Guys, plenty of pictures of Penn reels and Love them all but there is a nice number of fanboys of the abu garcia reels in the Ohana, lets see some pics of those beautiful reels that have mostly remained the same through the pass of time.
all Abu Garcia ambassadeur reels are welcome, new model, classic style, vintage, etc.
I will start posting few pics of mines
my 6500c3 along a saltist 20h
my 6600c
I love those reels and have a bunch just to look at on the shelves. I will try to get some pictures posted. I have at least 30 of them. They are fun to up upgrade for maximum freespool.
Keith
now its the turn of the Abu 7000C and the new kid on the bloc the Abu Record 60
next time I will try to take pictures of them on the battle field with a nice catch
Nice stable of Abu reels Alex! Here's my 5000D, a 5000B on an Ugly Stik Tiger, and a tweaked 5000C. 8)
From my blog: Kimberley Rod amd Reel.
ABU 7000 Syncro from eBay Japan.
The Syncro has not seen production for at least 20 years now but it has always held a very special place in my heart of days gone by when you could drive your car out to the end of the jetty and no one would even blink an eye. Days when 8kg winter mackerel were plentiful for the taking if you could sneak them past the giant groupers lurking beneath the pylons.
And this is where the Syncro was in a class all of it's own. You see, turning the handle backwards 180 degrees would put the reel into a controlled freespool so if a large predator did show up, with just a flick of the handle you could easily "release" your quarry to make another run, thus evading the groupers. Meanwhile you could walk 100 meters down the jetty and get a second chance at landing it. That is, if it didn't get nailed by a shark waiting out wide in the current.
My old flat-mate, Darryl owned one of these back then so this was always a very coveted reel for me and now after 20 years I finally own one myself. It looks to be in superb condition so I cannot wait for it to arrive.
I wonder what ever happened to Darryl?
Comment Brett Stevenson
Hey I got it! Arrived in the mail today. I thought, no way could it look as good in the flesh as those eBay glossies. But hell yeah, it really does! A 20-30yo reel in absolutely mint condition.
Think I will encase it in a block of transparent resin and put it on the shelf :)
great story and also great reel
Here's one I really regret parting with! :'(
Old timer musky fishermen will recognize the etched logo.
ABU Record 2200 Expert from pre-Ambassadeur days. Has freespool but no anti reverse or drag.
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/ABU2200c.jpg)
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/ABU2200e.jpg)
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-steve
Nice! What's everybody's favorite Abu?
Steve do you know the date yours was made?
This's a '73 5000. Casts surprisingly well. I'm impressed with the engineering on these. I wanted one with a minimum of plastic on it.
Probably not used too much and came from the N. Midwest(not used in saltwater?). It's got spool bushings and a 2 brake wt. centrifical cast control. I's thinkin maybe if I do any upgrades beyond c-tex drag washers, try b.bearings for the level winder. Whatdaya think?
@nelz. beautiful picture buddy and looks like a nice reel, no wonder why you regret selling it
@Steve, nice vintage abu reel, love that you put them to work while everybody else have them on the shelf, myself included
@Gregg, these reels are also like legos, many parts from one model fit into another making some unique and custom reels, also there are tons of aftermarket upgrades to make them better, I say go for those Bearings on the leverwinder and bearing for the cog wheel, those are upgrades I've been having pending on my reel too.
Quote from: Gfish on February 03, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Steve do you know the date yours was made?
'52-'54. The Record was old technology when it was new. The 5000 came out in '54 and it was new technology. The original 5000 is probably my all-time favorite fishing reel and I've used them off and on since high school.
-steve
Among these are some oddballs you don't hear of often, the 5500KC3 and the 5500HCL, also the 550 Plus. Made in Sweden but most likely cheapened for BPS, Kmart and Walmart. Some have bearings, others bushings, some instant anti-reverse, others A/R dogs.
Around 2010 Dunn's Sporting Goods in Missouri was selling new 6000C for $45 plus shipping; no box or papers but never used. I wish I'd ordered 3 or 4 more, because soon afterward the 6000C was discontinued.
My favorite of the lot is this 5000B I bought new around 1977-78. A very versatile reel, can be used for throwing lures for largemouth b@$$ and stripers/hybrids and smaller river muskie or bottom fishing for catfish, drum, carp, and buffalo. To my knowledge in the past several years there have been no 5000 series manufactured with the bait clicker unless ordered aftermarket from Jerry Foran. There were some 4600 series from the factory with baitclickers named the Kokanee Special but they're very scarce.
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Cleaned up. No parts added and it worked just like new.
Quote from: Lunker Larry on February 15, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
Cleaned up. No parts added and it worked just like new.
This reel looks like it could tell one heck of a fish story. Love it!
Quote from: Lunker Larry on February 15, 2019, 03:51:00 PM
Cleaned up. No parts added and it worked just like new.
yay, that rude boy is like the terminator , great job
@ Festus, great collection buddy, all of them seems to be in pristine condition, good work on the maintenance
@ Tincanary, love vivid color of the small orange abu.
Quote from: steelfish on February 15, 2019, 05:36:27 PM
@ Tincanary, love vivid color of the small orange abu.
Thanks. It's a 4500CS Rocket. The 4500CS Rockets don't come up very often and I jumped at the chance to get it a month ago. It's only 2 BB, but it does have fiber brake blocks. It must've sat on a shelf for some time because it was a little crunchy out of the box, so I broke it down, cleaned it up, and added a thumb rest from a Record 40. Smooth as a baby's behind now :). Once the ice clears up around here, I'm going to take it smallmouth fishing on Lake St Clair.
OK, it's time to get serious here with some real reels. ;D
Here's a portion of the herd: :)
Bravo Tommy! Fantastic stable, just smokin'!
The photos of my tricked out 5601C4 reels got "photobucketed" and I can't find another copy but will try to take more photos of the assembled reels. They both have clickers, AR bearings and dogs, Carbontex drag washers and different handles and handle arms. One is a thumb bar and the other has the disengagement tab. I built the non thumb bar reel because one of my friends I fish with kept hitting the thumb bar when reeling in, he said it was the reel going out of gear and I told him it was the operator and it works for me.
For the hell of it I bid on a 4600C4 on e-bay and was the only bidder, it will be here next Friday.... like I really need another reel but I have never seen a 4600 so now I have one. It will be a good makanaw and large brown trout reel.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on February 15, 2019, 06:55:14 PM
OK, it's time to get serious here with some real reels. ;D
Here's a portion of the herd: :)
now thats the difference between professionals and amateurs
great collection right there Tommy, where the rest of the herd?
Quote from: Keta on February 16, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
The photos of my tricked out 5601C4 reels got "photobucketed" and I can't find another copy but will try to take more photos of the assembled reels. They both have clickers, AR bearings and dogs, Carbontex drag washers and different handles and handle arms. One is a thumb bar and the other has the disengagement tab. I built the non thumb bar reel because one of my friends I fish with kept hitting the thumb bar when reeling in, he said it was the reel going out of gear and I told him it was the operator and it works for me.
For the hell of it I bid on a 4600C4 on e-bay and was the only bidder, it will be here next Friday.... like I really need another reel but I have never seen a 4600 so now I have one. It will be a good makanaw and large brown trout reel.
The 4600 is a nice reel. I have a C3 I use for throwing hardware for steelhead. Mine is new production and super smooth, especially after I cleaned up the Abu factory peanut butter job.
