In the process of rebuilding the stuck 155 I got two years ago for 2$. The pinon gear was *very* stuck on the spool shaft, and I was never able to get it off at all-ended up dropping the plastic spool during the struggle to get it off and broke the lips against the concrete floor. Whoops!
I have been looking for a 29L-100, 150, or 200 spool, the 200 fits directly and the 100 and 150 would be for narrowing up the reel. No luck finding one for less than 50$ though, one will come up someday.
In the meantime, I chucked up an aluminum bar drop from the scrap bin, and started turning an aluminum spool this afternoon. I'll turn it down and get it ready for the stainless steel shaft, but I'll have to make that too...yep, when I dropped the plastic spool and broke it I bent the reduced-diameter section on the original.
I hopefully will have a CNC lathe powered up this coming fall, and I have two CNC mills in my classroom...Should I spend the time to make billet Beachmasters?
Man I really thought i had this. Turns out a lot of early penn spools start with a 29...
I got a NIB 29m-250 if that helps.
It's OK Jason, I'm having fun making new parts. I should have the spool finished up on the lathe and ready to go into the mill to cut the cross-pin slot tomorrow afternoon, then I can start on the stainless through-shaft.
Once I have the spool made, I have to wait on some parts I ordered from Mystic. I am gonna have to hunt down an original pinion though, to match the perfectly fine main gear I already have. They're not too hard to find, I am waiting til payday before I order more stuff.
Yeah, I know I coulda just ordered the spool from Mystic...I just have a mountain of bar drops to play with.
No don't order anything
It's much more fun watching you make your own.
Keith
I found some I don't need. Lmk if you could use. Keith
Black plastic "29-200"
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Maroon plastic "unknown"
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Black plastic "29-155" (narrow) has a chip
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I have some parts....lemme know what you need and i will send on.
John
:D To hell with the plastic parts , I want to see a episode of as the lathe spins !!!!
Well here ya go Joe.
Roughed out, got my taper the way I wanted it on the left side, still needs adjusting on the right side.
(https://i.imgur.com/zjMVeFfh.jpg)
Here's the reason for turning...I was trying to get the extremely stuck on gear off the shaft, and fumbled the spool onto the concrete floor. Busted it pretty badly.
(https://i.imgur.com/GTpcEA9h.jpg)
And the spool finished up, 0.002" over length and on the money for concentricity, next to my favorite fishing snack.
(https://i.imgur.com/HYvs3drh.jpg)
You can see-I bent the clicker side spool pin and ended up grinding it down smooth to pop the clicker wheel off the end. When I remake the spool shaft, I'll just make it exactly the same way.
Nice, that`s a good opener for the series to follow ... :d
Walfram, I dont know much about metal work, but I was once told if the end of a shaft was bent, you can heat it red hot, then dip it vertical in water & it will straighten its self out, can anyone comment on that, cheers Don.
Wolfram, would you be interested in taking a custom order? It would be for a CT conversion bar. Which geometrically is basically a small diameter spool.
Donny, that would work for a minor, minor tweak but it won't move very much, and it will ruin most steel's heat treatment (if there is any).
Jason, sure, just send me a PM with some dimensions and I'll draw it up and let you measure against the drawing till we got what you want, and I'll machine it up.
I am considering copying every part of the reel, maybe making a frame, etc. It would use the same size frame as a 209, but I doubt the screw holes would be in the same places.
Quote from: sciaenops on March 08, 2023, 03:58:54 PMI found some I don't need. Lmk if you could use. Keith
Black plastic "29-200"
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Maroon plastic "unknown"
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Black plastic "29-155" (narrow) has a chip
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So I dropped the little stub of spool shaft I had, and it's gone forever. Can you measure the overall length of the shaft on one of the 29-200 spools?
Actually if you could give me dimensions for the overall shaft length for both the 29-200 and 29-155, and the plastic spool width on the 29-155? I could make both sizes of spool and shaft.
29-200 is 3.465 total length .
29-155 is 3.465 total length also .
I am getting 2.109 for spool diameter for both 155 and 200
The nub was .285 long with a .125 shaft diameter .
