I'm trying to decide between a daiwa BG2500 and a SS700. They both cost about the same new, and a strong argument could be made for either, but on different merits. I highly doubt I'm getting both for christmas, so I need to pick only one to put on the list. So I guess it's really which one do I want first? Please help!
To clarify, it would be used to chase snook, trout, redfish, inshore snapper etc around Florida, With the option of maybe doing some freshwater stuff with it.
dude, the ss700 looks so "old" ......
Quote from: alantani on November 29, 2020, 02:52:10 AM
dude, the ss700 looks so "old" ......
I mean you're not wrong, it really does. They haven't changed the design much in 30 years. But that's actually sort of a selling point.
if you want tiny 700-size -- too small for most S/W, IMO... Daiwa agrees -- BG not available
if you want 2500-3500, more appropriate for inshore -- the only reason to get a Whisker,
is if you really want affordable worm oscillation -- better line-lay / casting distance
if other features are more important, BG is probably a better choice
I'd go for a BG 3500 as a better all-around reel. Rudy
P.S.,
what line? I'm a huge fan of worm-O for braid (esp., skinny braid, casting for distance)
also adds a little distance for skinny mono, generally used w/ 700-size
as you get into bigger reel sizes, heavier mono, and presentations that don't require pristine line-lay,
the advantages diminish, until worm-O isn't worth the extra hassle (MANY more/smaller parts)
Honestly I'm just looking for more of a challenge. I think most the fish I encounter inshore can be brought in with much smaller tackle than I'm using. Knowing I can bring a cobia in on my 4000 makes bringing a 25" redfish in a bit less exciting. No less fun to eat, but less exciting. I can just turn up the drag and here we go.
The fact that to my knowledge the ss700 has the smallest worm drive system currently out there is sorta cool. I'm looking for good long casts, potentially from a shorter rod. But my BG4000 casts like a champ already, so I don't feel like the BG is necessarily settling for something weak when it comes to casting. Otherwise this would be an easier choice. Is the 700 really that tiny? 8 lbs of drag isn't bad. I have brought in over slot reds and decent snook on a reel that barely does 10 lbs drag. The BG2500 only does 13. In fact I'd consider the 2000 size but 4 lbs of drag is just a bit too light.
I'm thinking 10 lb SSV2 braid, I'm a fan of that in larger sizes. Or maybe some J braid to stick with the daiwa theme. I'm open to suggestions though.
And really I already have 4 strong capable inshore rigs in the 3000-4000 size range. i mean the more the merrier, but i don't currently have an ultralight so I wanna check that box next. It just seems like more fun.
Doesn't the BG have a better reputation? But, in the end, they are both Diawa and both spinners.
-s
not worm drive -- worm oscillation
basically same mechanism that moves a level-wind side-to-side,
but cut asymmetrically to vary the up/down speed of a spinner spool
best line-lay, IMO (highly desirable for 10# braid)
PITA to service, esp. small reel, ESP in S/W!!!
700 is so popular, because it's alone in a niche: slightly bigger, durable UL w/ big-boy spool/drag & only worm-O model <1000
only reason to pay retail, is for 700-size, SPECIFICALY, NOW!!! & it seems small for your uses, even "extreme sporty"
as you go up in size, value of used Whiskers plummets & it makes no sense to get a new one
if you want to spend $100, you can do better than Whiskers among 1000+ size Daiwa's
few years back, you could get original Japan-made 1000 Fuego(?) $100 Clearance
I dickered over BG sizes about three years ago. Originally wanted a 2500 size but after studying the specs and looking at it in the store decided on the 3000 for stripers and occasional sw. Still a small-ish reel in a good way, and turned out to be a good choice. Good capacity and drag.
Only "combo" I've ever bought --was much more economical that way & turns out I like the BG rod, too.
(https://alantani.com/gallery/34/17264_29_11_20_11_57_23_340131546.jpeg)
I forgot the 2500 BG is the same weight as my 4000 spheros. This keeps getting harder. The ss is lighter, but line cap comparison wise the 1300 is more in line with the BG2500 and those are comparable weight.