Quote from: steelfish on February 16, 2019, 05:44:27 PM
now thats the difference between professionals and amateurs
great collection right there Tommy, where the rest of the herd?
I'm stickin' with the "ABU Garcia" branch of that family tree.
So here's an updated photo with a few additions on the bottom 3 shelves. I've got about 20 more of the 2nd & 3rd shelf black "fulcrums" on rods out in the boat waiting for the weather & water to open up. :)
Here's my meager ABU collection less the 4500C4 that is in the mail.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/27/1583_17_02_19_8_16_33.jpeg)
Here's my tricked out 5601's, notice they both have clickers.
(http://alantani.com/gallery/27/1583_17_02_19_8_17_32.jpeg)
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Couple of surf blasters
Cool reels Andy! 8000 & 10000?
Sal
6500's Sal with some upgrades
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 17, 2019, 05:23:56 PM
Cool reels Andy! 8000 & 10000?
Sal
I did not see the level wind, unless it's from the angle of the pic.
Is that an aftermarket frame on the one above?
Yeah Andy. Looks like more upgrade than ABU. I see the CT conversion plugs on the one but where did that one-piece frame come from?
-steve
Steve/Sal: The frame is from a guy who recently retired in England. QTC frames on google. Mag's from over there somewhere I don't recall. Bought a chrome rocket for the side plates. Ended up with two non-level wind surfcasters. The QTC frames are used by competition distance casters from what I remember. Very sold little reel. Landed many fish during my years in Florida.
Andy
Quote from: oc1 on February 17, 2019, 07:46:33 PM
Yeah Andy. Looks like more upgrade than ABU. I see the CT conversion plugs on the one but where did that one-piece frame come from?
-steve
Might as well throw my 2 cents worth in.....wished there were more upgrades like for penn's! hint hint
I love extra small reels and picked up this 1977 ABU 1500C a few months go. Paid a hundred bucks which is more than I'm usually willing to spend but a little less than the going rate. On arrival it was found to have a bent stand and two bent stand posts so the spool was rubbing on the shroud. It must have been dropped or walloped from above. It was just set aside until now.
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/ABU1500Ca.jpg)
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It's raining too much to do anything important so, while it was out for photos, I straightened out the stand and posts. It has decent freespool now and should be good enough to fish with. Some extraneous parts were also removed.
(http://www.raingarden.us/snap/ABU1500Cf.jpg)
The next step is to relocate the uppermost post forward to make more room. I'm sure it can be done but keeping the quick take apart feature will be tricky. Will probably end up with three instead of two thumb screws.
Then, finally, put a smaller handle on the thing.
-steve
Thanks Andy!
A friend from Italy has shown some pics of Abu parts in the past, I just contacted him to see if he knows anything else.
Sal
He does not know that gentleman from UK. He said he had a bunch of replacement parts for ABU and sold most of them.
@ Andy, amazing solid frame amigo, now thats an upgrade from a 6500
@ Steve, cute small reel, I would have left the levelwind.
wondering how long it measures the "power handle" ::) :P
Haven't been able to have someone dig all my ABU's out for picks, but they're Pro
Rockets that have 5600 thumb bar frames installed, carbon fiber drags, and power handles so will bring yellow tail to the boat. Some were left in the 6500 models for deeper fishing applications.
It's my understanding the Pro Rockets were never exported to the US, but I've never had any problem finding parts.
That should be a QTC frame from the UK. Here are my Abu reels. Here are my Abu reels.
Mike
Cool reels Mike. I see the one in front doesn't have the lever wind, is it removable?
Sal
I converted it with a special post from the UK. The reel I modified completely with everything I could do for casting. The beast is extensively modified also.
Mike
Quote from: mikeysm on February 18, 2019, 09:49:34 PM
I converted it with a special post from the UK. The reel I modified completely with everything I could do for casting. The beast is extensively modified also.
Mike
the beast looks like a beast indeed,
can you list the mods you have made in that reel?
The beast is just a updated inshore. It came with carbon drags. The pinion shaft has a special ceramic coating on it. I found stainless gears for a inshore that fit my beast. I installed a gear sleeve with a bearing. Also a ceramic pawl. Then added ceramic hybrid bearings. Then installed a aluminum idler gear with dual bearings. There are tons of upgrades for these reels. You just have to look for them.
Mike
This is my only ABU conventional now. A 1974 model 12, made in 1983. Made for IGFA 12 lb class.
I love its chromed brass side plates and nearly everything inside is stainless.
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(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/ABU%2012%20rear_zps3tvkmlqo.jpg)
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Here are a couple more I used to have. A 6500c3CT Mag Elite and a first model 10000c.
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/ABU6500C3CTMagElite_zpsd7cdaf7c.jpg)
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a601/george8322/P1020145_zps9307acae.jpg)
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Greg
I might have to stop looking at this thread. You guys are pulling out some nice stuff and interesting ideas. There's a craving coming on and I can't afford it.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on February 19, 2019, 06:17:34 AM
I might have to stop looking at this thread.
-steve
you are trapped Steve, what has been seen cannot be unseen
Picked this up cheap at the flea market the other day. After alot of cleaning and TLC...
It got new CF drag from Smoooth, and a stainless steel handle from a Shimano Bantam. The thumb rest is missing (but I don't miss that).
I ended up removing the cruddy old information stickers that wrap around the side covers so now the reel remains an enigma to most. 8) I think it looks much better without them though. All in all, I have a nice inshore beater reel for when I don't want to muck up my beauty queens.
Care to guess the model?
Quote from: nelz on February 25, 2019, 09:39:59 PM
Care to guess the model?
my best bet is an abu 6500c3
Quote from: nelz on February 25, 2019, 09:39:59 PM
Picked this up cheap at the flea market the other day. After alot of cleaning and TLC...
It got new CF drag from Smoooth, and a stainless steel handle from a Shimano Bantam. The thumb rest is missing (but I don't miss that).
I ended up removing the cruddy old information stickers that wrap around the side covers so now the reel remains an enigma to most. 8) I think it looks much better without them though. All in all, I have a nice inshore beater reel for when I don't want to muck up my beauty queens.
Care to guess the model?
year or make? If it's make i'm not betting! looks like some kind of 5500 cs mag????? This reel does look good w/out stickers.Is the color gunmetal?
Quote from: steelfish on February 26, 2019, 12:06:57 AMmy best bet is an abu 6500c3
Yes-sir, of course you would get it given your opening post on this thread. This is probably a bit older model than yours, but it does have infinite AR.
Ambassadeur 30
That 30 looks pristine Robert, has it been used or even had line on it?
Mike
Quote from: Robert Janssen on February 26, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
Ambassadeur 30
WOW. You don't find those at the fairground flea mkt!!
Quote
That 30 looks pristine Robert, has it been used or even had line on it?
Mike
Oh yes, I think so anyway. I used to have a pristine, unused one. Sold it and bought this one instead as something that could actually be used instead of just being a shelf queen.
Come to think of it, this might have a lightweight aluminum spool I made in it; maybe that is why it is so shiny.
I also made a stainless box for it.
