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Greetings Sid, (and other old Penn aficionado's)
Sorry I missed the thread location.
Here's a little jewel I picked up recently at a garage sale for a pretty sweet price. ($40)
It's a 146 L Squidder that the gal claimed belonged to her grandfather and was never used.
After I cracked it open, I found the pictured drag stack.
I believe I saw these green drag washers installed in a JM many moons ago, (possibly old Smoooth?) but having CRS at my age, I may be wrong.
I was wondering if anyone could help me i.d. the vintage of this reel, and if it is all original or not.
The only thing that was missing from the box was the tube of Penn lube.
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm6/akadashoe/0c561e2b-a799-45d3-89e6-68ed5e80efff_zps4utqirlr.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/akadashoe/media/0c561e2b-a799-45d3-89e6-68ed5e80efff_zps4utqirlr.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm6/akadashoe/146%20STACK_zpssxanu3pq.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/akadashoe/media/146%20STACK_zpssxanu3pq.jpg.html)
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm6/akadashoe/91237c40-6893-4bc8-b8c9-956584abd492_zpskqpnzusy.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/akadashoe/media/91237c40-6893-4bc8-b8c9-956584abd492_zpskqpnzusy.jpg.html)
Thanks!
Shoe
I have one just like it ( with exception of Smoothy washers) I purchased new off the shelf in 1980. Same box and and reel. That 40B catalog places it same time period. That was a sweet deal you picked up for 40 bucks.
Greg
Hi Shoe,
I actually think I can answer this one accurately!
My source for the answer is "The Chronological History of Penn Reels 1932-1957" by Michael Cacioppo (he's a member here and known as "Penn Chronology"). Chances are pretty good that if I answer a question here, that's where I got the information; the only other source that I know of is the Penn catalogs, and of them I haven't got a one. You've got catalog 40B, which I believe came out in 1977. Someone else will be by to verify or refute (I hope). Nice reel.
The Squidder 140 was born in 1939 and came with a spare spool. Your plastic spool should have the fins on the left side that act as an anti-backlash mechanism through air pressure maintained and directed within the reel's left side plate. Mike's book has several pages dedicated to the Squidder and an explanation of this Penn spool air brake. The Squidder 145 was introduced in 1949. I don't know when the Squidder 146 was introduced, other than after 1957, which is when Mike's book stops.
Sid
Thanks Guys!
So I'm guessing the reel is a late 70's early 80's model.
It doesn't have a speck of corrosion, "patina" "freckling" or other "brassing".
I really can't use this puppy, as I have 6 other 146's, so I may list it on the Flea.
Would I be mistaken to list it as "NIB", as I can't verify if the drags are original?
Any idea what might be an acceptable price range to ask?
One other thing, I got the new 29M spool for an extra $10!
That should sweeten the deal eh? :D
Shoe
(http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm6/akadashoe/new%20146%20metal%20spool_zpsrar9pp2v.jpg) (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/akadashoe/media/new%20146%20metal%20spool_zpsrar9pp2v.jpg.html)
These drags are not original.
So it would not be NIB -- untouched, as came from the factory.
I would represent it as EWB -- Excellent, unused, with box, tools, and papers. No exaggeration that way -- just the facts.
Good pics will take care of the rest -- all six sides and the insides, plus the box and stuff.
If it were mine, I would check eBay for completed auctions of similar condition reels.
If I thought ebay was an option -- I would start it at .99 with a BIN of $75.
Personally think you could net more by posting it here in the for sale section at $75.
After you do your research, it may bring more or less.
Final price is always your determination.
Just my thoughts,
Fred
So as not to confuse, rooted out a box of reels this afternoon and found the 146 Squidder I purchased new and found receipt ...purchased in 1990, not 1980. D'oh! Has black side plates, previous models had red side plates...not sure when they went to black. Greg
Those drag washers are made from Garlock gasket material. I use it at work for flange gaskets. It's high temp material. Problem is it gets hard and brittle after awhile.
Mike
I didn't browse thru this until today. The section below is part of a page from Scotts B & T (Penn Parts). It is probably from one of the catalogs. The link to the page is posted below.
HISTORY:
The 140 Squidder was the first of the Squidder-series created, and it's still manufactured today, albeit with new materials. The 1941 version of this reel featured a light weight plastic spool and a nickel-silver frame, and was also available as a left-handed model (confusingly, this left handed model was number 140L). In the late 80's the 140L was manufactured, featuring an aluminum spool, and the left handed model of this version became the 140L-LH.