I still have that link about modding an ss to make it saltwater friendly open as a tab on my phone browser. You don't have to mod a BG though.
And I wouldn't buy an ss new outside of the 700 size. The other larger ones are readily available used for cheap. But nobody seems to wanna give up their 700...
I'd say go with the BG2500 and hold off until you can find that vintage SS700 at a good price like you wanted to do in your other thread. BTW, your other thread about the whisker has got me looking for one also. ;D
I went to a tackle website to research both reels you mentioned and I saw something I didn't know Daiwa made. I think I'm getting myself a Emcast LT bite n' run 2500. Love me a spinner with a clicker!!
Your threads are costing me money LOL
Quote from: thrasher on November 29, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
Your threads are costing me money LOL
Me too. Trust me, me too.
I fish the BG8000 pretty hard (topwater stickbaits) and it's been bulletproof to date.
The design and build are pure 'form follows function', which I love.
A bit like that Dos Equis beer ad, 'I don't always fish spinners. But when I do, I prefer a BG...' ;) ;D
Good luck, Justin
simple, get BG-MQ 2500, which weighs less than BG 1500
(unless Daiwa specs. are off... quite possible)
Quote from: thrasher on November 29, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
I went to a tackle website to research both reels you mentioned and I saw something I didn't know Daiwa made. I think I'm getting myself a Emcast LT bite n' run 2500. Love me a spinner with a clicker!!
Your threads are costing me money LOL
just noticed Okuma's budget BaitFeeder is <$30
https://okumafishingusa.com/collections/specials/products/50-off-select-avenger-abf-b-series
Quote from: philaroman on November 30, 2020, 02:17:50 AM
simple, get BG-MQ 2500, which weighs less than BG 1500
(unless Daiwa specs. are off... quite possible)
Quote from: thrasher on November 29, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
I went to a tackle website to research both reels you mentioned and I saw something I didn't know Daiwa made. I think I'm getting myself a Emcast LT bite n' run 2500. Love me a spinner with a clicker!!
Your threads are costing me money LOL
just noticed Okuma's budget BaitFeeder is <$30
https://okumafishingusa.com/collections/specials/products/50-off-select-avenger-abf-b-series
The okuma avenger 1000 was also on my radar. But that one's cheap, and they have it at wallyworld nearby. I might pick one up as a backup.
You'd be hard pressed to find any Okuma product here in Florida. Local repair guys won't work on them either. It's just not accepted here.
nothin' wrong w/ high-end Okuma (esp., Taiwan-made)
some goodies mid-price, as well -- very tinker/swap-friendly
budget models are disposable, but why would you expect any different
wouldn't bother w/ the regular $40 Avenger(AV?), unless it fell in my lap for <$20
on the other hand, the baitfeeder $60 Avenger(ABF?) <half-price for $28+,
is a nice toy for someone who wants to try baitrunners
they're only selling off unpopular small sizes -- 20 is just plain stupid, but 30 is borderline
Quote from: 0119 on November 30, 2020, 01:24:59 PM
You'd be hard pressed to find any Okuma product here in Florida. Local repair guys won't work on them either. It's just not accepted here.
I guess that varies regionally. Like I say, they have them at walmart. I also know of at least 3 tackle shops that carry them, out of the maybe 5 that I visit. Though I can comfortably agree they are far less common than penn diawa or shimano. FL is definitely a Penn-heavy state.
Was also considering playing with one of those daiwa sweepfire models, speaking of expendable reels. My boss has positive things to say about their bang-to-buck ratio. Says he just gets a new one every year and doesn't worry about maintenance. Never played with one personally.
Our Wal-Mart's are still devoid of tackle from China virus. Bass pro here is also empty of any popular hooks, all lead and I'd say 95% of reels. Here if your rough on your stuff you have a low end Penn. Most have Stradics and Saharas. I never see another baitcaster but mine it seems. Growing up here, the Daiwa SS Whisker was extremely popular. People only want disposable now......
