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Title: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Rickb on May 19, 2016, 09:43:22 AM
      I am in my 60's very sedentary, my big exercise is steering the riding mower when necessary and pushing the buttons on remote to change channels.
   Nearest gym is around 50 miles. Wondering what if any simple exercises you might do?
I can handle 40/45 lbs of drag for a bit but couldn't very long and a grander may outlast me.
   


Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: CapeFish on May 19, 2016, 11:58:52 AM
the humble push up and walking
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Reel 224 on May 19, 2016, 12:27:21 PM
Try walking up stairs tree times a day to strengthen your legs, unless your like me with damaged knees and can not do that. If so then ride a stationary bike if you have one. 

Joe
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Cor on May 19, 2016, 06:30:14 PM
Similar age, reasonably fit, but also all kinds of aches and pains.   No ways I can hold a strong fish with that kind of drag for long! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 19, 2016, 06:37:54 PM

I walk every day and fast for a couple weeks before a fishing boat trip.

As an overweight 63 year old wearing neoprene knee sleeves helps a lot.

I wear lace up waterproof boots for support too.

Want to lose 50# so I'll make it to 70.

steve
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Marcq on May 19, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
A strong back starts with sit ups and bent over, start with 10 rep when comfortable 20, 30 repetition every day

Marc..
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Aiala on May 20, 2016, 12:09:00 AM
I'm 66 years young, but still got somewhat beat up by those Guadalupe tuna last fall, so to prepare for my upcoming 8-day I've been doing weights in the gym along with an hour of treadmill at least 4-5 days a week.

Also, because I really dislike the backbreaking bend-over-the-rail-and-grind style of fishing that seems to be all the rage, I'm bringing a nice old-fashioned kidney harness to help support the reel (LOVE those lugs!) and a good Braid belt with a gimbal bolt to stop the rod from twisting. I'll be doing the old knee-bend raise-the-rod-tip and wind-down method... to heck with the rail... can't teach an old dog new tricks!  ::)  ;)

~A~
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: alantani on May 20, 2016, 12:33:56 AM
if you have your own gear, buckle up, tie the line off to the trailer hitch of a car and practice cranking.  so much of it is balance, not brute strength.  on our puerto vallarta trip, dave hooked into a 200 pounder and he collapsed at the end of the fight.  over the next two days, these fish got easier.  that's just because he started fighting smarter, not harder. 
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Reel 224 on May 20, 2016, 12:42:30 AM
that's just because he started fighting smarter, not harder.

Quote

I like that theory as work smarter not harder.

Joe
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Tightlines667 on May 20, 2016, 12:47:00 AM
One small word of advice when fighting big fish on stand up gear...

"Don't piss them off, or frighten them"  treat them as you would a friend, or your pet dog... smooth-gentle-positive persuasion works wonders.  Convince them it is in their best interest to come to the boat, then get a gaff in them before they even know that are in real trouble.  If you piss the fish off, or scare him, or try to force the matter he will make you pay.. often fighting to the death.  

The only exception is if you have very heavy gear (i.e. danglers, hydros, etc...), and you can turn their head toward you with brute force and keep them comming all the way to the deck.  Sometimes staying smooth, and actually backing off on the pressure will yield better results.  

Just a few tidbits based on my personal experiences.

Also, don't pull the fish's head out of the water once you get him to the surface or he is liable to spit/throw the hook.

Not sure what that has to do with preparation for battle, other then your mental attitude, translating to a smoother/shorter/less abusive fight.  

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Learn to use the rail!  First and foremost. It will aid you better than a year of working out!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 04:26:48 AM
Quote from: alantani on May 20, 2016, 12:33:56 AM
if you have your own gear, buckle up, tie the line off to the trailer hitch of a car and practice cranking.  so much of it is balance, not brute strength.  on our puerto vallarta trip, dave hooked into a 200 pounder and he collapsed at the end of the fight.  over the next two days, these fish got easier.  that's just because he started fighting smarter, not harder. 


I resemble that remark!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 20, 2016, 04:34:26 AM
Quote from: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Learn to use the rail!  First and foremost. It will aid you better than a year of working out!