Wow 😲 Robert, you are over the top. Seriously :o
Quote from: Robert Janssen on February 26, 2019, 06:59:25 AM
Ambassadeur 30
wow, now thats a unique Abu
and amazing job on the new aluminium spool
Very nice Dr. Rob !!! I have a 20 and a 30 Abu as well but condition not as good !! Nice REEL !! John Taylor
Quote from: nelz on February 26, 2019, 02:32:40 AM
Quote from: steelfish on February 26, 2019, 12:06:57 AMmy best bet is an abu 6500c3
Yes-sir, of course you would get it given your opening post on this thread. This is probably a bit older model than yours, but it does have infinite AR.
it wasnt that hard, the 6500c3 was the 1st abu reel I have since many years ago and felt in love with the brand, I know every detail of it LOL
Here's a recent pick, don't know diddly about Abu's, but thought it was a cool bundle anyways. If anybody wants this package let me know, I thought my brother would want it for his lake, but he just bought a bunch of new bass gear and doesn't need it. Here's what the guy wrote down for me:
Abu Mag 523 & 323
Abu 523 and 323, reels were made about mid 1980's and are in mint condition.
Magnetic cast control instead of bushings. Level wind and a few magnets removed
from tournament distance casting reel; also custom crossbar attached.
Backup reel in stock condition; like new, never used, with spare spool.
Spare parts, handles, gears, lube, drags, parts diagrams, etc.
With original boxes.
Doc, I had no idea you also make your own spools...amazing stuff, you can pretty much make the complete reel from scratch.
Didn't the 30 inspired you to make a mini version, or am I imagining things?
Sal
Quote from: Robert Janssen on February 26, 2019, 04:34:04 PM
..... Come to think of it, this might have a lightweight aluminum spool I made in it;.....
Lightweight is a bit of an understatement, 222gms compared to 624gms for the stock spool is a significant reduction of 402gms (around 14 oz). I think Jack Erskine was doing a similar modification to these big Ambassadeurs, back when they were used more.
Mike
Quote from: Alto Mare on February 26, 2019, 11:37:26 PM
Doc, I had no idea you also make your own spools...amazing stuff, you can pretty much make the complete reel from scratch.
Didn't the 30 inspired you to make a mini version, or am I imagining things?
Sal
Yes, that is right. I named it the Ambassadeur 3.0 HST. There are a few threads at various forums about it. Just google it; you should find it easily.
Quote from: mhc on February 27, 2019, 11:27:10 AM
Lightweight is a bit of an understatement, 222gms compared to 624gms for the stock spool is a significant reduction of 402gms (around 14 oz). I think Jack Erskine was doing a similar modification to these big Ambassadeurs, back when they were used more.
Mike
Yeah, I talked with him about that once upon a long ago. He made a few spools too, but i don't know what they looked like. Maybe not quite as ambitious as this one; this was really quite a lot of work. I still have callouses from the rotary table. It could have been simplified and had some more weight shaved off.
Ambassadeur 3.0 at work
ABU 999.
Three speed spinning reel.
Quote from: Robert Janssen on March 01, 2019, 07:57:28 AM
ABU 999.
Three speed spinning reel.
Wow 3 speed reel
How it switch speed ?
Quote from: Robert Janssen on March 01, 2019, 07:55:38 AM
Ambassadeur 3.0 at work
It's no secret I've been fascinated by both the detailed design and machining skills needed to create this working scale model of the Ambassadeur 30 since I first saw it. To see it 'wet and working' just confirms the brilliance of your work. Thanks for the inspiration.
Mike
Quote from: Robert Janssen on February 27, 2019, 06:26:33 PM
I named it the Ambassadeur 3.0 HST. There are a few threads at various forums about it. Just google it; you should find it easily.
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=12783 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=12783)
The all-time greatest fishing reel post ever..... bar none. Since I love small reels the finale was spectacular.
-steve
Quote from: steelfish on March 01, 2019, 09:14:39 AM
Quote from: Robert Janssen on March 01, 2019, 07:57:28 AM
ABU 999.
Three speed spinning reel.
Wow 3 speed reel
How it switch speed ?
A knurled sleeve on the handle/main gear stem housing. It was actually made by Zangi of Italy, though, and called the 3V. ABU sold it as the 999.
I finally found the box of the 5000 baitcasting reels. I will get pictures tomorrow if my wife lets me.
Keith
Quote from: oc1 on March 01, 2019, 08:12:25 PMhttp://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=12783 (http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopic.php?t=12783)
The all-time greatest fishing reel post ever..... bar none. Since I love small reels the finale was spectacular.
-steve
I was wondering how huge of a perch that was. Turns out it was just a tiny reel! Absolutely amazing!
Just came in the mail, supposedly from 1968, I don't know much about ABU's but thing thing has a lot of character with it's see-thru spool and cool handle!
It's been on a shelf for 40yrs... it spins great and is smooth as heck. I want to service it, put some line on it and take it to my brothers lake and catch a bass or three...
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 15, 2019, 08:22:50 PM
Just came in the mail, supposedly from 1968, I don't know much about ABU's but thing thing has a lot of character with it's see-thru spool and cool handle!
Hey Darin, she's a beauty. I learned a bunch working on Abu's they are a pleasure to work on. Btw, that's a removable arbor on the spool, allows you to put less line on.
Quote from: nelz on March 15, 2019, 08:29:57 PM
that's a removable arbor on the spool, allows you to put less line on.
... and reduces the overall spool weight so it casts farther.
-steve
thanks for the info, I had no clue about the arbor, going to put some 12# mono on it and go throw some crank baits to start...
Neat reel and find, Darin!
Check the # on the bottom of the foot. The Black C was introduced to the public in 1967. Their serial #s started with 1001. The 3 screw model started in Jan '68 with a foot # close to 35100, +- 45. In June of '71 they went to the 6 digit foot #, mm,yy,lot, i.e. 087100-Aug'71first lot or batch. Maybe we can come close to when it was made.
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 15, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
Neat reel and find, Darin!
Check the # on the bottom of the foot. The Black C was introduced to the public in 1967. Their serial #s started with 1001. The 3 screw model started in Jan '68 with a foot # close to 35100, +- 45. In June of '71 they went to the 6 digit foot #, mm,yy,lot, i.e. 087100-Aug'71first lot or batch. Maybe we can come close to when it was made.
foot has 148808 on it
Great find Darin! I've been catfishing 5000s for smaller channels...love 'em! If you're used to bass fishing modern baitcasters you may find the 5000 a bit slow, but no worries, that gives you an excuse to seek out a 5500c! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on March 15, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Great find Darin! I've been catfishing 5000s for smaller channels...love 'em! If you're used to bass fishing modern baitcasters you may find the 5000 a bit slow, but no worries, that gives you an excuse to seek out a 5500c! 8)
Mike, I grew up bass fishing, but haven't done it much in years, it's been all about the salt for about 30 yrs.
It will be fun no matter what, hanging with my brother and using a similar reel that I used many moons ago...
How are the cats biting lately? or is it too cold where you live?
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 15, 2019, 10:05:32 PM
How are the cats biting lately? or is it too cold where you live?
The fish are probably biting well...but we just can't get on the river. It's been swelled so high most of the shore access has been under water. Then when the water recedes all that mud is left behind. Things are settling out now...should get a line wet soon. We Crappie fished a lake the past 2 days, no big'uns but caught a good share. The ol' Penn 720z got it done again! 8)
specks are fun to catch, but much better to eat! glad you caught some buddy!
Quote from: mo65 on March 15, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Great find Darin! I've been catfishing 5000s for smaller channels...love 'em! If you're used to bass fishing modern baitcasters you may find the 5000 a bit slow, but no worries, that gives you an excuse to seek out a 5500c! 8)
Mike, it is a 5000C. Click on the photo twice to blow it up, once for another window and then to enlarge it.
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 15, 2019, 09:52:19 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 15, 2019, 09:43:40 PM
Neat reel and find, Darin!
