Reel Repair by Alan Tani

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Title: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: john2244 on December 19, 2011, 02:33:18 AM
I purchased, as a parts reel, a nice vintage Penn 9/0 with bushings, not bearings.  This reel was sold because the three piece spool seems to have " spread out " and is rubbing on the bridge plate. Can the spool be repaired ??  I was also thinking of grinding down the bridge plate and the inside of the spool where it was coming in contact with the bridge.  So do I have a nice parts reel and a spool as a paper weight or can this reel be put into service ???  Thanks for your help.
John


Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Alto Mare on December 19, 2011, 05:18:23 AM
John when you say spread out, do you mean an intermittent rubbing sound when you turn the spool ro a constant rubbing sound? I have seen the (3) piece spools warp, but never seen one spread out evenly. If it is an intermittent rubbing, there might be someone here that could fix it :-\... I wasn't able to do it. If it is a constant rubbing, than it's not the spool.
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2011, 07:28:03 AM
this is going to be tough.  it might almost be worth dumping the line, then squeezing the spool back together under an hydraulic press, then welding it back in place.  these spools are pretty expensive......   :-\
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: john2244 on December 19, 2011, 05:30:39 PM
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0036.jpg)

This is a pic showing how the inside of the spool was rubbing on the bridge.(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0039.jpg)

Very hard to see but it looks like one side of the spool moved about 3/32" .
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2011, 06:11:19 PM
you can do one of three things.  one, put a shim washer underneath the right side bearing (probably the better option).  two, grind away at the corners of the bridge plate where it comes in contact with the spool (i've done that before).  three, squeeze the spool back together (gonna be tough).   let's try shimming the bearing first. 
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2011, 06:11:54 PM
i've seen them worse.   :-\
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: john2244 on December 19, 2011, 06:16:53 PM
Alan,
Thanks for the ideas.  This reel has bushing so I will try and build up the bushing with something.   I will also grind the bridge a little, between the shimming and the grinding I may get this reel back into service.
John

Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Alto Mare on December 19, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
Or, it could also be something as simple as the upper bridge screws  :-\. Been there before.
John, I'm having a hard time seeing the rubbing spot fom your pictures. If you're talking about that line that runs all the way around the inner side of the spool, that tells me that your spool is not warped and it doesn't necessarely mean that the spool expanded. Lets take the easy way first. Check the bridge plate and see if the two upper mounting screws (the full threaded ones) are flush with the bridge plate, you can just run your finger over it. If they do come out a little, stroke them on a flat file a couple of times, or anything that will work for you and shave a little off the tip. If your spool is not warped, I'm pretty sure that this will work. If the spool is warped...good luck to you. Sal
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
yeah, measure the distances on the spool and the side plate and find the high spot that is rubbing.  then knock it down a few thousanths.  that might be easiest.   :-\
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: broadway on December 19, 2011, 06:25:04 PM
I agree with Sal... it looks like where the bridge screw would be.  A shave would do!
Good call Sal!
Dom
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: alantani on December 19, 2011, 06:27:09 PM
actually, my bet is the corner of the bridge plate......   ;D
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Alto Mare on December 19, 2011, 06:37:33 PM
I have seen the screws work, but I've also seen the bridge plate shaved and sometimes also the tip of the jack.  Alan might be right...but, is he ever wrong? ;D
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: john2244 on December 19, 2011, 07:50:35 PM
I check the alingment of the mark on the spool with the bridge, and it is a perfect match.  Here is another pic of the spool.

Thanks to all for your help.  

John(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0038.jpg)
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Alto Mare on December 19, 2011, 08:06:37 PM
Good work, John. It could have also been the other things mentioned....the line on the spool tells the story. Just out of curiosity, do the clutch springs feel stiff or soft ?
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: john2244 on December 19, 2011, 11:08:58 PM
Sal,

The clutch spring feels very firm.

John
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Alto Mare on December 19, 2011, 11:23:30 PM
Ok John, thanks! If soft it would have been a good idea to replace. I know this is a stupid question, but make sure that the right side bushing in seated all the way. Also, If you drop a BB in that bushing or something similar, you won't need to shave anything...as Alan mentioned.
Title: Re: 9/0 spool spread out
Post by: Makule on February 03, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
This thread is a bit old but I thought I'd contribute my 2 cents.

Those old spools have the two side pieces that are held onto the shaft with pressed flanges.  When there is enough pressure applied (the old spools were not made to handle the extreme compressive/expansive forces of monofilament lines), the flange(s) will bend, causing the spool to become wider than it should be.  If this is, in fact, the case, there is no way to repair the spool.  Although you can press the flanges back in, the metal fatigue has already set in and the flanges will push out again.  Each time you do that, it'll take less pressure to press the flanges out.  If you are merely repairing the spool so that it looks okay, doing this isn't a problem.  On the other hand, if you want to use the reel, the spool needs to be replaced.

I've tried various ways of repairing such damaged spools, including pressing them back and soldering/brazing.  The spool either won't hold together and/or the heat from the soldering/brazing distorts the spool.  There may be some newer ways of brazing/welding (E.G., MIG/TIG) that don't generate as much heat/distortion, but I've not tried them.  The material is chrome plated bronze/brass so it's not very hard to work with.