Quote from: 0119 on November 30, 2020, 07:10:49 PM
Our Wal-Mart's are still devoid of tackle from China virus. Bass pro here is also empty of any popular hooks, all lead and I'd say 95% of reels. Here if your rough on your stuff you have a low end Penn. Most have Stradics and Saharas. I never see another baitcaster but mine it seems. Growing up here, the Daiwa SS Whisker was extremely popular. People only want disposable now......
Ours only started getting lead and circle hooks back on the shelf a few weeks ago. This year I've learned to expand my hook horizons.
So I'm reading a bit more and its sounding like the modern whisker reels have an ARB for the anti reverse. Some sites describe it as being in addition to the mechanical AR in the older ones. Is that correct? Does a modern SS700 have a dual anti reverse? If so that seals the deal. If not...
SS 700, but, and a big but, if you only plan on fishing freshwater. You can make it saltwater friendly with a little elbow grease. I've had my SS 1300 for 25 years and serviced it for the very first time last year, no carnage inside anywhere. I threw a set of Smoothies in there while I was at it as the old washers looked a little worn. It has had countless pike, walleye, and steelhead at the end of the line and never missed a beat. The only other small spinning reel with such a durable reputation is the Zebco/Abu Cardinal. There's a reason why they left it unchanged for three decades, because it works. It isn't the smoothest or most balanced reel on the market, nor does it have instant anti reverse, but if you want something that will work no matter what, that's your reel. I've never found the lack of instant anti reverse to be troublesome, it engages pretty quickly compared to other reels set up in a similar fashion.
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on November 30, 2020, 09:41:51 PM
So I'm reading a bit more and its sounding like the modern whisker reels have an ARB for the anti reverse. Some sites describe it as being in addition to the mechanical AR in the older ones. Is that correct? Does a modern SS700 have a dual anti reverse? If so that seals the deal. If not...
you just saw
"Ultra-reliable roller bail trip mechanism" & started having fantasies
please don't wake me up, yet ;D ...instant+backup A/R for $100 ;D ;D ;D ...in a UL, no less ::)
whatever a $300 Daiwa Tournament Million Max SS-9000 may be, it may have that, but I doubt it has same innards
most fixate on "700" & don't know to look for other <1000 old suped-up SS models (JDM?) that have more features
some have "infinite" A/R -- guessing that's multipoint on rotor (12-20+), instead of ratchet (6-10)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Whisker-Ss-Tournament-850-Long-Cast-Spool-Reel/133566544014?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3D0d92fa0ba12449a3bfc44d6067ad2acd%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D392984752319%26itm%3D133566544014%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Whisker-Ss-Tournament-850-Long-Cast-Spool-Reel/133566544014?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3D0d92fa0ba12449a3bfc44d6067ad2acd%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D392984752319%26itm%3D133566544014%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-WHISKER-TOURNAMENT-SS-750-Spinning-reel-Used-Japan-Very-Good-473/224222925085?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Df7bc79fb86c74d1d84453fb19a169b6b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D133566544014%26itm%3D224222925085%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-WHISKER-TOURNAMENT-SS-750-Spinning-reel-Used-Japan-Very-Good-473/224222925085?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Df7bc79fb86c74d1d84453fb19a169b6b%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D133566544014%26itm%3D224222925085%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-Daiwa-SS850-Super-Sport-Whisker-Spinning-Fishing-Reel/164383542826?hash=item264605ce2a:g:6HIAAOSwGSxfX86K (https://www.ebay.com/itm/USED-Daiwa-SS850-Super-Sport-Whisker-Spinning-Fishing-Reel/164383542826?hash=item264605ce2a:g:6HIAAOSwGSxfX86K)
not sure about this -- could be a deal from novice seller: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Tournament-SS-850i-Spinning-Reel-Excellent/392984752319?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Da3ffcdeb0fa648c08f88c1636b4bbebe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D114336326134%26itm%3D392984752319%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Daiwa-Tournament-SS-850i-Spinning-Reel-Excellent/392984752319?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200520130048%26meid%3Da3ffcdeb0fa648c08f88c1636b4bbebe%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D114336326134%26itm%3D392984752319%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DDaiwa&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)
oh, and the gold/tan SS also have internal bail-trip,
so you don't need to file off any leg protrusions, LOL
Quote from: tincanary on November 30, 2020, 11:12:47 PM
I've never found the lack of instant anti reverse to be troublesome, it engages pretty quickly compared to other reels set up in a similar fashion.