Check the # on the bottom of the foot. The Black C was introduced to the public in 1967. Their serial #s started with 1001. The 3 screw model started in Jan '68 with a foot # close to 35100, +- 45. In June of '71 they went to the 6 digit foot #, mm,yy,lot, i.e. 087100-Aug'71first lot or batch. Maybe we can come close to when it was made.
foot has 148808 on it
Probably mid 1970ish. According to ABU log books, #189010 is the highest serial number entered before lot numbers took over sometime in mid 1971. 067100....June 1971 is one of the earliest mmyylot #s known for 5000C after the numbering change.
Darin, you know there are some upgrades for that reel. Ball bearings for the worm, better idler and stuff like that.
-steve
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 16, 2019, 02:06:10 AM
Quote from: mo65 on March 15, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Great find Darin! I've been catfishing 5000s for smaller channels...love 'em! If you're used to bass fishing modern baitcasters you may find the 5000 a bit slow, but no worries, that gives you an excuse to seek out a 5500c! 8)
Mike, it is a 5000C. Click on the photo twice to blow it up, once for another window and then to enlarge it.
Read my comment again Tommy. I'm sorry...but I'll have to fine you a Cardinal from your collection...HA!!! I think the 5000s were like 3.5:1 or so...the 5500s were 5.3:1.
Quote from: oc1 on March 16, 2019, 06:47:08 AM
Darin, you know there are some upgrades for that reel. Ball bearings for the worm, better idler and stuff like that.
-steve
Steve, is there a website that sells all the upgrades in one place? Thanks for the suggestions!
Quote from: mo65 on March 16, 2019, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Midway Tommy on March 16, 2019, 02:06:10 AM
Quote from: mo65 on March 15, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
Great find Darin! I've been catfishing 5000s for smaller channels...love 'em! If you're used to bass fishing modern baitcasters you may find the 5000 a bit slow, but no worries, that gives you an excuse to seek out a 5500c! 8)
Mike, it is a 5000C. Click on the photo twice to blow it up, once for another window and then to enlarge it.
Read my comment again Tommy. I'm sorry...but I'll have to fine you a Cardinal from your collection...HA!!! I think the 5000s were like 3.5:1 or so...the 5500s were 5.3:1.
Well I completely misunderstood the sentence as I read it that you were suggesting Darin to go looking for a C and I knew he already has one. ;) Which one do you want, no 3s, though? ;D
Tommy, if you're sending a Cardinal to Mike make sure you put those special titanium washers in it like you put in mine ;) ;) ;)
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 16, 2019, 04:37:45 PM
Steve, is there a website that sells all the upgrades in one place? Thanks for the suggestions!
I think they're scattered around. Mikes Reel Repair, Dads Ole Tackle, Hedgehog Studio, Black Dog Tackle, Reel Custom Reels, etc. It takes some effort.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on March 16, 2019, 07:51:47 PM
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 16, 2019, 04:37:45 PM
Steve, is there a website that sells all the upgrades in one place? Thanks for the suggestions!
I think they're scattered around. Mikes Reel Repair, Dads Ole Tackle, Hedgehog Studio, Black Dog Tackle, Reel Custom Reels, etc. It takes some effort.
-steve
ok thank you Steve ;D
Japan tackle and the shipping is not bad . You will get the parts fast. Don't order from Mike's tackle you will wait forever. Japan tackle will ship right away.
Mike
Quote from: mikeysm on March 17, 2019, 07:50:24 AM
Japan tackle and the shipping is not bad . You will get the parts fast. Don't order from Mike's tackle you will wait forever. Japan tackle will ship right away.
Mike
Thank you Mike!
Quote from: Darin Crofton on March 16, 2019, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: oc1 on March 16, 2019, 06:47:08 AM
Darin, you know there are some upgrades for that reel. Ball bearings for the worm, better idler and stuff like that.
-steve
Steve, is there a website that sells all the upgrades in one place? Thanks for the suggestions!
Jerry Foran here is with us here in Florida and I get my stuff from him usually within 2 or 3 days. Hookless.com He has made me a dozen Frankenreels from his inventory of souped up parts. Little 2500's for bass, 4500's for Snook. Its a slippery slope........Snook fishing with a custom reel. New stuff just isn't good enough for me anymore. Its led me to custom rods and even to only using custom Daniel's Florida wooden plugs. Don't tell my wife but I'm even thinking about making my own wooden skiff from plans out of an old Popular Mechanics!
A little family photo. There are some not pictured that are in my garage. I just refreshed these ones for the season.
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My boys..... all "frankenreels" with ceramic hybrid bb's, ceramic pawls, 2 bb idler cogs etc.....
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wow those are some jools i tellya, jools!!
John
tincanary & 0119, those are some great reels, love them !!
Those are some beautiful reels. Thankfully a rabbit hole I have yet to descend into
Thanks guys! They all get fished, no safe queens. The 2500c's are a blast for bass.
Great group of reels, guys!
Quote from: Swami805 on March 21, 2019, 03:59:03 PM
Those are some beautiful reels. Thankfully a rabbit hole I have yet to descend into
what about the Newell rabbit hole compadre?
Haha Alex don't see daylight anymore that holes gotten pretty deep. I do have a 5500c and 4500 that I used it a float tube for quite awhile. Great tough reels and not many moving parts to break. Seemed like more and more white sharks along the coast here so no more float tubing for me! I should clean those up and get them going again
All the parts available for abu's makes it very tempting especially seeing the reels on here
Quote from: 0119 on March 21, 2019, 06:06:29 PM
Thanks guys! They all get fished, no safe queens. The 2500c's are a blast for bass.
Amen. I know some guys have shelf queens, but I gotta put my nicer ones on fish from time to time. I've been using my BM 1600s for steelhead lately, what a hoot.
Quote from: tincanary on March 22, 2019, 11:28:43 AM
Quote from: 0119 on March 21, 2019, 06:06:29 PM
Thanks guys! They all get fished, no safe queens. The 2500c's are a blast for bass.
Amen. I know some guys have shelf queens, but I gotta put my nicer ones on fish from time to time. I've been using my BM 1600s for steelhead lately, what a hoot.
Ha Ha...... I used to put my 2500's on a Loomis Kokonee rod with 4lb mono on and spend days playing with baby Tarpon in landlocked ponds.
Quote from: 0119 on March 22, 2019, 08:20:22 PM
Ha Ha...... I used to put my 2500's on a Loomis Kokonee rod with 4lb mono on and spend days playing with baby Tarpon in landlocked ponds.
That's what I'm doing, 1600 on a 7'6" Koke rod with 6lb mono. I actually prefer it more than my standard 9'+ steelhead rods, much easier to carry through the woods and the fight is top notch.
Here's a 5000 with a clicker that arrived this morning. The clicker wasn't working but I used an illustration by Nelz to get it going. https://alantani.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24202.0;attach=47785;image
Abus in pretty good shape have been going at reasonable prices on ebay lately, got this Abu 6000 in the mail today. Probably made in the early 1970s, number on the bottom of reel foot is 730604.
I've already taken it apart, given it a good cleaning and strung it up with 17 lb Cajun Red mono. No real open space here on the hill but I was getting 60 yd practice casts with a 1 oz bank sinker until I hit the top of the goat shed.
BTW, here's an old story in a Field & Stream written about the old red Abus. https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/gear/2002/06/red-reel
Wow, she's a beauty. Those old red Abu's have the richest red finish of any reel to date. That's a June 1973, 4th revision.