The rail is for old fat guys, I love it.

I am 5 miles from a YMCA so I have an advantage but I am also walking and riding my bike as often as possible.  I lost 15 pounds in a month but now am gaining muscle.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: MarkT on May 20, 2016, 05:29:41 AM
The rail is for old fat guys that are short!  I'm a tall and skinny 60 yrs old and the rail isn't my friend.  Fishing fit?  I've been to the gym 11 days in a row and will probably go another 6, maybe 7 days before I leave on my 2 1/2 day trip next Friday. I've been a gym rat for decades and 5 days a week for the past three years but one of the guys at the gym commented last week that he'd never seen me do cardio until that day.  Well, he hadn't!  I've now done 5 miles a day on the stationary bike for 10 straight days. We're doing a health step challenge at work and I need to put in my time for my team. It's a step challenge and I think I get 147 step equivalents for every minute on the bike.  I've been racking up 13-17k steps per day.  Our team is losing big but I'm not!  Some of our guys think exercise is reaching for the remote after getting a beer from the fridge.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 20, 2016, 05:31:31 AM
Quote from: MarkT on May 20, 2016, 05:29:41 AM
The rail is for old fat guys that are short!  

Watch it there.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 20, 2016, 05:38:36 AM
Quote from: MarkT on May 20, 2016, 05:29:41 AM
 Some of our guys think exercise is reaching for the remote after getting a beer from the fridge.

you talkin to me!!!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 06:43:49 AM
He says that like its a bad thing?
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
sounds like your in better shape than I was when I took on this challenge.  Using a belt and kidney harness gives you all the leverage in the world and that is just enough to give you the edge over the tuna in this fight.
I'm not saying don't worry about getting in shape, by all means at our age any excuse to improve our health is a good thing but leverage during the fight is the key, and no matter how hard you work to get stronger you are not going to physically overpower a tuna in your weight class.  You are going to need leverage and the better you perfect technique the happier you will be after the fight. 
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 20, 2016, 12:50:22 PM
Quote from: Red brown on May 20, 2016, 06:51:51 AMI have an auto immune issue that keeps my muscles in tone but causes lots of connective tissue damage

Marfan's?

My legs do not work well and I fall down....before tequila.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 20, 2016, 05:55:55 PM
Quote from: Red brown on May 20, 2016, 06:51:51 AM
  
  Did sit-ups,push-ups,leg lifts and toe touches no problem.Could only do 23 chin ups/pull-ups and arms were done.
said I would have to be tied into the boat so the fish wouldn't pull me in!
 

Redbrown...only 23 pullups?

i'm trying for 2... but I got 120# 'advantage' over you

ok... getting inspired to exercise (they are catching 100# bft on overnight trips out of san diego)

think i'll hit some golfballs.

steve
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 06:53:34 PM
I think you first need to decide how you want to fight the fish.
1. 1 on 1, or IGFA Compliant.
2. Any means available.

1. Means no rails, and nobody else touches the gear, the fight is 1on 1 from hookup to gaff. Belts and harness only.
2. Means taking advantage of every leverage situation the platform and gear will allow for.

Answer this question first then prepare accordingly.
The difference in the two is immeasurable in terms of the amount of punishment / gratification you will experience.
It all boils down to your personal feelings about it.

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Aiala on May 20, 2016, 07:32:38 PM
Remember, too, that some (but not all) of the boats are focused on catch tonnage, and prefer that you avoid protracted battles and power-grind in every fish a.s.a.p. (i.e., USE THE RAIL!)

A method which I, for one, elect to eschew.  8)

~A~

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Dominick on May 20, 2016, 08:19:21 PM
Quote from: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Learn to use the rail!  First and foremost. It will aid you better than a year of working out!
That's cheating.  You have to stand and fish macho style.   :D ;D Dominick
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 20, 2016, 08:29:24 PM
Not me, I have bad legs and a bum left hand.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/IGFA19Keta/DSCN0022-2.jpg) (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/IGFA19Keta/media/DSCN0022-2.jpg.html)
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Aiala on May 20, 2016, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
Learn to use the rail! First and foremost. It will aid you better than a year of working out!