The 145 Squidder was the second Squidder to enter the Squidder-series. In the early 60's this reel was manufactured for the first time, it was discontinued around 1980.
The 146 Squidder was the third and final Squidder to enter the Squidder-series. In the early 60's this reel was manufactured for the first time and was manufactured until Penn discontinued it in the year 2000. In 1985 the first light-weight aluminum spool versions became available, as model 146L.
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/ReelSpecs/PennSquidder.aspx#specs
Hello Guys, Let me try to clear a few dating problems.
First---Catalog 40B is a 1984 Copyright. It is dated on the inside of the cover page. "B" Type box catalogs are almost all dated. They also have a code on the back cover that will give you the month and year of issue.
Second---The Squidder reels are introduced as follows:
Squidder 140--1939--Penn Catalog #7
Squidder 145--1949--Penn Catalog #14
Squidder 146--1965--Penn Catalog #27
Using Scotts information will be misleading. They are the best Parts House for Penn Parts in the Country; but, their history has many mistakes.
Mike, how does 40B turn out to be '84? The formula has been (32 + catalog #)-3 for reels made after the war... so that would make the 40B about a '69 vintage... and I'm confused again... what else is new?
Sid
Sid,
I do not know where you got the formula from. I know it was not from me. As soon as you start believing you can logically figure out a formula to date Penn catalogs with, then you have lost the Dating Game.
The 40B catalog is a 1984 catalog because it is dated on the inside front cover and the rear cover. "B" Type catalogs do not follow any formula. You will be happy to know that the "40B' catalog is a 1984 catalog and the "41B" catalog is a 1987 catalog. When following the dating of "B" type catalogs, you have to expect illogical progression. The number "36B" catalog is a 1976 issue, there is no "37B" catalog and the "38B" catalog is a 1982 issue. The "B" type catalogs do not move with the "A" type catalogs.
Quote from: Penn Chronology on May 11, 2016, 09:20:20 PM
Sid,
I do not know where you got the formula from. I know it was not from me. As soon as you start believing you can logically figure out a formula to date Penn catalogs with, then you have lost the Dating Game.
The 40B catalog is a 1984 catalog because it is dated on the inside front cover and the rear cover. "B" Type catalogs do not follow any formula. You will be happy to know that the "40B' catalog is a 1984 catalog and the "41B" catalog is a 1987 catalog. When following the dating of "B" type catalogs, you have to expect illogical progression. The number "36B" catalog is a 1976 issue, there is no "37B" catalog and the "38B" catalog is a 1982 issue. The "B" type catalogs do not move with the "A" type catalogs.
Sorry I missed this earlier. My formula comes from the fact that the first catalog, really a brochure, #1, came from 1932 (that is the 32 in my formula). After that they were numbered sequentially except for the years of WWII in which there were three catalogs missing *(that is the 3 in my formula); so before the war 1932 + catalog#=year of catalog, after the war you have to subtract 3 for the 3 missing catalog years. I thought this formula would work, and I still think it may work, just not for the "B" catalogs.
Sid
Did the 146 ever come with a stainless steel spool?
Sid, look in back section of Mike's history book and you will notice that there were 2 catalogs in the early 50's that were used for 2 years each. #17 is for 1952/53 and #18 is 1954/55. That might put a kink in the formula. ;) ;)
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 24, 2016, 05:44:34 PM
Sid, look in back section of Mike's history book and you will notice that there were 2 catalogs in the early 50's that were used for 2 years each. #17 is for 1952/53 and #18 is 1954/55. That might put a kink in the formula. ;) ;)
Ted
Thanks, Ted, I had been meaning to come back to this formula and couldn't find it. You're right, the formula doesn't work, for a number of reasons, including the one you listed. It does work for all years for which the catalogs/brochures are contiguous. The problems are the skipped years during WWII and those combined years. My search for simplicity has failed.
Sid
Quote from: mo65 on August 24, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
Did the 146 ever come with a stainless steel spool?
Spread out knuckleheads...feret dat foimula! ;) :D ;D How about that spool? 8)
Yes Mo, the 146 stainless spools are out there.
A listing on eBay just ended where the seller had 5 new in the box.
Ted
Thanks Ted. I guess I've been under a rock...I just noticed a ss spooled 146. :P
QuoteSpread out knuckleheads...feret dat foimula! Wink Cheesy Grin
:D :D :D :D :D ;D
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