Btw, if you're going to fish it, keep a look-out for high speed gear sets available for these reels.
A beautiful top quality reel.
Got me one more red Abu today. Spooled her up with 12 lb. Viscious mono, found a 5-1/2' MH Rhino rod in the garage rafters, she's ready to go bassin'. This is a 5000A from the mid to late 1970s.
Beautiful reel amigo
Nice work
This red 6000 is the first reel I've bought since the pandemic. Not really been much on ebay l've been interested in until this one. Number on reel seat is 010902. I have no idea what year this one was manufactured. Plenty of spare parts included.
Jeez Louise Chester...that one looks mint! Nice buy! 8)
Quote from: festus on May 15, 2020, 07:08:49 PM
This red 6000 is the first reel I've bought since the pandemic. Not really been much on ebay l've been interested in until this one. Number on reel seat is 010902. I have no idea what year this one was manufactured. Plenty of spare parts included.
Nice one, Chester! January, 1969, the second batch, i.e. variation.
nice reel
Abu ambassaduer are like a ferrari, they look awesome in red
This one just came to me, this morning. My cousin saw me in the yard, and said, "I'll be right back !". A few minutes later, he came back with two reels. A fly reel that had belonged to our Great Uncle, and this Garcia, that had belonged to our Uncle. Unfortunately, the Garcia was stored wrapped in a flannel rag...and drew quite a bit of moisture, over the years. I think when it's cleaned, the chrome will be pretty well gone, but, since it's a "family reel", as well as a "lefty", it'll have a home on my shelf (after a good "testing")
Quote from: Crow on May 16, 2020, 07:15:00 PM
Unfortunately, the Garcia was stored wrapped in a flannel rag...and drew quite a bit of moisture, over the years. I think when it's cleaned, the chrome will be pretty well gone, but, since it's a "family reel", as well as a "lefty", it'll have a home on my shelf (after a good "testing")
I don't know Arlyn, that doesn't look like the deep seeded corrosion that is under the chrome. It kinda looks like the type that washes away and leaves you saying "what the @#&%?" :D I see it has the dried on WD-40 also...that never bothers me...it is like a preservative coating. My advise is to spray the whole darn thing with fresh WD-40 and let it sit a while...then dish soap and warm water will take it all off. Then disassemble it for the internal cleaning. 8)
I absolutely love Ambassadeurs but have any of you guys ever landed a west coast yellowtail on one? I used to travel with a 6500 because it was light and I could drop it in my suitcase. I used it in Venezuela for peacock bass and I used it in Florida for amberjack and grouper. I always had a blast with it. Then one day I thought I'd give a whirl at San Clemente Island. I did land two yellowtail and a WSB but it was work (and a little terror). I was using the Amassadeur (which I brought for calico bass) because it had 20 lb mono and I could cast a mile with it. I just remember the deck-hand hollering, "MURDER THAT FISH!" my drag was buttoned down and I was anticipating the dainty little brass main gear blowing up at any moment but it never gave up. After the trip I tore it down and nothing was damaged but I know it was pushed to the absolute limit. This was before I discovered this group so I'm better prepared now and I have gear that's better suited. Fun reels and a dream to cast.
I use to take three 5500's with 10, 12, and 15 lb line on the CA charter boats. In a sketcht bight I could drop down light and toss plastics from the bow while everyone else was fighting for real estate at the stern. When the deck-hand would notice they would ask to try my rig for a few casts and they would usually reply something like, "Damn THAT'S fun!"
This 5500C is my first Ambassadeur. I got it for a pretty good price. It had a coating of dried WD-40 that was easy to clean up. I switched out the drag with CF and am getting ready to load it with line. Can't wait to catch a fish on it.
That 5500c is my brother's all time fav for catfishing. They cast great, and have good power for what they are. A classic design for sure. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on May 17, 2020, 04:46:27 PM
That 5500c is my brother's all time fav for catfishing. They cast great, and have good power for what they are. A classic design for sure. 8)
I plan on using it for catfish in the Potomac River (DC). You're kinda the catfish guru, what line would you use?
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on May 17, 2020, 05:59:37 PM
I plan on using it for catfish in the Potomac River (DC). You're kinda the catfish guru, what line would you use?
Most folks say to use 20lb. mono with these reels...but that is borderline too light for my liking. We use 30lb. mono with no problems at all. Also, since these reels don't have a clicker, we use circle hooks, put the reel in gear and just let the fish hook himself. Make sure the rod is staked or in a rod holder when doing this. Just resting it on a tackle box in gear will result in going home with no rod and reel! ;D
Thanks Mo,
Will load it up and hopefully post a fishing report soon
I am thinking about getting a Striper Special for my Sabiki rod. The old Tidewater is getting tired after 20 years.
those striper special reels look like a strong reels, I forgot to post in this thread my recently ambassadeur, an Abu record 60
this reel is really sturdy and solid, feels like a 7000 size on a 6500 suit, came with 3 CF washers, I still havent landed a fish on it yet, tho.
its now with a deep cleanup and lubed up ready to use it for some inshore action, its around 30% more heavy than my 6500c3
I am also an avid Abu Fan, here is one of my favorites, a big fish surf reel 6500CS Chrome Rocket converted to CT, bearings upgrade changed to ABEC 7 and Smooooth Drag washers installed. Quite a beast! RC
I gotta add this one to the list, favorite #2 (not that I don't like the others): Started as a worn out old tired 5500C project reel. To save its life I added ABEC 7 bearings, smoooth drag washers, threw away the level wind & converted to CT, added a mag brake (really nice addition), a few custom touches. My favorite light duty rig, even sold the calcutta 100 because how well this runs line. RC
beautiful reels buddy, liking the mag knob on the last one, it should cast a mile
Are those camo plates by Simon Shimomura?
Yeah, cool. How did you do that?
-steve
Sweet reel RC! I bought this 5600C4 LE right here from Hank's Tackle Box. I added the power handle. It's too pretty to scratch, but I have an urge to get it wet. 8)
Yes I understand, they were built to get wet. Let some line fly.
On the camo, it's really just old school - like we used to camo rifle stocks years ago. Stencils cut for each pattern, and acrylic paint then sealed with a clear polyurethane. Lot of work but it's kinda cool. RC
here's my 5500C. found it in my dad's garage. I pulled it apart, cleaned out old grease and relubed it. it spins so much better. I'm thinking some carbontex drags and maybe pull out the levelwind, and use it for casting bait for surfperch.
I have a few 5500c and a 4500c that I beat up pretty good, take a licking and keep on ticking. There's some handles on Ebay for cheap that are a big improvement. The downside of that model is only 2 drag washers, still plenty good for 20lb and under.
Those good ol' 5500Cs are great reels stock, but with some hot rodding they become a beast. This one has all steel gears, CF drags, and the aluminum frame. If Akios made a frame to fit the 7000, we'd have a complete monster of an Abu! 8)
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That's a beauty and a beast Moe, nice one!
Great reel you got there. Where do the steel gears come from?
Quote from: PacRat on August 23, 2020, 05:25:49 PM
Great reel you got there. Where do the steel gears come from?
Thanks Mike. The gear set came from Akios, but it looks like they are currently sold out. Absolutely silky smooth ss gears...for 40 bucks. Why did I not buy a few more sets?? :-\
https://akios-superstore.co.uk/epages/eshop1251544.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop1251544/Products/%22Stainless%20Steel%20Gears%22
Beautiful reel Mo. I bought a 7000 in early eighties. Another reel I regret selling.