I agree that working out isn't the be-all end-all of everything, but what I got from using the rail was back strain, mashed and bruised fingers, scuffs on my brand-new Phenix, hand cramps, and an overwhelming sense that this wasn't FUN by any stretch of the imagination. Plus, in the end I lost two big tunas to the Taxman anyway... grrr!  >:(

~A~
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 20, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
You are too tall, the deck is close to my butt and the rail is just right.  I have tuna cord or rod wrap on my heavy rods to keep from getting rail rash too, the blue covering the front grip in the photo of a 75# YFT above....  ;D
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 20, 2016, 09:22:49 PM
Quote from: David Hall on May 20, 2016, 06:53:34 PM
I think you first need to decide how you want to fight the fish.
1. 1 on 1, or IGFA Compliant.
2. Any means available.

1. Means no rails, and nobody else touches the gear, the fight is 1on 1 from hookup to gaff. Belts and harness only.
2. Means taking advantage of every leverage situation the platform and gear will allow for.

Answer this question first then prepare accordingly.
The difference in the two is immeasurable in terms of the amount of punishment / gratification you will experience.
It all boils down to your personal feelings about it.

With IGFA  rules... are you allowed to brace you knees against the gunnels? or lean back against the cabin?  Is it just the gear that can't touch the boat?

thanks

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: MarkT on May 20, 2016, 09:39:19 PM
With igfa rules you can strap into a fighting chair while the boat backs down on the fish. They're very anti-long range. Those yacht types would never catch anything stand up on a dead boat.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Reel 224 on May 20, 2016, 10:47:56 PM
I got my exercise for two days now, taking my mower deck off to pump grease in the spindles but had a grease gun that shot grease all over the place but were it was supposed to go. I tried buying a new one from Pep Boys and found that it didn't work so Ruth returned it. I had to use my reel grease gun to finely grease the two spindles. mean time I decided to sharpen my mower blades and when replacing them I stripped the spindle shaft, I jury rigged a nut on it and hooked the mower deck back up. When I hooked the belt up it snapped when I started the mower up....had to remove the deck once again, I decided to replace the spindle along with the belt $130.00 later I put the new spindle and belt one and once again crawled on the ground to replace the mower deck. To my surprise it worked!! :o ;D ;D That took me all of 8hrs to do. :P My legs,knees,hands,and back got a workout.

And I didn't catch a darn fish >:( :'(

Joe   
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 21, 2016, 01:02:03 AM
Today I removed the shields on a couple bearings, fitted one of atoms adjustable bearing cups to a side plate, and cleaned the old grease from both side plates.  I was going to start polishing one of Adams counterbalanced handles but I ran out of energy.  Have to wait until tomorrow to get my grandson to set my polisher up on my workbench.  This excercise stuff is for the birds!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: SoCalAngler on May 21, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Working out is great and not just for fishing.

I'd add a couple of things which should help landing fish with less stress to the angler. Once I started doing these things I found I had more energy after landing fish and was either able to get back into the game sooner after big fish or fish longer on smaller to mid sized fish.

First once bit and hooked up try to relax. I use to get all tense and nervous. When tense your own muscles start to work against one another building lactic acid faster making them burn out quicker.

Second, breath. In through the nose and out of the mouth. Doing this helps keep you more relaxed and focused.

Lastly the only time you rest when hooked up is when the fish is taking line. The line on a reel should either be going out or coming back onto the reel when you have a fish on your hook, never static. If you rest mid battle the fish is doing the same thing making the fight last longer. Even if you can only gain a couple of inches at a time this will keep pressure on the fish not allowing it to turn away from the boat as easily, stripping all the line off the reel you worked so hard to get on. This may seem like more work but this can make the fight much shorter. I had a captain give me this advice when younger and ever since I have had several deckhands comment that I'm able to get the fish to the boat quicker than others.

I like you am 6' 160-165 lbs so no body builder or football player type of size but doing the above things has helped me a great deal in getting fish to the boat faster and not putting so much wear on my body.