Same here. I actually see instant anti reverse as a huge negative. Planned and engineered failure from a frail part.
Ok clearly I got confused. I'd strongly prefer the mechanical AR. That to me was one of the major selling points. Is that gone now?
Also very intrigued by some of those links. I just worry about parts availability for some of these less common models.
However ceramic bearings of the size for this reel are actually remarkably cheap. I'm seeing full ceramics for under $12 each.
HPR also sells a bearing of a size that would replace the bushing at the base of the worm. I know how Steve feels about bearings vs bushings, but to me that sounds like an upgrade.
funny, I'm down-upgrading from bearings to bushings, to make a S/W Stradic
would love to find solid brass to replace the tiny PITA under-worm BB's
where did you get the "instant A/R notion"? it's usually mentioned multiple times
in the product description of any reel that has it & bearing count is X+1
I see nuttin' like that: https://www.daiwa.com/us/contents/reels/ss_t/index.html
sorry, IMO ceramics in a budget spinner are like bling on a pig, or doing card tricks for a dog -- pointless ;)
You don't need fancy high speed bearings in the gear train. Regular steel bearings packed with grease are plenty good. Save the fancy bearings for the spools of conventional/baitcasting reels!
Penn Spinfisher VI SSVI2500 Spinning Reel and call it a day !
15# drag on a really small spinning reel
That ssvi2500 weighs more than my 4000 spheros. It's certainly not a bad reel, I just want an ultralight.
I think it came from something that was mentioned in a review. Someone mentioned the "silent upgrade" on newer reels and I guess i assumed thats what they meant. The daiwa website is garbage anyway. They have one picture of the reel, and a paragraph. That's it. Way to go team daiwa. But the point is I was totally wrong, but i came into this thread already knowing what my foot tastes like. Being publicly wrong is nothing new to me. It comes with the territory of being an idiot.
And really the BG2500 doesn't have a mechanical anti reverse, just an ARB. That's a detail I don't particularly like, but my 4000 BG doesn't have one either and I've done just fine with it. This really shouldn't be this hard to choose.
silent A/R is just a few extra parts to make the dog(pawl) get out of the way when you reel forward
it engages as soon as rotor moves backwards... I guess old SS went clunk, clunk & modern doesn't
Quote from: philaroman on December 01, 2020, 10:37:03 PM
silent A/R is just a few extra parts to make the dog(pawl) get out of the way when you reel forward
it engages as soon as rotor moves backwards... I guess old SS went clunk, clunk & modern doesn't
It's been a long week. I read silent and my brain thought instant. You should here my shiny penns with the double sprung 16 teeth AR. Definitely not silent.
Maybe I'll just sell a bit more hot sauce and get both. I really want both.
when background noise is screeching gulls & crashing waves, clunk-clunk is fine... actually, reassuring
but when loudest ambient sound is beating dragonfly wings, it's an intrusion -- nice to have a small quiet reel
get the 700, now & make do w/ Spheros, 'til price-drop / save for... wait for it... Imagonnaquotemyself:
Quote from: philaroman on November 30, 2020, 02:17:50 AM
simple, get BG-MQ 2500 (22# drag, 8.3 oz.)... which weighs less than BG 1500
https://daiwaproductshowcase.com/products/bg-mq (https://daiwaproductshowcase.com/products/bg-mq)
Just to be clear, apparently I'm not crazy. I did see it. Is it wrong? Quite likely. Did I see it? Yes.