I have a 165 witch is narrower , spool length is 2.207 and total length is 3.153
Thanks Joe. I discovered an error in this first spool last night, it *should* be recoverable though.
I kinder know what you mean ... But just remember that you can change the design.
I wouldn`t slot the end of the spool for the drive pin . I would have drilled through the arbor and shaft than pin it with a hollow roll pin , kill two birds with one stone !
Now that's a good idea, Joe!
Just have to make sure the pin is nice and smooth and not sharp on the ID so it won't cut the line if things go wrong.
Quote from: Wolfram M on March 10, 2023, 02:09:59 AMQuote from: sciaenops on March 08, 2023, 03:58:54 PMI found some I don't need. Lmk if you could use. Keith
Black plastic "29-200"
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Maroon plastic "unknown"
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Black plastic "29-155" (narrow) has a chip
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So I dropped the little stub of spool shaft I had, and it's gone forever. Can you measure the overall length of the shaft on one of the 29-200 spools?
Actually if you could give me dimensions for the overall shaft length for both the 29-200 and 29-155, and the plastic spool width on the 29-155? I could make both sizes of spool and shaft.
My 29-155 shaft length (2.653") & spool width (1.654"). 29-200 shaft length matches Joe's
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The scope has crept quite a bit this week...Finals for 3rd quarter of school so I did a lot of sitting and waiting for students to be done writing their exams...Which meant I had 4 hours a day to sit around and draw...
I spent some time trying to figure out what the thread size for the spool bushings was in this reel. I have read on the bearing cups for ball-bearing reels, the size is 1/2"-28TPI, but that Newell and Accurate and Penn all use different sizes, and I can't find the *Bushing* thread size anywhere.
the ID of the bushing thread is 0.245", OD 0.276", and the thread pitch appears to be 0.8mm. The *closest* standard thread is M7x0.8mm, so I am going to roll with that size.
Now I have some CNC programming to do...
The threads are unlikely to be metric on an old penn. But they are likely to be common to a different penn reel. Just saying. I'm going home late this afternoon after 4 days away. I hope to be able to look at a few to compare for you.
"As the Lathe Spins". Can't wait to see more.
Mike
Picked up an M7x0.8 bolt at the auto parts store-fits in there perfect. Might seem odd but that is apparently what both the old and new bushing thread is for these.
Billet non-handle-sideplate is drawn up and programmed, so I should be able to run the mill maybe wendsday afternoon and make one.
I think it is 9/32 x 32 thread . I will look for more solid information ..
Hi, Wolfram's measurements and observations align pretty well with Joe's recollection of 9/32 x 32 tpi;
9/32" = 7.144mm, and
32 tpi = 0.794 mm pitch
I reckon the metric 7.0 x 0.8 mm might/will be interchangeable for short holes like a side plate bushing but like Jason said, Penn didn't do metric on their older reels.
Mike
amazing talent!!!!
Quote from: alantani on March 13, 2023, 03:12:08 PMamazing talent!!!!
We'll see. It doesn't fish yet...
In other news I did find a 29L-100 aluminum spool and a 29M-150 chromed brass spool that are only the same cost as a whole 'nuther reel, so I may snag one one of those to get this reel back together.
Still gonna make the drawings and try to machine a fully functional billet copy, I got the tools and all summer to play around with them so why not.
:o So you got 10-15 minutes to finish up the spool and now you are going to bail out ? :fish
Quote from: oldmanjoe on March 13, 2023, 07:18:21 PM:o So you got 10-15 minutes to finish up the spool and now you are going to bail out ? :fish
Hell no!
I'm just going to have a much nicer part to measure when I make my billet Beachmaster copy!
I have been finishing the toolpaths for milling aluminum side plates and an aluminum frame, and I'm waiting on some 5/16" stainless rod to show up for the spool axle. I'll finish the spool, then I'll make a whole new frame, sideplates, and probably a few more spools in different widths, that all use the Penn internals.
:d I am familiar how one thing leads to another !! Simple projects syndrome .
My local Mitutoyo says the bushing tpi is 32.
Turns out I have a pretty clean one of these with a metal spool.