Good luck on your trip. 
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 21, 2016, 01:05:10 PM
Quote from: SoCalAngler on May 21, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Working out is great and not just for fishing.

I'd add a couple of things which should help landing fish with less stress to the angler. Once I started doing these things I found I had more energy after landing fish and was either able to get back into the game sooner after big fish or fish longer on smaller to mid sized fish.

First once bit and hooked up try to relax. I use to get all tense and nervous. When tense your own muscles start to work against one another building lactic acid faster making them burn out quicker.

Second, breath. In through the nose and out of the mouth. Doing this helps keep you more relaxed and focused.

Lastly the only time you rest when hooked up is when the fish is taking line. The line on a reel should either be going out or coming back onto the reel when you have a fish on your hook, never static. If you rest mid battle the fish is doing the same thing making the fight last longer. Even if you can only gain a couple of inches at a time this will keep pressure on the fish not allowing it to turn away from the boat as easily, stripping all the line off the reel you worked so hard to get on. This may seem like more work but this can make the fight much shorter. I had a captain give me this advice when younger and ever since I have had several deckhands comment that I'm able to get the fish to the boat quicker than others.

I like you am 6' 160-165 lbs so no body builder or football player type of size but doing the above things has helped me a great deal in getting fish to the boat faster and not putting so much wear on my body.

Good luck on your trip. 

All good stuff. When I was deckhand on a charter boat I told customers rest when line is going out, work when it wasn't, those that listened landed fish quickly, those that did not wore themselves out.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Alto Mare on May 21, 2016, 02:00:19 PM
Yes, all good stuff, but from looking at some of the guys, working out ain't working.
Make sure you'll eat your Wheaties.

Just kidding  ;D

I lift all day on my job, my doctor tells me I need to do some walking.

Good luck out there.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 21, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
Its all in the legs with a bucket harness. I am 6'1', 230lbs. I just lean back with my built in counter weight. ;D
There are no rails on the beach. ;)
A funny thing happened on this trip. John was the first one to run baits out on the kayak. My Boy Mike was the last one to have the life jacket on.
John had to adjust it all the way out. When it was my turn, it fit perfect. John said" I have that adjusted just right for you, Fat!"

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 21, 2016, 06:18:13 PM
Quote from: Shark Hunter on May 21, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
Its all in the legs with a bucket harness. I am 6'1', 230lbs. I just lean back with my built in counter weight. ;D
There are no rails on the beach. ;)
A funny thing happened on this trip. John was the first one to run baits out on the kayak. My Boy Mike was the last one to have the life jacket on.
John had to adjust it all the way out. When it was my turn, it fit perfect. John said" I have that adjusted just right for you, Fat!"



sometimes it pays to be heavy...

like when doing tequila shots with big tim and alan...

the next morning alan told us he calculated our blood alcohol level (cause that's what he does)

alan 2.1; tim 1.5; steve 1.3

it pays to be heavy

Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: PacRat on May 21, 2016, 06:55:09 PM
This is great advice! Especially "rest while line is going out". When I was fishing Cabo; the Mexican deckhands were the best cheerleaders with their one word of English, "REEL, REEL, REEL!!!". With that said...my cranking arm burns like hell during a long fight. Lately, (with all this reel hot-rodding going on around here) I find myself doing a lot of line (braid) transferring from one reel to another. This is either to inspect line that's on a second hand reel or to inspect the spool. What I do is to mount two reels on a pipe or broomstick placed in a bench vise and transfer the line to an empty reel. I do this with a medium/light drag setting and the effort required becomes greater as the spool empties. I know this puts some wear on the drags but I like to think of it as a treadmill for my cranking arm. It's a lot like Alan's advice (tying line to a trailer hitch) but it's focused on the arm and wrist.
-Mike
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Rickb on May 22, 2016, 08:29:00 AM
I have to agree to resting when it's taking out line!
I fish with guys who don't understand the basics and they wear their selves out or loose fish.
  Shark hunter
  I have nephews and a brother that said "an old Fragile Wuss like me needed a bucket harness!
  PacRat.  I helped a guy fill a few reels with braid under tension last week it put the fire in your arm after a few hundred yards. (There was 1200 yds in a spool)I was the one who got to do the cranking!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: theswimmer on May 22, 2016, 09:15:23 AM


