Got a brand new JX. Anyone know what the issue is with this reel? I own several and service my own reels. I have not encountered this before.
https://youtu.be/s6oqQa4didM
https://youtu.be/JtvQPzYMIbo
Thanks Nick
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Well obviously something is wrong, sounds like an assembly issue to me.
Since the reel is new, I would send it back on their dime, unless they don't mind you opening it up to take a look.
If they agree, I would take it apart and make sure everything is set back in place as it should be, that would determine what's going on.
Those are not hard to work on...Good luck!
Sal
1. feel your carbon fibre and brake disk for uneven surfaces
2. have you greased the fibre?
let us know.
btw you could go Sal's suggestion to send it back since it's new but at the same if it was me i'll do my best to locate what's the cause of this "grinding" noise but that's just me.
If it was mine I would take it apart and look but it is an Avet problem and they should be made aware of it. Send it to Avet.
Sigh. Pain in the butt. I did take it apart and everything is in place. My guess is that for some reason, the axis of the pressure plate and spool must be off despite all the pieces being in place. I'll give Avet a call. Thanks guys
Nick
I hope Avet gives you a detailed explanation. It seems to me that to produce something like that, at least two of these components must be damaged: spool, brake disc, pinion, pinion bearing, head plate.
Could it possibly be the spool shaft warped. In the second video it looks like the gap between the spool and side plate get loose and tight.
op before sending it to Avet, do you wan to try to figure it out one more time?
Seems like some warpage of some type, a shaft or a plate. I've never had any problems with my Avets so hearing about quality issues with them is news to me, but being new i would definitely contact them and/or get a replacement. I will say that the Alan Tani suggestion of lightly lubing the carbon fiber drag plate not only increases your drag but helps it to be a more smooth drag than when they are dry out of the factory.
Don't know if that will correct your problem but sometimes that kind of issue can be from even the slightest warp or thickness variance of that fiber plate, so maybe a simple replacement of that can correct it.
Good luck.
I got off the phone with the folks at Avet and I'm probably going to send it in. This issue is only noticeable at settings where the drag is barely engaged. At heavier settings, the pressure drowns out and isn't noticeable. Nevertheless, I like my reels butter smooth with no start-up energy or drag issues so back to Avet it goes.
Avet will make it right.
My guess since they now glue the drag to the spool is something, maybe even a air bubble, got between the spool and glued on drag washer making a high spot. In the video you can see the sticky point seems to be on the same spot of the spool, as one wrap of the braid comes off the spool it looks like it sticks at the same point each rotation.
Under light , moderate to heavy drag the high spot is flattens out but at minimal drag the high spot is causing the uneven feeling. My bet is Avet will replace the spool with a properly glued on drag washer and all will be fine.
Shark Hunter this is not a new designed Avet reel, not a Raptor or the G2 line of reels, so what makes you feel these reels have, in your words "way too many problems". Or is it you feel any new reels from Avet have more out of box issues than other manufactures?
I'm not trying to flame you SH but a reel designed 9-10 years ago after the most recent changes to the non Raptor JX line is not exactly new.
I was looking for high spots, uneven wear, and warped trajectory on both the pressure plate and spool and couldn't find any with my naked eye. Even with a high spot on the drag washer wouldn't it still have an even contact with the pressure plate at that particular spot? That's why I figured both were warped or were on different axis. I know Avet will probably fix the problem assuming they consider it a problem at all, but they've already confirmed the shipping will be off my dime and I can only imagine the service will also be as well. I like their products specifically because of how easy it is to work on them, but the customer service in this particular scenario isn't exactly above and beyond.
Mark,
I just hate seeing the problems people have with these reels. Out of the Box or bearing issues.
Just about every Avet Thread that pops up here is related to a problem, not a praise.
These are Made in America and They could sell a lot more if the product was simply made better, or maybe the quality inspection at the end of the line would have caught this.
I know this reel isn't a new design, but it is still new.
These reels aren't cheap.
I just want to See an American Made Reel that has the Capacity, Style and Function to be the "One" that everybody wants.
I really want an 80 wide two speed, but am scared to take the plunge.
This is just my own perspective and opinion.