So i wrote a dumb post last night after stupidly reading and believing line cap numbers from that same amazon listing that said this reel has dual instant anti. And for some reason i didn't second guess it. It was 2am and I wasn't thinking clearly. But it is true that there's damn near no parts out there to service this thing in the 700 size, while fleabay has at least 3 pages of parts for the 1300 filtered by "north America only."
Mystic has parts for old penns. eReplacementparts has shimano stuff. For daiwa there seems to be a dude with a middle finger on one hand and holding up a sign with the other that says "buy a new reel!"
That's not a deal breaker but it is a legit consideration.
The 700 is 2oz lighter, and will hold ~150yds of 10 lb braid compared to the claimed 185 yds for the 1300. Double the drag though, which to me just means it'll be smoother at the likely 6# of it I'd be likely to use on either. I feel like now there's 3 up for consideration so I'm further from an answer not closer.
Daiwa has always bent over backwards for me. The majority of time they haven't even charged me.
here's a thought: for the price of a new 1300,
you could get TWO good used ones, PLUS
a lighter, simpler, non-folding handle
Quote from: 0119 on December 02, 2020, 04:04:58 PM
Daiwa has always bent over backwards for me. The majority of time they haven't even charged me.
Not saying you're wrong but thats the first time I've heard that.
Quote from: philaroman on December 02, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
here's a thought: for the price of a new 1300,
you could get TWO good used ones, PLUS
a lighter, simpler, non-folding handle
Now you're speaking my language.
Has anyone heard of the SS no. 1? Any good? I assume it's related and a predecessor. There's one for sale on the cheap locally. This would be in addition to the current discussion not as a door #4 here.
Also the next question: what rod do I want for this? I'm thinking fast taper 6' with a split cork grip
I believe GS-0,1,2... are oldest Gold Series
guessing SS-1 is a really old 1000-size
BTW, there are later GS reels w/ LongCast spools
have fun w/ that information :P
never fished a mangrove -- are there overhead/side clearance issues, like a trout stream?
otherwise, for "sporty" w/ 10# braid, I'd want longest, lightest, mod/fast I could get away with
if I couldn't find an Inshore light enough, I'd be lookin' at 7'6"-9'6" L/ML Steelhead
Quote from: philaroman on December 03, 2020, 01:43:49 PM
I believe GS-0,1,2... are oldest Gold Series
guessing SS-1 is a really old 1000-size
BTW, there are later GS reels w/ LongCast spools
have fun w/ that information :P
never fished a mangrove -- are there overhead/side clearance issues, like a trout stream?
otherwise, for "sporty" w/ 10# braid, I'd want longest, lightest, mod/fast I could get away with
if I couldn't find an Inshore light enough, I'd be lookin' at 7'6"-9'6" L/ML Steelhead
I went down a bit of a rabbit hole last night on mudhole.com, and I think this will be my first rod that I build. I'm looking at a 6'-6" 6-12# fast taper bass blank. I'm looking at $120ish for a rig with all Fuji components. This will mostly be for salty applications but I want the option to bass fish if the opportunity arises.
Mangroves are very amorphous. There's spots with streams through mangroves where space is very limited (but fish are plentiful) and lots of areas where mangroves are at the edges of large open expanses. In tighter areas this wouldn't be my rod choice bc a bull red will just get you snagged immediately, I run heavier drag in those areas for a higher success rate. I want "sporty" not "lose all my terminal tackle." I know that's a thin line to walk sometimes.
"In tighter areas this wouldn't be my rod choice"
so, why so short? are you short? ;D
clearance issues aside, if I'm wading & it's too cumbersome to clear wrap-ups/debris from the tip
w/out dipping the reel, then the rod is too long, otherwise longer is better IMO
I understand going lighter than traditional Inshore 7'-8', but why go shorter?
still good for bass off the bank, albeit not fo crowded bass boat
Quote from: philaroman on December 03, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
"In tighter areas this wouldn't be my rod choice"
so, why so short? are you short? ;D
clearance issues aside, if I'm wading & it's too cumbersome to clear wrap-ups/debris from the tip
w/out dipping the reel, then the rod is too long, otherwise longer is better IMO
I understand going lighter than traditional Inshore 7'-8', but why go shorter?
still good for bass off the bank, albeit not fo crowded bass boat
I'm 6'5" 250 lbs. Not a little fella by any measure.