Steve,
 When Miss Mari and I arrived on Saturday Alan's BAL was probably still about the same level !
I asked how he was doing,
The look on his face was priceless......
I for one am glad we missed Friday night😁
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Tiddlerbasher on May 22, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
Now that's why line spoolers were invented :D
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Rickb on May 22, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
 We were both line spoilers.He did the little gold penns .
I got to put the line on the big avets (felt like they held five miles worth)he wanted to put 80 pound sufix braid on then some heavy mono. They had heavier line on them. he was heading to texas

      I imagine he was going to fish a pond for bluegill or some other sunfish
everything is bigger in texas so they may weigh several hundred pounds :D ;D
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: boon on May 23, 2016, 03:32:23 AM
If you're going to do it "proper" standup then along with fitness comes having the right gear and using it correctly, you will absolutely need a proper drop belt with the plate low on your thighs, plus a kidney harness. When used properly this setup means you basically just sit down in the harness, you essentially fight the fish with your body weight and your knees as the fulcrum. So many people try to fight with their back and arms, the fish will quickly destroy you if you do this.
If there was a single collection of muscles I could choose to work out for standup they would be the glutes, quads and hamstrings.

If you're going to "use the rail" and just see-saw the fish in low gear, I'd say get a bent-butt 130lb rod and just fish it from the rod holder.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 23, 2016, 03:34:02 AM
You obviously know nothing about using the rail.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 24, 2016, 07:25:31 PM
More fitness nut than newell nut so here goes. First off use the rail when necessary. It is your friend. Do not do curls. Do hammer curls with dumbbells and this is with the palms facing each other. This motion duplicates daily activities whether fishing or changing a tire. We never lift things with our palms facing the sky as in a normal barbell curl. Exercise for normal life activities. For hammer curls you can use dumbbells or resistance bands and I use both. Start with a weight that you can manage and over time work to heavier resistance. Too much too fast and you get injured and then no fishing. Along with the hammer curls you need to do front laterals with dumbbells and this is raising the weight with fairly straight arms up in front of you as if you are going to put them on a shelf about head high or more. This strengthens all the muscles that you use holding a rod with a heavy fish. Alternate the hands such as left and then right. Again start with an easy weight and work up over time.

A third exercise and one that I would say works the entire body if you have no gym access. With a pair of dumbbells on the floor, squat and in one smooth motion stand and lift the dumbbells as if placing them on a shelf head high or more. Return to the floor and continue. This will do everything you need to strengthen for fishing and general life activities.

Use a belt rather than fighting a fish with the butt under your arm.

Dwight (Grandmaster 60+ National Champion)
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Aiala on May 24, 2016, 08:19:43 PM
Great advice, Dwight... thanks!

Any specific routines to help strengthen the back (especially lower)?  :)

~A~
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 24, 2016, 10:47:30 PM
Quote from: Aiala on May 24, 2016, 08:19:43 PM
Great advice, Dwight... thanks!

Any specific routines to help strengthen the back (especially lower)?  :)

~A~

The last exercise that I described does it all. If I were home I could send you pics of Elli demonstrating these exercises that will one day be published.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 24, 2016, 11:06:54 PM
I have bad legs so some things can not be done but I will change the way I am lifting, Thanks.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 24, 2016, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 24, 2016, 07:25:31 PM
A third exercise and one that I would say works the entire body if you have no gym access. With a pair of dumbbells on the floor, squat and in one smooth motion stand and lift the dumbbells as if placing them on a shelf head high or more. Return to the floor and continue. This will do everything you need to strengthen for fishing and general life activities.

Dwight (Grandmaster 60+ National Champion)

Dwight.... would you call this exercise 'dumbbell cleans?"

Steve
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: jigmaster501 on May 25, 2016, 01:25:44 AM
Red,

Since the gym is 50 miles away, you can go once per week and do negative based training that takes a week or so to recover.