Daron
Daron,
I respect your opinion but in this case I think your a little off base.
For a couple of years I worked at then managed the largest Avet retailer in the world at the time, they may still hold this title but I no longer have this type of info. This was several years ago but I made face to face sales of hundreds of Avet reels in their store. These were not internet sales but from customers that I sold reels. At that time we also sold Penn, Accurate, Okuma, Diawa and a few other manufactures. The out of the box failures from one manufacture to another were about the same. Not one in my memory stands out from the other even though we sold way more Avet reels than others.
If there was in fact an out of the box issue with reels I sold I would of heard about it from the customers I sold them to because I saw them many times over the years I worked there and they would want/need the reels fixed. Further more at that time the shop I worked at did in house reel repair so I had a chance to be in or see inside of hundred's of other reels from various manufactures.
I also fish with and have a personal relationships with some of the largest retailers here in So Cal and even though I no longer work in the tackle industry sometimes we still talk shop.
As far as the bearing issues with Avet yes the first year of production they made a bad choice for a bearing supplier. This issue may have slipped to other years do to how many reels the retailer bought and could sell in that time frame. This has long since been corrected.
IMO most of the bearing issues are due to people over fishing these reels. All? I don't think so but I would give that chance about a 10 to 1 rating. Most that come here are not familiar with Avet reels, or maybe with lever drag reels as a whole and don't stay within the recommend drag settings of their reels.
My father still fishes a MXL with engraved side plates down in Baja that does not get enough service IMO but when I do get my hands on it I run a full service....this reel still has the stock bearings. I have a JX 6/3 about 11 years old with stock bearings. I have caught several different fish of a life time with this reel, check my avatar or many of the largest fish I have posted here, most caught with the the 6/3 and the reel still has the stock bearings.
Don't get me wrong I'm not some Avet rep or supporter and at his time I only have 2 in my lineup of about 12 reels I fish. But, to see a blanket statement like this from you made SH I would of thought at least you have fished Avet reels or worked on them personally.
As a side note if it were me SH I would not go with a 80 but I'd look at a TRX30W or a TRX50W. These reels have enough power to stop the meanest fish or may pull you into the shark infested waters where you fish...lol Don't let that happen. With enough drag you should not need 100's of extra yards of line to get the fish to the beach.
The OP has a drag issue, the alignment issue seems like the right place to look at but if you don't want to start to swap one part at a time until you find the issue just send it back to Avet. Or, if the reel is new get it back to the shop where you bought if from. If it was a online purchase get a return label sent to you when they send you another reel.
I agree, Avets are my second most common reel to repair and I own 10. The pinion bearings are the weak point but if you don't do a few things they hold out. Part of a service is to replace them. I have serviced close to 200 Avets and have never found quality issues.
Avets service department is helpfull too.
Mark,
I appreciate your reply and input. I had no Idea you were involved with Avet so extensively.
I removed my original Blanket Statement.
You Say TRX 50W. Is this the Quad reel?
I am leaning toward the Pro 80W model.
It has the Capacity and more than enough drag.
I was searching for a picture of an 80W in Silver and this popped up.? I recognize that Ugly Mug Anywhere. ;D
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/YT.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/YT.jpg.html)
For what ever it is worth coming from an inlander I agree with SoCal.
A friend of mine has 3 regular Avet JX's has had them for several years & fishes as much or more than myself. Never has he had an issue of any kind. He fishes them within their specs & they have been fine. He also goes to Prince Edward twice a year also fishes South America. Some of the fish he's caught are just completely unbelievable to me. His favorite reel for the biggest of fish, is a T-rex 50 wide. This from a man that knows reels & could afford any reel or number of reels he wants.
He has told me his thoughts on the 80's & 130's. He says, they are great reels for people that may not wish or are unable to take advantage of all the available drag capacity of the T-rex 50's & can fish the 80's & 130's at 25 - 30 lbs. or less drag taking advantage of their line capacity.
Every one I know such as Mark owner of Charkbait & owners of other shops speak very well of Avets big reels. This from people who dont care what brand you buy. It is a very rare thing to hear of them breaking or blowing up,failing with out cause. I believe any one thinking their smaller reels issues in most cases is unrelated to the person using them needs to look further into it....Jeff
That is one of my favorite photos, the reel is a MXJ set up for 25#.