I'm trying to come up with a logical explanation for my current preference, but in reality I think I'm being guided by nostalgia. When I was younger I had a lil 5' rod (split cork grip and all) with some small disposable reel, and I feel like I had more fun with that than a lot of my larger more logical setups. It was great for getting under docks at weird angles, etc. There's a lot of mangrove snapper (gray snapper to those of you up north, same fish) that hang out down there. I love eating them but pulling them up on a 4000 reel with 20-30# braid just feels like cheating.
I think I'm subconsciously trying to get that old rig-concept back in a higher quality form, but 5' just seems unreasonably short. I may end up with a 7 footer anyway because I am a logical person at heart. But the smaller one does seem appealing.
never fished a mangrove -- are there overhead/side clearance issues, like a trout stream?
Mangroves are very amorphous. There's spots with streams through mangroves where space is very limited (but fish are plentiful) and lots of areas where mangroves are at the edges of large open expanses.
I want "sporty" not "lose all my terminal tackle." I know that's a thin line to walk sometimes.
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I fish an expanse of salt marsh. It's a combo of dry land and man made mosuito control ditches from the 50's. The mangroves are high along the edges, the ditches 4 feet wide if your lucky. Flipping is the only reason way to fish them to me. I use a 5'4" Falcon Peacock series rod and Ambassadeur 4500C baitcasters with 12# line. The ditches often open up to ponds about 1-2 acres. I used to take a Ambassadeur 2500C with 2# mono on a Loomis 7 foot Kokonee rod. We'd catch hundreds of Snook and Tarpon to 10#s on Pins Minnows and marabou crappie jigs. I love fishing the mangrove backwaters and often thought I'd try making a ultralight casting rod out of a fly rod blank.
So in addition to the ss700 that I suspect is coming my way for Christmas, a seller just accepted an offer for an ss850 that was not properly identified by the seller. Had it been properly listed i would likely not have gotten it for as cheap as I did because someone would have beaten me to it. Now i just gotta pray that USPS pleasantly surprises me.
Rough around the edges and definitely in need of some TLC, but that just means I won't be tempted to make it a shelf queen. This ones gonna get fished.
Does anyone know if they have the same size bearings and/or drag as the 700? Gotta start planning my upgrades.
So I knew these reels would be small. But wow. This is a seemingly brand new but well priced one that I bought as a christmas present for a friend. That I will get to practice on his before messing with my own is entirely coincidental...
That 's really small in the hand. The SS700 line capacity is larger than the Diawa Mighty Mite.
-s
pls. do a 700/850 side-by-side, when you can
Quote from: philaroman on December 22, 2020, 12:30:29 PM
pls. do a 700/850 side-by-side, when you can
Will do. In comparing schematics they seem very similar. One difference is the 850 has a line roller bearing. I'm sure there's others as well. The 850 wont arrive for a few more days but I'm already super excited.
So the nature of the conundrum has changed. Namely which to fish first.
Merry Christmas everyone
Very nice, why pick one when you can have them both ;D
You are getting a nice collection of Daiwa reels there
Quote from: thrasher on December 26, 2020, 02:45:23 PM
Very nice, why pick one when you can have them both ;D
You are getting a nice collection of Daiwa reels there
I may need to change my user name...