Get a hold of Dr Ellington Darden's Bodyfat Breakthrough. This outlines 30 second negative-30 second positive-30 second negative training. You can find more info on www.drdarden.com.

It is intense but works well, especially since the gym is not close.

I bet you could add other things not negative based like high repetition squats or regular deadlifts and be fine.

Don't go any faster than 2 second positive and 4 second negatives on any normal speed movement.

A full body workout with no rest between sets for 8-10 exercises will take 15 minutes tops without stretching after.

You can do brisk walking on your off days through the streets to keep your heart rate elevated if you like.

Get good sleep and eat well.

Hope this helps.

Eugene



Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: boon on May 25, 2016, 04:38:27 AM
Quote from: Keta on May 23, 2016, 03:34:02 AM
You obviously know nothing about using the rail.

Correct. In this little corner of the world it is frowned upon... if you end up with the rod on the rail the fish is considered to have beaten you, soundly. And if you're fishing with a spinning reel... well, you're toast.

I've done a little bit of viewing on youtube in an attempt to understand the concept. In all cases the fundamental point seems to be that it is no longer the angler taking the weight/force of the fish, it is the rail. I see the anglers pushing down on the rod butt, using the rail as a fulcrum. In some the angler even straddled the rod and sat on the butt - rather brave if you ask me - but it seems a curious (although admittedly very effective) way to fight a fish. There is no lift-and-wind, all the work being done by the reel and the rail.
The commonality seemed to be massively heavy rods, reels and presumably lineweights, and a tug of war that didn't involve much playing of the fish, rather a basic physics equation based on 2 weights on either end of a lever. Physical strength doesn't really come into it, as you cannot push down on something any harder than gravity allows you to.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: MarkT on May 25, 2016, 04:50:33 AM
Using the rail is an alternative to being strapped in with a harness and plate for standup. You can be a lot more nimble following the fish up and down the rail when you're not strapped in.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 25, 2016, 05:10:24 AM
Quote from: boon on May 25, 2016, 04:38:27 AM

The commonality seemed to be massively heavy rods, reels and presumably lineweights, and a tug of war that didn't involve much playing of the fish, rather a basic physics equation based on 2 weights on either end of a lever. Physical strength doesn't really come into it, as you cannot push down on something any harder than gravity allows you to.

The large reels are because we do not back down or chase fish and "pumping" is done.  And it does take strength, as much as using your lard with a belt and plate.  Using the rail is far more strenuous than a chair.  I have landed larger YFT using a belt and plate as well as the rail, you should not judge until you have done the same. 
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 25, 2016, 05:17:19 AM
I would say the harness is a lot harder to use on a boat. Being that the fish is pulling straight down, rather than straight out from the beach.
On the sand, you can move around pretty good. I don't know of any other way to do it from the beach.
That is how I prefer it. A 14/0 fully spooled is like a cinder block with a handle on it. I can't see any other alternative, no matter how musclebound you are. My type of fishing is totally different.
To each his own, if you prefer the rail, use it. I know I would. ;)
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 25, 2016, 05:27:17 AM
Want me to build a portable rail for you?   ;D
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 01:32:54 AM
Quote from: swill88 on May 24, 2016, 11:42:47 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 24, 2016, 07:25:31 PM
A third exercise and one that I would say works the entire body if you have no gym access. With a pair of dumbbells on the floor, squat and in one smooth motion stand and lift the dumbbells as if placing them on a shelf head high or more. Return to the floor and continue. This will do everything you need to strengthen for fishing and general life activities.

Dwight (Grandmaster 60+ National Champion)

Dwight.... would you call this exercise 'dumbbell cleans?"

