So the other day I ran into a guy who has a magnetic conversion on a Abu Reel ( a round one ) not a Revo , when I cast this monster the lure went out about 80 yards or so , quite impressive , that got me thinking , has anyone done this on a low profile reel like the Revo Toro Winch ??? If so , HOW ??? Is there a kit for these ??? Help ?? :)
Hi,
Send Russ @ Blackdog Tackle an email - He does adjustable mag kits for Abu and other reels.
Check this link for details:
http://www.blakdogtackle.com/?cPath=56_128
Alternatively it is rather quite easy to mag a reel by using a small stainless steel disc or washer (preferably one with magnetic properties doh!).
Epoxy that to the lefthand side plate. Its position should roughly line up to the inside edge of the spool. The secret with the magnets is to use
neodymium (a rare earth magnet). Simply add 1 or more 4-5mm mags to the steel washer (they will stay in place - neodymium is the strongest mag
you can get outside of a laboratory). The mags should be arranged n-s-n (poles that is) etc.
I find around 4-5 secs freespool (with the mags) copes with most situations. Its probably worth carrying a small selection of mags, cos they are cheap.
A specialist shop isn't necessary - they are readily available on Ebay ;)
AAAANNNDDD This is why I love this site so much !! Thank you !!!!
??? Tried Blackdog !! They just jibbered jabbered an email , but offered no solution !! Anyone else ?? ???
I have never opened one up but it would all depend on how much room is in the reel to work with (ie. size of magnets where they are to be placed) and composition of the spool. That reel from the schematic doesn't look like it has a lot of room to work with and a standard ABU single mag post just doesn't look like it will work.
You could cut a washer into pieces to fit it, remember to check the clearance between spool and sideplate
I have done some research on the reel and it looks as if it does have a cast control system in the left plate, there is a video on it on the ABU website, don't know if that would help or not.
The Revo here is way spendy..some over 400 Canadian, so there are none out there locally. Folks would rather buy a round Shimano for 275 than a 400 dollar Revo. I took a look at the schematic collection, and there are 11 pages with 10 per page. Lots of variations.
Making an adjustable mag setup for any reel is actually quite simple:
1: As I posted earlier a washer or plate glued in the side plate will accept a variety of neodymium magnets - but you have to open the reel to change the setting!
2: Another method is as follows (see attached photos).
no1.jpg - The finished mod.
no2.jpg - Inside the sideplate.
no5.jpg - The assembled (but not fitted) mag system - alternate north south poles.
no6.jpg - The individual parts - Adjustment knob with 3mm thread insert, spring, mag plate and mags (section of steel washer).
Either method will necessitate the removal of the centrifugal brake system from the spool (this will stop it hitting the magnets).
The adjustment knob is a thing of choice.
If possible select a washer that just fits within the friction ring (this will ensure the magnets are close to the edge of the spool).
Drill a pilot hole through the side plate and frame (preferably from just inside the friction ring). Drill the final hole from outside using the pilot hole as a guide.
Then cut a section of the washer as big as necessary (I have never needed more than 4 mags on any reel!). Drill a hole in the middle and solder/glue a nut in position.
Insert threaded knob (from outside doh!). Place the spring on the thread (inside now). Offer the mag plate with nut to the thread. The mags will try to stick to everything.
All I do is pick one up on the end of a small screw driver and offer it to the mag plate. Then do the same with other.
Now you can spend hours & hours trying out your creation ;D
Most of all have fun ;)
;D You guys are amazing , thank you for your time , I appreciate it .. I will see what i can come up with and keep you all posted , thanks again ..............
Where can you buy those adjustable kits from?
I'm gonna have to build some of those for some of my small reels. Adjustable units in most Penn reels are pretty much out because of the lack of room you have to work with, but I am gonna see what I can do with them too.
Quote from: Bryan Young on September 17, 2013, 03:47:36 PM
Where can you buy those adjustable kits from?
Blackdogtackle.com
Quote from: saltydog on September 17, 2013, 04:23:52 PM
I'm gonna have to build some of those for some of my small reels. Adjustable units in most Penn reels are pretty much out because of the lack of room you have to work with, but I am gonna see what I can do with them too.
Mr. Saltydog , please let me know how you go about it , sounds interesting , remember I have a Revo Toro winch 61 if that helps , thank you for your time . Anyone else with any ideas ?? Please feel free ....
Ok so after numerous failures i decided to order one from Blakdogtackle.com , soon it shall be here , keep you guys posted !! ;D
lalo why do you need to mag your revo? because you don't need too.
I spent good money on this reel , and I feel it can cast so much further than it does already , I followed the tutorials on this web site and have serviced it to the point of near perfection , but still feel that I can get more out of it , I fish for musky with it and often find that if I approach shallow fish they take off once they see the boat , sooooo I'd rather cast from a distance , a good distance and that"s why I'd like to mag it truth be told , that is my only gripe with it , I feel that Abu didn't go far enough with the reel in that aspect , like everything else there is room for improvement , mind you that is my , and only my opinion ............. ;D
I'm interested to know how far you can cast with your reel.
Also what kind of rod you are using and typical lure weight as well.
I'm trying to make classic round abu to cast far... but I can not judge what is "far"... nothing to compare to...