So don't go deleting that design for plates when you're finished with it. I may have to place an order.
Crazy idea: a magnum build for the handle side plate. Which is to say sized to use gears from the next size up. One of these lil fellas with jigmaster gears would be super cool.
I've already been looking at that. Originally, the gears are 3.0:1 ratio, but using a 5C-209 gearset gets you 3.2:1 in the same spot with no other mods.
I think I could get it to 4.0:1 without much extra effort, but it'll have to wait a bit because I leave for Pensacola on Friday the 31st. Headed down to do some fishing around the bay bridges and off the piers and beaches.
OK. I got the 29L-100 spool in (narrow spool) and the plan is to make spool shafts in this size, the 155 size, and the 200 size first. I need to get this correct before i can trim the spool in to the right size.
Once I have spool shafts to the correct length, making the spools to fit them consistently is much easier.
;) I agree it would be easier . :d
HA! I found a chunk of 3" OD, 2" ID aluminum tube waaaaaaay back on the stock shelf this afternoon. That'll do, I think.
This is going to get out of hand quickly once I get home from Pensacola.
Quote from: Wolfram M on March 19, 2023, 08:09:37 PMHA! I found a chunk of 3" OD, 2" ID aluminum tube waaaaaaay back on the stock shelf this afternoon. That'll do, I think.
This is going to get out of hand quickly once I get home from Pensacola.
It`s about time you use that piece that you had for a couple years !!!!
Haven't done much with this over the summer, but school's starting back up again and I'll be back in the machine shop every day.
To "celebrate" I setup and laser cut a dozen stainless steel bridge plates out, and will turn some stainless bridge posts to suit in the next few weeks. Maybe by december break I'll have some stainless 3-155 bridge plates/posts finished up, I did finish two 29-200 size spools and I have fished with one of them once this summer.
Didn't get to go fishing nearly enough though, everything's getting too expensive and I have had to get registered and pay for college this fall (again...) to keep my job.
Got a few minutes in the shop today and found some 17-4 stainless rod to make the bridge post out of, it can be hardened up easily so it won't wear out as badly as 304 or 316.
Mystic seems to have some 155 size stainless sleeves, so those are available.
The models have been made, and tooling ordered, to make the aluminum side plates. Maybe christmas? We'll see.
Bridge plate billets are here. They'll get the post brazed in place, the bevel cut, and the holes tapped, and I can just move the post down about 0.125" and a 3-155 becomes a 3-200 bridge plate. I'll actually have to measure the difference and make the second drawing, but just holding the two side by side that's the only difference I can find.
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very impressive!!!!
I make moves at a glacial pace, and had some setbacks during the summer that have slowed a lot of things down, but I am hoping by winter break I'll have 12 reels worth of parts made.
I gotta get the original reel back together with the narrow spool and stand so I can put it on my new rod and learn how to use it-I have not attempted to use a conventional reel since I was 14 years old and it did not go well then.
I picked up a 10ft medium-heavy Penn Squadron III for 32$ new, I figure with the narrowed Beachmaster I can learn to throw that on the surf next to the spinning setup. It will just take practice and time to learn.
Awesome! Time ain't a thing if the parts come out right. Is the bevel needed on the bridge plates?
It might be, and the plate is slightly too thick already. The plates are 0.100" thick now and need to be 0.080" thick to match the originals. I turned the first post today, and it fits the plate and barely fits the sleeve so hopefully during the brazing process, which is also the heat treatment process, it will do what the heat sheet says it should do and shrink radially. I'm planning to furnace braze these so no riveted/peened over post that could potentially get loose somehow. I haven't heard of it being a real problem though so probably just overkill.
The furnace brazing does let me integrate the 17-4 stainless heat treatment into the brazing operation, so I'm catching two fish on the same drop here.
Sounds good watching this closely, keep it coming, thanks cheers Don.
Broke of a 5-40 tap drill in the first half-frame today. Didn't even make it half-way through the program and the stock relaxed enough to loosen up in the vise, when I started drilling it took two holes to pull it up out of the vice and sling it into the chip pan.
I'll try again monday.
yup.