Greg
Quote from: Swami805 on August 23, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
I have a few 5500c and a 4500c that I beat up pretty good, take a licking and keep on ticking. There's some handles on Ebay for cheap that are a big improvement. The downside of that model is only 2 drag washers, still plenty good for 20lb and under.
good to know! all of my fish are definitely under 20lb. probably more like under 2lb :)
I love the 4000 size, did up this 4500 not long ago. Me and a friend were fishing a couple of weeks back and I handed him my rig. I ended up going home without it as he bought it from me lol
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Sweet reel tincanary! 8)
Quote from: mo65 on September 07, 2020, 12:21:21 PM
Sweet reel tincanary! 8)
Thanks! The level wind and spool came from a new production 4600 C3 I got at Gander Mountain during their going out of business sale last year, paid something like $40 for it. Side plates, gears, brake plate, star wheel, and handle came from a donor 5000 I took in on trade, and the frame was from a 4500CS I had lying around. I did change out the clutch washer and brake blocks for the Bakelite parts and accommodating clutch washer. She moves out.
My next one will have blue side plates, I scored a pair from a 6500 CT Sport Mag on eBay really cheap about a year back so it will have the Magtrax braking system instead of the centrifugal unit.
Quote from: mo65 on August 23, 2020, 01:42:36 PM
Those good ol' 5500Cs are great reels stock, but with some hot rodding they become a beast. This one has all steel gears, CF drags, and the aluminum frame. If Akios made a frame to fit the 7000, we'd have a complete monster of an Abu! 8)
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awesome !! beautiful machine Mo, congrats compadre
Quote from: tincanary on September 07, 2020, 12:13:50 PM
I love the 4000 size, did up this 4500 not long ago. Me and a friend were fishing a couple of weeks back and I handed him my rig. I ended up going home without it as he bought it from me lol
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Wow that's beautiful. Nothing like Abu red. The Record style thumb rest really gives it a custom look.
Another 4500 I did. I really like the way this one came out.
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5500 C3 I set up for fishing Kings in the Great Lakes tribs. This one has a stainless main gear and hardened bronze pinion from The Rocket Reel Company. I'll have this guy with me next weekend on the Betsie River.
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With inspiration from Moe's green 5500 I took the plunge to build a 5000 based Akios. Parts were here in a week, top grade stuff. I changed the frame, spool,drag star, handle, bearing cap and retainer with a black 5000. Added 3+1 CF drag washers and ceramic bearings otherwise it's stock inside. Everything went together with no modification needed.
Super light and smooth reel, can't wait to give it a try, should cast like a bullet
Fantastic Sheridan! You'll love that reel, and yes, it will cast like a bullet. 8)
You guys are killing me with those Akios' frames. Their web site says to pick either a 5500 or 6500 size Akios frame. I have ABU 5000, 5000c, 6000CA but not 5500 or 6500.
Sheridan, did you put the guts of a stock ABU 5000 onto the Akios 5500 frame with Akios 5500 spool? Would the guts from a 6000CA fit their 6500 Akios frame?
Man, the bits and pieces add up fast, don't they?
-steve
Yes, a bone stock 5000, fit perfect. The only thing was I had to use the plastic gear to hold the bearing in the spool on the tail plate side and I had to shave the small ridges off so it would fit in the bearing opening. Maybe I got lucky but it went right together really easy.
I have a 5500C so I was ready to use that if the 5000 didn't work. I like the gear in the 5000 with 4 drag washers better and the black side plates look pretty sharp
I wonder why Akios doesn't offer the 5500 frame with a level wind any longer? I was wanting to buy one, saw they were out of stock and coming back soon, and now nothing shows on their website. Kind of bummed as I was checking back frequently.
Quote from: tincanary on September 13, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
I wonder why Akios doesn't offer the 5500 frame with a level wind any longer? I was wanting to buy one, saw they were out of stock and coming back soon, and now nothing shows on their website. Kind of bummed as I was checking back frequently.
Same here tincanary...hoping those levelwind frames make a return. As it is currently, hardly any of the custom parts are in stock. Hoping there is a big demand so they turn out a fresh batch of goodies. 8)
new kids on the block, I mean in my arsenal.
now along with my 6500c3, 6600c, 7000c, 6500 Record 60, now abu garcia Low Profile, one for my youngest daughter Abu Garcia Revo Sx for fishing the bay and the big bro for saltwater, Abu Garcia Toro Beast 60 (around size komodo 364)
PS: love that purple reel you have there Sheridan, good job.
Sheridan, that reel looks great. I'm having a hard time holding off any longer. I have an old flat sided 5500C that needs to be upgraded.
I fish this guy on a 4'10" ultralight for brook trout. It's the lightest reel I own, coming in at 5 ounces. The spool is also the lightest spool on any reel in production at the moment, weighing a measly 6 grams. It's currently spooled with 4lb Maxima Ultragreen.
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Quote from: tincanary on September 14, 2020, 11:49:47 PM
I fish this guy on a 4'10" ultralight for brook trout. It's the lightest reel I own, coming in at 5 ounces. The spool is also the lightest spool on any reel in production at the moment, weighing a measly 6 grams. It's currently spooled with 4lb Maxima Ultragreen.
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wow great BFS reel you have there.
I didnt knew Abu made a BFS reel, awesome.
its the UL rod also BFS factory made or custom?
Quote from: steelfish on September 15, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
wow great BFS reel you have there.
I didnt knew Abu made a BFS reel, awesome.
its the UL rod also BFS factory made or custom?
The rod is a Major Craft Finetail. I fish a lot of tiny creeks and the combo is very manageable with the close quarters that are common in that sort of environment. It's great for throwing 1/16 and 1/8 jigs, crankbaits, spoons, and spinners.
Quote from: steelfish on September 15, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
Wow great BFS reel you have there.
I had to google "BFS"...I don't get out much...;D
Quote from: mo65 on September 15, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: steelfish on September 15, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
Wow great BFS reel you have there.
I had to google "BFS"...I don't get out much...;D
me either lol, but watch a lot of youtube fishing videos and those BFS appeared searching for some fishing videos, that particular way to fish is too extremely light for my taste on saltwater tho.
the lighter I would go is using a light bass setup for fishing spottedbay bass and triggers.
Quote from: mo65 on September 15, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: steelfish on September 15, 2020, 12:13:56 AM
Wow great BFS reel you have there.
I had to google "BFS"...I don't get out much...;D[/color]
Yeah, me too, I used to think I understood what 'finesse' means, but now I'm not so sure.
-steve
I wish I could fish saltwater. The Great Lakes are nice and bountiful, but none of the fish out there battle like those in the salt. The hardest fighting fish we have are Lake Sturgeon, but even then I can imagine most salt species will give them a run for the money. Even the freshwater barracuda (musky) fight like a log lol.
Alright, Alex. Looks like they changed a few things on "the Beast". My 60 is about 3 yrs. old, without the adjustable handle or crossbar with holes. They had 3 handle options and I modified 2 of 'em for other reels. Do they still include extra handles?
Thanks to tincanary's post on polishing the cen. brake system(another thread), I did it yesterday and it functions much better/quieter now.
Quote from: Gfish on September 18, 2020, 05:43:20 PM
Alright, Alex. Looks like they changed a few things on "the Beast". My 60 is about 3 yrs. old, without the adjustable handle or crossbar with holes. They had 3 handle options and I modified 2 of 'em for other reels. Do they still include extra handles?