Steve

Absolutely Not, It is a slow controlled motion just as if you pick up a box and place it on a shelf many times. Works the whole body. Best thing to do if you don't have a gym or a garage full of equipment.
Dwight
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 26, 2016, 02:01:56 AM
I have a college student nutritionist, personal trainer /work out freak live in grandson.  And A lifetime membership to 24 HR fitness.
I dont want to work out!  I don't want to change my diet!
I'm going to rest up and when I go fishing for cows, I'm gonna lay on the rail, I couldn't care less about having my name in any record book.
I did the stand up thing with harness, I know what it's all about, I think everyone should battle a cow tuna like this at least once, otherwise I don't think you can really fully appreciate the power of this awesome game fish.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: MarkT on May 26, 2016, 02:58:03 AM
My problem is I have tendinitis/golf elbow in my right arm it gets sore fast when I pull a bunch. This getting old stuff is a b!t$h! One of the guys at the gym has a shirt that says getting old isn't for wimps,
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: RowdyW on May 26, 2016, 03:17:45 AM
Quote from: David Hall on May 26, 2016, 02:01:56 AM

I dont want to work out!  I don't want to change my diet!
I'm going to rest up and when I go fishing for cows, I'm gonna lay on the rail, I couldn't care less about having my name in any record book.


X2
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 26, 2016, 03:27:41 AM
Agreed but did it have to sneak up so fast?  Just yesterday I was an incredible athlete, I could run all day without stopping, bench press more than 2X my body weight, I competed on the mat in international wrestling.
I had 4 minutes of fame when I took the mat in a USAF gym and faced off with Larry Owings the only man on the planet to ever defeat NCAA champion, Olympic gold medalist, Mr. Dan Gable.  Thank you no applause needed, it wasn't a match it was for demonstration purposes only and there was no competition, his level of strength and skill was so far beyond anything I had or could ever achieve, but hey I gave it my best shot, and in 4 minutes the mat was totally clean and I was the rag he used to clean it. The high school boys enjoyed watching.
Then I woke up today and......well I looked in the mirror and there was this old grey haired soft guy looking back at me!  I swear I don't know where the hell he came from?
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: swill88 on May 26, 2016, 04:29:59 AM
i shook hands with willie mays...

he gave me a throwing lesson
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 26, 2016, 04:45:25 AM
I finally caught my ten footer fishing with Zane Grey. ;D
We wore some cool duds back in the thirty's. :D
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 26, 2016, 05:47:49 AM
Quote from: swill88 on May 26, 2016, 04:29:59 AM
i shook hands with willie mays...

he gave me a throwing lesson

He's been my baseball idol my whole life, never met him though.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 26, 2016, 05:55:51 AM
Okay sharkman, it must be time to put on the hip waders!
I hooked up with my first real shark this past September.  We estimated his size based on the length of that unmistakable thresher tail, over five feet long, I believe he was over 300lbs, I caught him on a two speed TLD 50W with will fish frame worked over by Cal Sheets.  Had him on for about 30 minutes and steadily hauling him in.  I had 150 lb braid backing and 130lb mono topshot.  I was sure I had him and would have had him aside the boat in two more minutes when he somehow turned and hit the line with his tail.  I didn't hook him on purpose I was targeting BFT we had caught several 5-7' makos in the days prior but this guy was huge and I came away with a new interest.  I'm going to target them a few times this year.  This time I think I might go with 15' of wire.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 07:30:00 AM
With good exercise principles and a clean diet seniors can be very strong.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Aiala on May 26, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 07:30:00 AM
With good exercise principles and a clean diet seniors can be very strong.

Seniors like you, Dwight... rarer than hen's teeth.  ;)

~A~
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Shark Hunter on May 26, 2016, 01:55:12 PM
David,
I can make you up some cable leaders with a 14/0 and 16/0 hook.
I have a 500' spool of 480lb aircraft cable. PM me your address.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Keta on May 26, 2016, 01:55:15 PM
Quote from: Aiala on May 26, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 07:30:00 AM
With good exercise principles and a clean diet seniors can be very strong.

Seniors like you, Dwight... rarer than hen's teeth.  ;)

~A~

My health issues and injuries caused me to get flabby and over weight but recently I have made major changes in what I eat and I'm going to the YMCA as often as possible.  I lost 15# of lard right away but now the lard is converting to meat and I am no longer loosing weight.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 05:03:21 PM
Quote from: Aiala on May 26, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 26, 2016, 07:30:00 AM
With good exercise principles and a clean diet seniors can be very strong.

