What do you guys thnk? I have a 1964-65 Fenwick PS120 12' surf spinning rod. It is typical Fenwick brown with early cork grips.
What would be a good vintage reel for this?
A Crack 300. Dominick
Penn 700
Quote from: Dominick on December 03, 2017, 11:10:26 PM
A Crack 300. Dominick
This reels first production date was 1968. A bronze colored Luxor B would be more period correct, if you wanna split hairs....
LUXOR LUXE B 1964-1967 flat handle knob, bronze colour, marked "B"
LUXOR LUXE RAPIDE B 1964-1967 flat handle knob, bronze colour, marked "1-RB"
LUXOR SPECIAL RAPIDE B 1964-1967 flat handle knob, bronze colour, marked "1 SR - B"
They were half bale, bronze colored, heavy spinning reels popular with surf fisherman here in HI.
This rod was rated for 15-30lb line?
These Luxor were no.1, 100 size equivalent models, verses the crack 300. I suppose something in an in between size would be more appropriate.
A Crack, a Luxor(3L-A), or a Centaur from this period would all be great fits for a surf rod.
Could also consider a
-Martin Model 28 (1950s) or 400, both a little light
-Record (500 or 700) predates rod
-Mignon (Mariner)
-Roddy (910-a)
-Langley (870) predates rod
-Heddon (270R)
-Herters (950) made in Japan at same time
-HI (1938)
-Pflueger (631or 643), pre or post dates
-Penguin (105-a), too small
-Orvis (350)
-Ocean City (pre dates rod)
-Penn (712?)
-old pal (cougar600)
-DAM (550?, or Super 270?)
-Mitchell, era-correct models likely too light
-Airex (Beachcomber)
-Ru (Atlantic) pre dates rod
-Shakespeare (2070 or 2090) later post dates rod
-Garcia (496?) post dates rod
-Alcedo (Surf Rue or Oceanic)
-True Temper (747)
-Zebco (Cardinal 7)
-Fairer Bros (FB400, or 450)
-Fin-nor (No.3) sweet reel, but they were made 3-5years after your rod, and they are pricey..maybe $250..GarWoods no3 was made ca.1958-?
-Ted Williams 500 Italian made..cool reel from same era
Or something similar from this era.
Many options of saltwater 30lb class spinning reels from that era.
I like the Ted Williams the best, but there are some other good ones in the list.
John
John
Mitchell 488 or 486.
Quote from: thorhammer on December 04, 2017, 01:07:52 AM
Mitchell 488 or 486.
The 486 is a cool reel, but it did come out a few years after the rod, guess +/-~5years is still 'period correct.
Any of the early mitchels, 300 series.
I had a big green heddon spinning reel on a rod like that from saving up blue chip stamps for about 2 years to get it. Other than that I got nothing. Looks like a long list of good candidates.
Quote from: Swami805 on December 04, 2017, 01:34:18 AM
I had a big green heddon spinning reel on a rod like that from saving up blue chip stamps for about 2 years to get it. Other than that I got nothing. Looks like a long list of good candidates.
Those Blue Chip stamps really date you Sheridan! I remember them well.
I'd get my mom to shop anywhere that offered them,grocery stores,gas stations, whatever. Had that puppy all picked out in the catalog. I forget how many books it took, but I was a stamp licking fool.
Don't forget your S&H Green Stamps too.
We licked a lotta glue back then.
D.A.M. Quick Super 270.
Penn 704 or Penn 706
That would be an interesting challenge to put together an outfit from a green stamp catalog. You can now buy an old reel for what the old catalogs cost. Go figure. We had S&H and another kind that was yellow/gold but 1 can't remember the name. My galvanized minor bucket with the floating insert came from there.
A 704 anyway.
-steve
In Philadelphia Acme gave out S&H (Sperry & Hutchinson) green stamps. Food Fair gave out Gold Sqare stamps. A Gold Stamp sticker gets things quicker. Lit Brother's Department store used yellow stamps.
If a Penn 712 or 710 is used it would have to be a "greenie".
A Peerless BAM 620 (https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/93/47/71/s-l22510.jpg)
Quote from: Captain64-200 on December 04, 2017, 06:02:44 PM
A Peerless BAM 620 (https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/93/47/71/s-l22510.jpg)
Ding...
Ding...
I think we have a winner!
Provided, of course, money is no object ;)
Okay, can we at least photoshop that reel onto the rod? Really want to see it!
Quote from: Tightlines666 on December 04, 2017, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: Captain64-200 on December 04, 2017, 06:02:44 PM
A Peerless BAM 620 (https://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/11/93/47/71/s-l22510.jpg)
Ding...
Ding...
I think we have a winner!
Provided, of course, money is no object ;)
This one does'nt belong to me ,but I have the exact same blue 620 M model in the boat ( only difference : manual bail ) ;)
Not a 12', but it is from around the same era. Here is what a Shakespeare looks like on a Fenwick
(https://i.imgur.com/lBQslOb.jpg)
I'd display that rod in my hands... rebuilt w/ Fuji SiC & matched w/ modern reel best suited for 40-60# braid
So I finally found this Crack 300 at a flea market. Normally I would have passed over it but I thought back to this thread. Thanks for your recommendations guys! Appears to have never seen use.
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 15, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
So I finally found this Crack 300 at a flea market. Normally I would have passed over it but I thought back to this thread. Thanks for your recommendations guys! Appears to have never seen use.
Nice!