I bought that Beast here from a Member, the reel is in pristine condition, I couldnt found any boat rash or scratches on it (happy camper) but it came with no box and no extra handles, I have no problem with that, I've always wanted this reel since few years but it was on the expensive side, now I found it for a reach-able price and couldnt lost the opportunity, I still have to test it with a fish, for now it will be paired with an Okuma inshore stalker rod and a Phenix BD 700h rod but already getting the components to building a 7'10" RS composite swimbait rod for it.
the power handle is nice, but for my intended purpose of the reel that is casting thousand times light lures to the rocks I think a counter balanced handle might feel better, I moved the handle to the closer hole to the knob but it still feel like a small jiggin reel not like a big low profile reel.
Did this one for a customer of mine, 4th Ambassadeur he has purchased from me in the last year. Handle and star wheel from Simon Shimomura, NOS Royal 4500 side plates, 5500 Pro Rocket frame, stainless main gear and hardened bronze pinion from Rocket Reel Company, new production 5500 C3 spool and line guide, Pro Rocket clutch washer and Bakelite brake blocks. I love the way this one turned out.
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Yes sir...that's one fine reel! 8)
awesome !
yes that is a really nice reel & great photography, thanks, cheers Don.
Amazing Bob, you're on a whole different level when it comes to Ambassadeurs. A lot of study, knowledge and dedication is showing though.
-steve
Quote from: mo65 on October 19, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Yes sir...that's one fine reel! 8)
Thanks! The stainless gear is interesting, super smooth, but sounds like a Muncie Rock Crusher lol. It's interesting feeling how smooth it is then hearing the noise, kind of crosses the wires in the brain because one would expect such smooth gears to be quiet.
Quote from: tincanary on October 20, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: mo65 on October 19, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Yes sir...that's one fine reel! 8)
Thanks! The stainless gear is interesting, super smooth, but sounds like a Muncie Rock Crusher lol. It's interesting feeling how smooth it is then hearing the noise, kind of crosses the wires in the brain because one would expect such smooth gears to be quiet.
Wow, that
is interesting. My5500c with the Akios ss gear set even has a steel pinion and is still whisper quiet. Sometimes when noise can be heard but not felt...it could be coming from another source other than the gears...I've seen bearings do this. Also check the levelwind gears. If all else fails...try a heavier lube...I've had that quiet things down too. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on October 20, 2020, 02:32:37 PM
Quote from: tincanary on October 20, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
Quote from: mo65 on October 19, 2020, 02:30:15 PM
Yes sir...that's one fine reel! 8)
Thanks! The stainless gear is interesting, super smooth, but sounds like a Muncie Rock Crusher lol. It's interesting feeling how smooth it is then hearing the noise, kind of crosses the wires in the brain because one would expect such smooth gears to be quiet.
Wow, that is interesting. My5500c with the Akios ss gear set even has a steel pinion and is still whisper quiet. Sometimes when noise can be heard but not felt...it could be coming from another source other than the gears...I've seen bearings do this. Also check the levelwind gears. If all else fails...try a heavier lube...I've had that quiet things down too. 8)
The pinion gear is hardened bronze, that might have something to do with it. I've bought half a dozen sets of these gears from Rocket Reel Company and they're all like this. I typically lube with Yamalube, or if it'll be used during winter steelhead season I like to use Super Lube.
Quote from: tincanary on October 20, 2020, 03:34:13 PM
I've bought half a dozen sets of these gears from Rocket Reel Company and they're all like this.
I see...it's probably just the way the gear sets sound...not something you can tweak. It is odd though...a bronze/steel mesh is usually more quiet than steel/steel.
Quote from: tincanary on October 18, 2020, 01:47:57 PM
Did this one for a customer of mine, 4th Ambassadeur he has purchased from me in the last year. Handle and star wheel from Simon Shimomura, NOS Royal 4500 side plates, 5500 Pro Rocket frame, stainless main gear and hardened bronze pinion from Rocket Reel Company, new production 5500 C3 spool and line guide, Pro Rocket clutch washer and Bakelite brake blocks. I love the way this one turned out.
(https://i.imgur.com/FdgYoha.jpg)
That's a real beauty. A rock crusher! Funny, the 6.3:1 4500C7 Jerry Foran built for me is the same way. Nothing is as smooth as the original ratio I feel. You mentioned longing for saltwater. I live minutes away from Boca Grande Pass fun of tarpon and all I long for is freshwater! How ironic.....
Quote from: 0119 on October 21, 2020, 12:26:13 PM
I live minutes away from Boca Grande Pass fun of tarpon and all I long for is freshwater! How ironic.....
I'm about a 10 minute ride from Lake St Clair, out of this world smallmouth and musky fishing. I've been fishing the lake for over 30 years and it's always a blast, but I really want to hook into some tarpon, snook, and reds one of these days.
Hello Ohana,
I just got a nice little 6000 in the post last night. I'm assuming by it's design that it is a mid to late 60s model. I picked it up pretty cheap so I was hoping to use this reel to learn what upgrades are possible.
If any of the family already knows what is in the realm of possible, I would love to learn from you. I did find some great motivation already from Mo and TinCanary.
I would like to put a new cage on this, either full aluminum or a CT cage. I would also like to know if it is possible to upgrade the spool and spindle to have the floating spool. I'm sure I will upgrade the gears and add a mag knob, but is it worthwhile swapping out the whole brake plate for a newer version?
Thanks for reading
Nick
Akios has some nice upgrades, very nicely made. There's a few others too. There's upgrades to add bearings to the level wing mechanism and gear sleeve too.
There are lots of upgrades available. You can replace the plastic bushing with a bearing, Jerry Foran sells it. It will make the reel smoother cranking. For the spool, Avail, an outfit out of Japan makes them, but they are shallow and more tailored towards casting lighter baits and not necessarily for distance as a deeper spool would be. Another upgrade is a Knobby Mag, then you'll have a magnet brake to utilize instead of the centrifugal that came with it. Lastly, you can swap the spool bearings for bushings. Boca sells them, they're an odd size unlike the C reels of the era which use the 3x10x4 spool bearings.
Wow Nick, that's a whole lot of upgrades! Unless you're in it just for the fun of the project, you're better off just buying a more modern reel! For fun, try using an old classic like that in its stock form and get the thrill of landing a big one old-school style.
Btw, post the serial # and we'll be able to decipher the date.
Quote from: nelz on October 23, 2020, 04:33:12 PM
Wow Nick, that's a whole lot of upgrades! Unless you're in it just for the fun of the project, you're better off just buying a more modern reel! For fun, try using an old classic like that in its stock form and get the thrill of landing a big one old-school style.
Btw, post the serial # and we'll be able to decipher the date.
let Kick (reefihingproblem) to step on the rabbithole by himself and learn for experience, its the best teacher LOL (kind of expensive teacher if you let me..)
once he had done all the available upgrades for the reel as cage, levelwinds, bearings, gear sleeve, drag washers, spool, handles, etc, etc with all the left over parts from this vintage reel on the table he will be able to assemble the "old" reel again in the same exact form LOL ;D ;D.. maybe he will just need a set of sideplates that run pretty cheap on fleabay.
that what happen with the hardcore guys that upgrade 113h and jigmaster to the max..
I have definitely gone down some very expensive rabbit holes on Penn Reels. They are my favorite in my collection. I planned on buying a full frame Akios for just under $300, but thought I would learn a lot more by seeing how the parts are interchangeable, or not. Let me set the record straight, I am not trying to pay $1K for a $200 6500CT made out of parts. However, if I never get my hands dirty, I'll never learn what I sought out to know.