Seniors like you, Dwight... rarer than hen's teeth.  ;)

~A~

Very true Aiala, I have lived what I preach and proved it is the right way and show all what they can do if they want to. I only know one other like me and he is getting ready for a national over 70 contest and should easily win. I may compete again when 70 but just have not decided yet. Got 3 years to think about it. Made a 600 lb lift in March and thinking about 700 this summer. We will see. A lot for a 178 pounder.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Dominick on May 26, 2016, 09:34:11 PM
I go to the gym 3 days a week and perform various stretches and workouts.  I still can't get rid of the belly.  I eat healthy also but probably too much fat and carbs.  Dominick
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: newfuturevintage on May 26, 2016, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Dominick on May 26, 2016, 09:34:11 PMI eat healthy also but probably too much wonderful, delicious fat and carbs.  Dominick

fixed that for ya.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Newell Nut on May 27, 2016, 01:28:10 AM
Quote from: Dominick on May 26, 2016, 09:34:11 PM
I go to the gym 3 days a week and perform various stretches and workouts.  I still can't get rid of the belly.  I eat healthy also but probably too much fat and carbs.  Dominick

If you consume more calories than you burn then you choose to be overweight. All gyms are full of strong overweight people. To lose one pound of fat in a week you must give up on average 3500 calories or burn an additional 3500 calories. There is nothing complicated about gaining and losing weight. I walked nearly 10 miles today and lost more but that is only water weight and I will consume that back. Since my food consumption was very light today then I will certainly be slimmer tomorrow.

If you knew exactly what to burn and what to take in you could eat one little box of raisins above that number every day and gain 10 pounds in a year. Most people consume food for pleasure when they should consume food for fuel.
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Rancanfish on May 27, 2016, 07:06:59 PM
Shoulda, coulda....

I work hard physically most of the time.  Various shovels, a dig bar, and sledge make up way too much of my life.

I enjoyed the work for most of the first 35 years.  I now work for about a 5-6 hour day, then come home, shower and hit the hot tub to alleviate the pain in my knees and lower back.  If not I can't work the next day. (Self employed, my boss is great about that).

I'm 5'10" and 175.  I can't physically exercise after work, can't do a squat unless it's down only, and only have the ability to run for my life now.  My joints and spine are wearing out.  No amount of Kool-aid will change that.

Old age ain't for sissies.  On the original subject, I just watched some video's about tuna fishing.  The guys were asked how long they've been hooked up.  'Oh an hour and a half', 'Two hours', etc. etc.  What I realized is I just saved myself a lot of money,  because I'm never going tuna fishing, lol.  You guys go, I'll be at home fishing my rockfish, salmon and sharks.  Now if I was even 50 again, well........
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: AlasKen on May 27, 2016, 07:50:45 PM
Repetition is key.  It is much less weight than reps.  I tend to start heavy and work light then go back to heavy.  I like to start at 12 oz and gradually reduce the weight until it is empty, or I mean until it weighs nothing and then repeat as needed.  Nothing like twelve oz curls to add heft to a body.

Joking aside for me I have found that just walking 2.5 to 3 miles per day and going slow carb has made a big difference.  I also quit the beer and instead have a single double shot of tequila after work as needed.  Something I can sustain and drop inches.  Had to get out my old pants.  Dropped 25 lbs since Feb.  Trying to get ready for fishing and shrimping.  Ken
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Dominick on May 27, 2016, 07:59:11 PM
Quote from: Newell Nut on May 27, 2016, 01:28:10 AM

Most people consume food for pleasure when they should consume food for fuel.
I resemble that remark.   :D ;D Dominick
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: David Hall on May 28, 2016, 02:02:03 AM
x2 , man food without pleasure?  Just kill me now!
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: mikeysm on May 28, 2016, 08:55:28 AM
Next you want to tell us to give up fishing because we're not suppose to like it.

Mike
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: Rickb on May 29, 2016, 06:36:59 PM
Fishing keeps my wallet thin and trim... ::)
Title: Re: physical exercises to get ready for stand up style fishing?
Post by: mikeysm on May 29, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
Yes the bill will cause cadiac arrest.



Mike