I use a 7'6 St.Croix Mojo Musky fast/heavy rod , one piece , spooled with 50 lb. power pro on my Revo Toro Winch 61 , usually get about 50 to 60 yards per cast using double 10s , like I stated earlier thanks to this site all of my reels are in top form , the man who let me cast his magged reel actually learned about magging in a recent trip to the keys , anyways his reel easily cast about 80 yards in my hands , in his , I could not tell you , but it was far .... ;D
May I ask, what oil are you using for the spool bearings?
I ask because I've found that lubing SS bearings (shieldless) with TSI 321 and blowing out all excess oil via a can of compressed air, I've found the TSI lubed SS bearings have similar performance to dry ceramic hybrids (great free spool), though, the TSI has great corrosion protection for best lastability.
Other areas to check are the friction points from the levelwind to the idler gear. If either are greased can lose you the freespool qualities you desire. ;)
I fish with ABU 6500's with 6' medium heavy rods and if maintained properly I can cast 3/8 oz. bucktail jig 50 to 60 yards on a normal cast without the reel being magged. And if I switch to an 8' stick I can get a little over 90 yards with a 1 oz. bucktail. A lot of it has to do with some of the bearings that some of the reels are built with, I have picked up some new reels that have terrible freespool and when serviced it stays just as bad. I have changed bearings out to a more expensive one to see if it will help and it does. I believe that some of the reel companies just slap the cheapest bearing they can get away with into there reels to save on cost, but that is up for debate. Just like the government and the space shuttle it looks like reels are built by the lowest bidder, so to get better performance you might have to spend a little.JMHO
William
don't mag it becuase it will just decrease the CASTING distance. this is what i do to my light gear (curado 200E7 abu morrum C4 Record KVD Tour etc is removed bearing shields lightly sand part of the spool shaft (pinion gear part) polish this part and the inside of the pinion gear use oil on worm shaft instead of grease and lastly lighten rotating parts. hope this helps!
WARNING BACKLASH! OVERRUNS!
;D Ok , one at a time now , I use the light synthetic red stuff for the bearings its in my garage right now and its cold right now so the name can wait ..... Now as far as bearings are concerned , that is a very viable option , never gave it much thought but it could be a starting point ......Finally , its my reel my friend , and as previously stated this reel is well maintained , polished /greased internals , greased drag , however as my post stated the guy who's reel I cast that ignited my curiosity got out about 80 yards , with me at the handle , casting a 1oz. lure on a calm day , by all accounts that is far .. Hey let me experiment a little , if I'm successful YAAYY !! for me ........ BUTTT !! If I mess it up ??? I have all winter to repair it , AND !!! all you guys can send me a nice slap for being stupid ... Anyone else ??? :o
lalo don't forget that the abu conventionals casts better than low profile baitcasting reels. this is because of the placement of the spool bearings. :)
i have a revo toro 50..."curiosity once killed a cat" ;D here are pics of the spool. not very good reproductions tho but maybe you can see where the bearings are. now for the majority of ambassadeurs check Bigt's tutorial on an abu 6500 c3 and Alan Tani's 5500 c3. you'll see what i mean. hope this satisfies you. BTW if you want to check out my abus go to photo gallery.
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Thank you ..... ;D
One thing everyone is not considering is that optimized distance comes from selecting a rod that will load properly for the weight you are throwing. Looking at the reel is one source of distance optimization, but if you aren't throwing enough weight to fully load the rod and get the the full potential energy loaded into it, you won't cast very far. A longer rod will give you more distance, but will make working lures a chore.
Thank you Mr.han , but this is not about rods , yes it is true that a longer , softer rod will load better , and in the proper hands can cast very far but perhaps you missed the point here , we're not talking rods , just magging the reel , nothing more , as previously stated the man who let me cast his magged reel only had a 6.6 ft. rod , could have been a medium fast I don't remember , but the fact remains magged reels cast far , thank you for the input , but please let's keep it to the reels , thanks ;D ...
??? Ok now so after tweaking the spool's bearings , removing the shields cleaning and re-lubing with hot sauce , I noticed that my casts are significantly farther , pointing out this small flaw was genius , thank you Mel B , I know now that the stock ones SUCK !!! Anyways keep you guys posted as this goes on , I fished this weekend probably my last musky outing , I really don't like having 4 tonsils anyway , I will be tweaking this further and replacing the low budget bearings that my $300 reel came with , thank you guys for all your time and patience with my lunatic ideology ............. ;D
:'(Ok now !! after many , and I mean many failures I think that this magging stuff should be left to the conventional reels , I went and bought several side plates at great expense , one by one I decimated them .YES !! I am a idiot , but i had to try , one never knows what will happen if one tries . Thank you all who tried to persuade me not to do this , or gave me good advise , thank you very much , I retire this thread humbly , If anyone wishes to hate on me or just laugh at me , feel free ...........thanks for your time ...... ;D
Quote from: Lalo13 on February 10, 2014, 12:52:59 AM
:'(Ok now !! after many , and I mean many failures I think that this magging stuff should be left to the conventional reels , I went and bought several side plates at great expense , one by one I decimated them .YES !! I am a idiot , but i had to try , one never knows what will happen if one tries . Thank you all who tried to persuade me not to do this , or gave me good advise , thank you very much , I retire this thread humbly , If anyone wishes to hate on me or just laugh at me , feel free ...........thanks for your time ...... ;D
Hello. somewhere in the Abu forum is a fellow looking for the one way bearings as seen in the Revo. Unless you are keeping yours for the same idea, you might be able to recoup some of your green stamps, by transacting.
;DActually I am keeping this reel and all parts , thank you for the heads up .....