I have a beautiful 5000C that is in its stock form except for CF drag washer. It is so much fun. I have a collection of vintage reels in stock form, but like so many of the Ohana, I like to tinker.
Before I forget, I do love learning from those who came before me. I will try to soak up your collective knowledge like a sponge.
Here's to another adventure,
Nick
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on October 23, 2020, 10:51:41 PM
I have definitely gone down some very expensive rabbit holes on Penn Reels. They are my favorite in my collection. I planned on buying a full frame Akios for just under $300, but thought I would learn a lot more by seeing how the parts are interchangeable, or not. Let me set the record straight, I am not trying to pay $1K for a $200 6500CT made out of parts. However, if I never get my hands dirty, I'll never learn what I sought out to know.
I have a beautiful 5000C that is in its stock form except for CF drag washer. It is so much fun. I have a collection of vintage reels in stock form, but like so many of the Ohana, I like to tinker.
Before I forget, I do love learning from those who came before me. I will try to soak up your collective knowledge like a sponge.
Here's to another adventure,
Nick
well said, so.. just put pictures and your findings, thats what makes this site great
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on October 23, 2020, 10:51:41 PM
I have definitely gone down some very expensive rabbit holes on Penn Reels. They are my favorite in my collection. I planned on buying a full frame Akios for just under $300, but thought I would learn a lot more by seeing how the parts are interchangeable, or not. Let me set the record straight, I am not trying to pay $1K for a $200 6500CT made out of parts. However, if I never get my hands dirty, I'll never learn what I sought out to know.
I have a beautiful 5000C that is in its stock form except for CF drag washer. It is so much fun. I have a collection of vintage reels in stock form, but like so many of the Ohana, I like to tinker.
Before I forget, I do love learning from those who came before me. I will try to soak up your collective knowledge like a sponge.
Here's to another adventure,
Nick
If you have a Dremel and some metal polish, you can get quite a bit more out of it as it is. Polish the spool cap shims, inside of the line guide, line guide pawl, spool shaft ends, brake drum, inside of the pinion gear, worm gear end, and idler gear stud. Use a tiny drop of oil inside the spool bushings, small drop on the idler gear stud, two drops in the worm gear, one drop each in the spool caps, and the inside of the pinion gear, and you'll have a screamer. TSI 321 suggested. Additionally you may want to use the lightest brake blocks available or even do without them altogether. It'll perform pretty dang good and cost an hour of your time. Here's my own personal 4500, two spool bearings with everything else polished, no brake blocks installed. Keep in mind this is the more contemporary design with the fixed axle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ_ZSFF8row
Update on my 1970 Abu 6000 project. I have purchased for reasonable prices a lot of parts to see what fits and what doesn't. I'm sure I could learn the same thing by reading the history of different Ambassadeur models, but I'm more of a hands on learner. In the end, I put ABEC 7 bearings in the Abu 6000, and will probably do the bearing upgrades for the level wind. It is really a beautiful reel and I will do all the tuning steps that tincanary talks about. Up to now I just did some 0000 steel wool polishing, which still has made remarkable improvement.
As for the pile of parts... kind of like Alex said, I could build a complete reel. So I have a beautiful set of side plates for a 6500 C3 CT MAG, a CT cage, a spool with bearings and axle, a power handle, and a brake plate from a 5500C3. Now all i need is a new drag plate, sleeve, magnetic holder, some screws, upgraded CF washers, and a speed bullet bushing for the axle... all in all after totaling the cost of parts and shipping it comes out to the cost of a complete 6500 C3 CT... not too bad. Not too smart, but not too bad. And now I think I understand the design changes of the Ambassadeur reels over the last 50 years. Way cheaper than the cost of a college class.
I'll post pictures of the reels when I get the remaining parts. If anyone has a speed bullet they could part with, I would be more than grateful.
Nick
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on November 07, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
If anyone has a speed bullet they could part with, I would be more than grateful.
The speed bullet is a cheap part new, something like $3. Take a Dremel and polish the flat surface that faces towards the spool then give that same surface a shot of TSI 301. Additionally, do the same to the axle where the spool pinion makes contact. She be screamin' captain. This removes a lot of the friction that comes from the spool pinion making contact with the speed bullet as well as the friction from riding on the axle.
Quote from: tincanary on November 07, 2020, 03:38:42 PM
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on November 07, 2020, 03:21:20 PM
If anyone has a speed bullet they could part with, I would be more than grateful.
The speed bullet is a cheap part new, something like $3. Take a Dremel and polish the flat surface that faces towards the spool then give that same surface a shot of TSI 301. Additionally, do the same to the axle where the spool pinion makes contact. She be screamin' captain. This removes a lot of the friction that comes from the spool pinion making contact with the speed bullet as well as the friction from riding on the axle.
That's great advice thank you. Is this for the extra long speed bullet that seem to only be found in England, or the shorter ones you can get from eReplacementParts?
What the heck is a "speed bullet" ???
And where does it go? I got one with some other parts I bought
It is a brass bushing to go on the axle and fits into what I would call the bearing cap on the non-handle side, tincanary, correct the record if I misspoke .
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on November 07, 2020, 07:01:11 PM
It is a brass bushing to go on the axle and fits into what I would call the bearing cap on the non-handle side, tincanary, correct the record if I misspoke .
People tend to use it interchangeably, speed bullet is the term I often hear, but Abu refers to it as the spool shaft bushing. The part I was referring to is the Abu factory part that comes in reels with the palm side spool tension knob.
The speed bullet / spool shaft bushing i want to add to the 6500C3CT is part number 23500. I posted a picture below. Also is a little sketch of how the Abu spool shaft bushing fits on the spool. The longer one allows you to take off the plastic cog gear which isn't needed since there isn't a clicker or a level wind.
Thanks
Quote from: ReelFishingProblems on November 07, 2020, 09:52:32 PM
The speed bullet / spool shaft bushing i want to add to the 6500C3CT is part number 23500. I posted a picture below. Also is a little sketch of how the Abu spool shaft bushing fits on the spool. The longer one allows you to take off the plastic cog gear which isn't needed since there isn't a clicker or a level wind.
Ah there we go. Reels with the bait clicker use the spool shaft bushing. The spool pinion is needed to actuate the clicker. Mag reels usually have no clicker and will use the speed bushing shown. The Magtrax brake used in some models will not work with a clicker due to clearance issues.
I bought a lot of abu's and one is a 2500c, nice little reel, very much like the 3500 on the inside but very different on the out side. This ones in pretty good shape
I have a small collection of ABU's reels a 5,000 and a 10,000 a black 6,500ct which is the only one I'm using at the moment and I only had it a couple of months and it has caught a lot of squid, snook and 3small bronze whalers. I got a chrome rocket 6,500cs last week for $80 and it's in good nick the guy only used once.
Kim
80 for a Rocket ...piracy!!! nice reels!
John
tomorrow is the celebration
Great pic, Alex! Now that's an achievement few have accomplished! 8)
we can now say, the flagship ambassadeur reel havent change that much since almost a hundred years
The Ambassadeur 5000 was introduced in 1951 or 52 and changed everything.
Quote from: oc1 on March 31, 2021, 08:04:27 PM
The Ambassadeur 5000 was introduced in 1951 or 52 and changed everything.
I knew someone will come with more correct dates, thanks Steve
Can anyone use any of these at fair market value?