OK, you're now JasonNeedaFen ;D ;D ;D
...or some equally prized piece of UL/L/ML vintage glass
IMHO, BEST for zero-stretch and, of course (Catch 22.0)
LEAST likely to have braid-worthy, desirable guides
so it's a DIY or sniping Project -- just the way you like it ;)
Happy/Merry
Would it be cheating to get a modern one?
apples & oranges... premium thin-wall glass just has a different feel
closest modern "deal" would be rebuilding the 1/2-price flyrod:
https://www.fishusa.com/Fenwick-Fenglass-Fly-Rods
(just a blank of that type is >$ from Lami... still US-made ??? )
There's certainly nothing wrong with a Fenwick. But you'll never hear a disparaging word about a Phillipson either and they are getting harder to find:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Philipson-Fly-Rod-205-7ft/303825893545?hash=item46bd6f38a9:g:V68AAOSwiLVf5~dS (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Philipson-Fly-Rod-205-7ft/303825893545?hash=item46bd6f38a9:g:V68AAOSwiLVf5~dS)
-s
here's "a disparaging word": even w/ a missing L, LoL, that rod will get identified & bid-up
Japanese collectors LOVE PhiLLipson glass weLL above all other brands
you don't want to end up on the wrong side of THAT supply:demand equation
I've never understood the fly rods with spinning reels thing. Not saying everyone who does it is wrong, just saying i don't get it.
Aren't fly rods more of the slow taper super bendy variety? I definitely want a fast taper for my little fellas. I've never been a fan of the noodle rods.
Also turns out modern Fenwick is a "pure fishing" brand, leading me to suspect that $100 is just for the name when it's really just a chinese rod. Is that a correct interpretation?
Quote from: JasonGotaPenn on December 28, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
I've never understood the fly rods with spinning reels thing. Not saying everyone who does it is wrong, just saying i don't get it.
Aren't fly rods more of the slow taper super bendy variety? I definitely want a fast taper for my little fellas. I've never been a fan of the noodle rods.
wait 'til you hook a few pigs w/ your downsized, sporty tackle... if you find yourself badly outgunned,
consider going more glassy/bendy/forgiving/durable, rather than heavier in power
doesn't have to be glass, per se -- if Fast/XFast high-modulus is too fragile for your application,
Mod/Fast IM-6 might be "glassy enough"... and cheaper, though harder to find w/ good components
Also turns out modern Fenwick is a "pure fishing" brand, leading me to suspect that $100 is just for the name when it's really just a chinese rod. Is that a correct interpretation?
what else can you find new in $100 ballpark?
PRC is just the biggest Global OEM -- EVER! ...they make whatever they're contracted to make
half-price Clearance on high-end Chinese is among your best bets for value
Quote from: thrasher on December 28, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
I never got the fly rod used as a spinner either but I did some speck fishing on lake Okeechobee this weekend and get it now. That super bendy is good for jigging specks with the tiny little jigs. I think I'll buy some 10'-14' Mr. Crappie rods instead but if all I had was an old fly rod I would use it for that.
don't rush -- many crappie-rod idiosyncrasies to consider (maybe start a topic)...
what kind of reels? should have some useful info gained w/ 9', 12', 14', 16' Wally Marshall, et al
(used for anything, BUT crappie ;D ;D ;D)
The fiberglass rod makers of yore always struggled to get a faster action without adding more weight. That was often how they were judged too. Noodle-like is fun for catching, but no good for casting. It requires too much effort to load the rod so it will quickly wear you out.
-steve
Quote from: thrasher on December 28, 2020, 05:30:21 PM
Yeah, I have a bad habit of taking threads off on a tangent. I was really just trying to reply about the fly rod used as a spinning rod, saw a local old timer slaying them with one last night.
But....... for a reel I would have loved to have a used JDM SS600 from MO on a 14 footer ;D ;D ;D
well, this its just a cheapo Shimano Sonora 2500 but its on a 14' ;D ;D German Rod "Balzer zander 25" 3.90mt (14ft) 3-pc 25gr lure (7/8oz) with 6lb yo-zuri hybrid line (mono-fluoro) and a 1# seatrout or curvina, I recall I was using a 1/2oz krocodile spoon.
@Jason, that BG2500 looks pretty good, I might get one later.