Jeff, Avet reels have some issues but so do all makes of reel when you get as nit picky as we can be. One of the things I find that damage an Avet is people fishing them beyond their designed ratings.
Quote from: Keta on December 03, 2016, 06:21:04 PM
Jeff, Avet reels have some issues .....One of the things I find that damage an Avet is people fishing them beyond their designed ratings.
Yes, Lee but that issue is one of the user & not so much the reel. One may not like the specs of their standard reels. But fished within those specs these are very dependable reels.
What kept me from making them my go to reel is my desire fir more drag & the low gear is not low enough for my use. This isnt true once you get into HX & bigger Avet reels...Jeff
I would suggest a JX Raptor, I have a HXJ Raptor for mid depth Halibut and love it.
Dont own one. The Hxj Raptor has always had my attention. I'll have one or 3 at some point....Jeff
Quote from: Rivverrat on December 03, 2016, 08:15:28 PM
Dont own one. The Hxj Raptor has always had my attention. I'll have one or 3 at some point....Jeff
You can run them in the mid drag range and not stress the reel.
I played with one for a couple of days. Didnt seem like 25 lbs. of drag was a burden on it at all....Jeff
Did the OP get this issue fixed? I also have a JX and it does the same. I sent it back to Avet with an expkanation, they sent it back without any note. It still does tge uneven drag pull. I just fish it. It lands albacore just fine. Some day I'll replace some parts to see if it makes a difference.
I don't believe in Avet service. I send my issue reels to Lee. :)
Randy
Thank you Randy. I have got to get up this year and fish with you, hopefuly the ocean will play nice.
I have the SX and MXJ single speeds. The JX 6/3 and the SX, JX and HX Raptors. I replaced the pinion bearing in the HX Raptor. It's an early one with a smaller bearing.
Yes Daron the TRX or as we called them T-rex all have the quad drag design. It is sort of the same design as the Accurate twin drag system but instead of one drag surface on each side of the spool that Accurate uses the Avet TRX uses a double drag system on both sides of the spool. The Rarptor line of reels use the double drag system on the handle side only.
Not quite correct on the Raptors: The have one free floating carbon fiber drag washer on the right side of the spool, but apply pressure from drag plates on both sides of the carbon fiber drag washer to get high drag numbers.
Quote from: akfish on December 04, 2016, 02:14:21 AM
Not quite correct on the Raptors: The have one free floating carbon fiber drag washer on the right side of the spool, but apply pressure from drag plates on both sides of the carbon fiber drag washer to get high drag numbers.
Yes this in fact how the Raptors work with the free floating carbon fiber drag sandwiched between two drag plates on one side of the spool. The TRX have this type of design on both sides of the spool to give the "quad" drag design.
Let me get this Straight.
You are the owner of Charkbait Mark?
No
OK,
I guess it is a different Mark.
I know they have the best prices on Avet's.
I have fished with that Mark and dropped off a wahoo for his crew.
I would almost bet the farm that there is a small piece of junk underneath the drag washer that is creating a high spot. That is really the only way I can think of that would cause a brand new reel to act up. Can I take a look at it?
Quote from: alantani on December 04, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
I would almost bet the farm that there is a small piece of junk underneath the drag washer that is creating a high spot.
One reason I do not like the glued on drag washers.
Quote from: Keta on December 04, 2016, 05:12:15 AM
I have fished with that Mark and dropped off a wahoo for his crew.
Keta is right, no I'm not Mark Smith who owns Charkbait. But, I did get a chunck of that wahoo after you used a sawsall on it in the parking lot. Also Keta when Mark Smith gave you that CB jacket I was the person that got it out of the back room for you. So this should give you a time frame of when I worked in the tackle business.
I remember you. Mark's crew then were all first class, that's why I dropped of a wahoo. My EX 50 SDS was one of the first made and I used it on Mark's 10 day to land 2 cows.
Must of been 2005 that was a record cow tuna year. 200 lb plus tuna were caught on trips in the 8 day range that year.
