumbbar, the handle keeps turning about 2 seconds. Is there to much friction between the pinion and the axle?
Thx fritz
Hi, Fritz. Are you doing some sort of static test by turning the handle and hitting the thumb bar at nearly the same time?
Also: to possibly take care of excessive spool side play, pull the brake puck, and clap in a couple of 13104's.
If you have a 6-puck pack, do not put it on upside down. You will not be happy if you already have, or do so as you add the 13104's.
Hi there,
What material is the o-ring under the spool tension bearing made of?
Thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on January 03, 2014, 05:07:39 PM
Hi there,
What material is the o-ring under the spool tension bearing made of?
Thx fritz
Morning/Afernoon/Evening, Fritz. I cannot positively say, but based on North American 0-rings, I suspect it is either Buna-N rubber, or an Ethylene-propylene compound. If yours is compressed and gone flat, therefore not making friction, but not broken, you can carfully remove it from the boss with a blunt needle, and wrap a few turns of 4 lb. monofil in the groove, then re-install the 0-ring. This fattens it back up for a long time, till you get a spare.
Before removal, I would make sure you have a spare from another reel not in use at the moment. Now and then, no matter how careful you are, the 0-ring breaks. This can occur when you use the pick, and see many cracks all over the ring. Or if you stretch the ring too much as you pick it free. Eeb, eh? has them on all the time..I got 100 for 4.50 and stamps. Hope that helps. HNY, KD
Hi guys,
I changed the gear ratio from 6.3 to 5.3 via main gear and pinion. Now the reel does fell very rough.
Can this be minimized by usage, or should i try another set of gears?
Thx fritz
Quote from: fritz1 on February 13, 2014, 03:39:01 PM
Hi guys,
I changed the gear ratio from 6.3 to 5.3 via main gear and pinion. Now the reel does fell very rough.
Can this be minimized by usage, or should i try another set of gears?
Thx fritz
New or used gearset? When you engage cast, how much side play does your spool do? Check on the bench by moving spool side to side manually, and see how much you get. You don't want much at all.
Hi ken,
This is a new gear set directly from abu. On the new set i got a little sideplay depending on the tension i supply. But if i try to increase tension too much, the spool semms to touch the frame somewhere.
Thx fritz
Whats wrong ken ?
Hi. Your symptoms are fascinating. These are first time issues here, I've never seen these pop up on other forums I visit, I have suspicions as to what's going on with the spool. The gearset should quiet down after a little crank time on the water. How is the pinion yoke? Any signs of curyley-Q's of plastic anywhere.
The Record is a special breed of ultracast. The spool cap does not adjust casting tension. It adjusts the side to side play of spool to frame. Put reel in cast mode, feel the side to side play, and adjust the cap to your specs.
From your report, it sounds like you adjusted the cap too far, causing the spool to catch on the LH side of the frame.