I bought a Newelled 113h from the auction site just for the side plates. Basically ended up with the Newell bars, bases and spool for free. It had this set of gears in it. The main does have the bushing in it but they are bright and shiny just like aftermarket stainless gears. There is no hint of being polished.
interesting set of gears, what is the ratio?
Quote from: vilters on January 23, 2018, 02:29:45 AM
interesting set of gears, what is the ratio?
It's a 42 main and 13 pinion = 3.23:1
The very early 113H gears were steel -- although not very stainless.
Yes. They were initially installed in the Anniversary Specials. The remainder were installed in other 113H, 113Hl, & 113HLW. No rhym or reason. I think they would find a box then install them and when they found another box, they would install them.
So Brian, you said yes? on the aniversary reels. These are stainless main gears? Just to be sure ? ???
I'm not sure about that... i have heard that they never put stainless gears in there reels.
Maybe Tony (Penn) could jump in here?
Thanks
Dom
Quote from: broadway on April 30, 2018, 08:43:34 PM
I'm not sure about that... i have heard that they never put stainless gears in there reels.
Maybe Tony (Penn) could jump in here?
Thanks
Dom
I believe they did, it says so on their 50th anniversary catalog
(https://i.imgur.com/9tf7GMw.jpg)
and a closeup
(https://i.imgur.com/iW1Giug.jpg)
Sal
It's great that you're digging this stuff up. Those original ads sure imply they did. I've had a couple of the anniversary ones apart and never thought to check. Seemed to me be just steel gears.
Now I gotta know, Look and he shall find. ;). Thanks 🙏
Thanks for the confirmation, Sal.
This has been debated for quite some time. At least we know some reels had them.
Dom
This is the gear set from my 210, these gears went into anniversary Jigmasters, and evidently some 210s also. The photo with the ss gear sleeve and drags shows how well the gear matches in appearance. 8)
Since the reel was Newelled it may have the aftermarket Newell gears in it. I know Carl made or had made steel gears for this sized reel but not sure if they were stainless or not. Since those gears are long gone I don't know who you can find out other than doing a internet search on Newell gears.
I also have a used stock set of 113H steel gears and their pretty shiny. ;)
I have an unmolested 114H Aniversary. Ill check and see.
Quote from: handi2 on May 01, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
I have an unmolested 114H Aniversary. Ill check and see.
That poor thing was hidden well. I might have to talk you out of it next time I come by. ;D
I think the insert in that main gear is the tip off. I've seen newell gears for penns but never with that insert, anything is possible however.
Quote from: handi2 on May 01, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
I have an unmolested 114H Aniversary. Ill check and see.
Keith, how were you going to check the gears?
Some are shiny, some are dull, some are magnetic and some are not :-\
Here are some different ones I have:
(https://i.imgur.com/dv3jCtE.jpg)
The accurate is not magnetic, well just a touch, but all the rest are. On the right I'm showing the earlier Newell shiny gears next to the later dull ones.
About the brass insert. I have asked some time ago and they told me it was an insulator to dampen gear noise.
I didn't buy it, gulling makes a little more sense to me.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2018, 12:20:56 AM
About the brass insert. I have asked some time ago and they told me it was an insulator to dampen gear noise.
I didn't buy it, gulling makes a little more sense to me.
Yes, that insert is going to come into play when the gear is spinning on the sleeve...under drag. It would not make much effect while winding the handle normally.
Quote from: Alto Mare on May 02, 2018, 12:20:56 AM
Quote from: handi2 on May 01, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
I have an unmolested 114H Aniversary. Ill check and see.
Keith, how were you going to check the gears?
Some are shiny, some are dull, some are magnetic and some are not :-\
Here are some different ones I have:
(https://i.imgur.com/dv3jCtE.jpg)
The accurate is not magnetic, well just a touch, but all the rest are. On the right I'm showing the earlier Newell shiny gears next to the later dull ones.
About the brass insert. I have asked some time ago and they told me it was an insulator to dampen gear noise.
I didn't buy it, gulling makes a little more sense to me.
Sal
Sal that picture is a great help. Thanks!
steve
I took apart a 114H Anniversary today, and just as sure as a day is long, it has a nice shiny stainless steel main gear. 8)
That's great Mo. I haven't had time to check mine yet. I hop it's still in there. The Reel looks mint.
Congrats Mo, that reels a beast.
Will you be upgrading anything on it or will she be restored as stock?
-gary
Since the original post I've had four sets of jigmaster gears that are the same shiny steel come across my table. So maybe they are more common than not
Just a note on the stainless gears and checking with a magnet:
*only some stainless alloys are not magnetic*
Generally speaking, 300 series (304, 316, etc) are not magnetic and cannot be heat treated. They are soft and flexible, but very tough and corrosion resistant. The 400 series (420, 440, etc), is magnetic and can be heat treated for higher strength. Strength and corrosion resistance both are dependent on the particular alloy *and* state of hardening.
The PH series (precipitation hardening) is also magnetic, and very high strength while retaining good corrosion resistance. 17-4ph is the most common (often seen in fishing reels gears, including Okumas) but there are other alloys too, such as 13-8PH.
A magnet is only useful for sorting 300 series stainless from everything else. When it comes to fishing reel gears, 316 is a very poor choice, and you will not see it in a quality gear set.
Thanks for the tip about magnetic stainless. Ive often wondered what was what. even tried the spark test! ??? ???
Good info.