I don't want to hijack the OP's thread. Like I stated and Alan I would almost bet the drag washer is the issue. We are talking 1000's of an inch here something every hard to see with the naked eye. In theory everything in the drag system should lay totally flat to one another but there is always a slight fudge factor with several parts are making up the drag system.
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UPDATE. So I received the reel back from Avet. I sent it in with the issues described and they sent it back to me in the same exact condition that I sent it in to them. The drag pressure is still uneven. Avet not considering it a problem was my worst fear because this isn't an issue that will keep that reel from fishing, but it will be something OCD gear junkies such as myself will notice. Plus the spool on a reel will go through thousands of revolutions in its lifetime, and the tolerances need be precise if the reel is going to last. This is extremely frustrating, because it seems like Avet didn't even look at the reel.
As before, I originally thought about a high spot on the drag washer or an uneven axis of the pressure plate, but shouldn't both need to occur for this particular issue? Even a high spot on the drag washer would create constant contact with the pressure plate, despite only being in one spot on the washer.
Anyway, I am still looking thoughts or input. Alan, I am in the bay area now if you really want to look at the reel.
Thanks again everyone,
Nick
also yes, I've looked at the washer for uneven spots and haven't found any. I check while spinning the spool. my washers are dry, not greased
Have you loaded line on the reel to check the drag? If you just hold the spool and try to feel the drag it will always seem rough. Shimano used to include a note about this in their Charter Specials.
Quote from: nlam004 on December 10, 2016, 06:34:32 PM
Anyway, I am still looking thoughts or input. Alan, I am in the bay area now if you really want to look at the reel.
Thanks again everyone,
Nick
sent a pm!
Quote from: akfish on December 10, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
Have you loaded line on the reel to check the drag? If you just hold the spool and try to feel the drag it will always seem rough. Shimano used to include a note about this in their Charter Specials.
its in the video I posted
Quote from: alantani on December 10, 2016, 07:23:19 PM
Quote from: nlam004 on December 10, 2016, 06:34:32 PM
Anyway, I am still looking thoughts or input. Alan, I am in the bay area now if you really want to look at the reel.
Thanks again everyone,
Nick
sent a pm!
contact you soon, thanks for the pm
I would like to look at the reel if Alan can't figure out the problem.
I fully understand about the "OCD" thing when it comes to reels but I really don't see it as a "problem" unless you fish your reels at 1-2 lbs of drag. I would guess then you get to around 2-3 lbs, maybe even less, of drag you don't have this issue.
Take Alan or Keta up with their offer and see if they find something.
It may only take one nice fish that pulls hard to smooth everything out.
As far as Avet looking at the reel my guess is they did. After looking inside I would bet a tech there put a few pounds of drag on the reel, less than most would fish the reel at and the drag felt smooth when pulling on it. Is this perfect? No. Is there even a small concern in my mind about reel issues or failure in the future because of this? IMO no. But, I do really understand how you feel.
Let the guys look at it and I'm sure this will offer you more piece of mind.
Took a visit with Alan and checked it out. Turns out I'm probably more OCD than I need to be. The drag washer probably has some imperfections that is causing the skip that is noticeable at low drag pressures. There isn't an issue when the strike is set at what I would fish it as. Other than that, I do appreciate the input of all. SoCal Angler, you and others are probably right.
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Thanks again,
Nick
Most all of us here suffer greatly from this malady & like the rest of us you are completely hopeless. Most of us thought we hid it well...not true. It's a giant positive first step in seeing this in your self.
So be happy & just run with it...Jeff
Quote from: nlam004 on December 14, 2016, 07:09:39 AM
Took a visit with Alan and checked it out. Turns out I'm probably more OCD than I need to be. The drag washer probably has some imperfections that is causing the skip that is noticeable at low drag pressures. There isn't an issue when the strike is set at what I would fish it as. Other than that, I do appreciate the input of all. SoCal Angler, you and others are probably right.
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Thanks again,
Nick
Nick,
Like I said I fully understand where you are coming from. I'm sure Alan checked it out right, double checked it and then probably ran a third check to just make sure.
Run a good season of fishing the reel and then let us know if the issue is still there. My bet is after a few fish that pull drag you will not have this issue.
Now catch some fish with that reel. ;)