Where do you come up with this stuff? Man,one after another. Nice reel
This one is brand new ! :) very nice (and strong ) reel ,congrats ...
Quote from: Swami805 on March 15, 2018, 09:52:12 PM
Where do you come up with this stuff? Man,one after another. Nice reel
To be honest I know absolutely ZERO about these reels. I just saw it for $40 and was thinking about how many of you recommended it for my Fenwick so I bought it.
Gotta be a Mitchel 302, or a 303 if you use the correct dominant hand.
Ron
Quote from: 1badf350 on March 15, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
So I finally found this Crack 300 at a flea market. Normally I would have passed over it but I thought back to this thread. Thanks for your recommendations guys! Appears to have never seen use.
Trade/offers? :)
Sal
QuoteSo I finally found this Crack 300 at a flea market. Normally I would have passed over it but I thought back to this thread. Thanks for your recommendations guys! Appears to have never seen use.
Don't want to rain on this choice; but, the Crack 300 was not introduced until 1968.
A more proper reel ( and this is because I am sort of fond of Penn ) would be a first generation Penn Spinfisher 700. It was introduced in 1962. This would be a perfect option for a period correct display piece.
Or, if you want to stick to a Luxor, try the "B" or "C" models from the late 1950's and early 1960's. In the photo is a NOS Luxor No. 3---"B" Model made up to 1959. Same size as a Crack 300, except with a drilled spool.
QuoteSo I finally found this Crack 300 at a flea market. Normally I would have passed over it but I thought back to this thread. Thanks for your recommendations guys! Appears to have never seen use.
That NOS Crack 300 with the box is an amazing find. Believe it or not, these reels were made for many years. The last Crack's were made in 1999.
Finding NOS models is not easy. These Luxor reels were used and used hard. They were the Van Staal reels of the 1960's and 70's. In my opinion, the modern Van Staal reels are copies of the old Luxor internal design.
Lots of good info there Mike! Your brain is a never ending cave of knowledge!
Sal, sorry my friend I have no desire to part with it at the moment.
Sorry to wander off topic, but.... Mike, do you when were the other spinfisher models were released? I think they came out in dribs and drabs instead of all at once.
-steve
If you really want to go use and timeline correct I'd opt for this nice saltwater size bail-less Ted Williams 550 made in Italy by Zangi from the early 1960s. Notice the paperwork is pre zip code, i.e. prior to July 1, 1963. Also, the patent # referenced on the side plate is is that of Edward F Small's Hollliday patent filed in June 1956. That patent was also referenced by Gar Wood Jr. in his 1962 & 1964 patents, i.e Fin-Nor.
Most surf guys preferred bail-less, anyway, and I doubt you'll find a companion much better suited than the "TW 550", plus they're cool looking!
QuoteLots of good info there Mike! Your brain is a never ending cave of knowledge!
I agree, my brain is like a cave. Whatever goes in it, get lost in the dark corners.....................................<:O(
QuoteSorry to wander off topic, but.... Mike, do you when were the other spinfisher models were released? I think they came out in dribs and drabs instead of all at once.
-steve
I have a timeline of all Penn models up to 1982. The Spinfisher introductions span from 1962 to 1975. They did not introduce them with any rhyme or reason. The introductions were sort of hap hazard in that window of 1962 to 1975.
Quote from: oc1 on December 04, 2017, 05:16:15 AM
That would be an interesting challenge to put together an outfit from a green stamp catalog. You can now buy an old reel for what the old catalogs cost. Go figure. We had S&H and another kind that was yellow/gold but 1 can't remember the name. My galvanized minor bucket with the floating insert came from there.
A 704 anyway.
-steve
Steve, we had these in S. Florida in the 60's. They were given out at the Kwik Chek (later Winn Dixie)
stores. Are they the ones you are referring to?
Scott
I used to love to throw the Quick 550 on the old lamiglass 11' ers i built back in the day. It was a. GReat reel!
Quote from: conchydong on March 18, 2018, 03:13:06 AM
They were given out at the Kwik Chek (later Winn Dixie)
stores. Are they the ones you are referring to?
That's them Scott. Top Value. I was in South Texas.
-steve
So i looked at the Luxor 3B that Mike mentioned. I liked it alot so I decided to do it.
I liked it so much that I bought a second one to put on my Harnell
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I liked it so much that I bought a second one to put on my Harnell
Posted on: Today at 06:50:03 AM
Posted by: 1badf350
Wow Chris, you found another one. Looks like a mint in the box one!
hay gentialman i have the same question on a 10ft shakespeare spinning surf rod thanks for the help
Knowing when the rod was made will help select an appropriate reel. This information has been repeated several places on the web so I don't know who to give credit to:
Most Shakespeare glass rods were marked with a three-letter code indicating the date of manufacture. This date code was either stenciled on the blank near the model identification number, or stamped on the reel seat. The first two letters in the code indicate the year while the third letter indicates the month.
Each of the first two letters is translated to a numerical digit per the following table:Date code key part 1: letters to year digits
K J H G F E D C B A
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
These two digits, when prefixed with '19', indicate the year of manufacture. For example, from the date code 'EJF', we take the first two letters 'EJ' and translate these to '62' using the preceding table. This results in the year '1962'.
The third letter in the date code indicates the month, per the following table:Date code key part 2: letters to month
K J H G F E D C B A L M
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
Continuing with the previous example of date code EJF, the letter 'F' from this table gives us 'May' as the month. Therefore the complete translation of date code EJF is 'May 1962'.
-steve