I'm ordering line this week but still undecided what to get. I was thinking of running straight 80lb mono but I don't know if that's going to enough line on the reel. My next opinion was 600 yards of 130jb hollow core with the rest I'm guessing 200yrds or so of 80lb or 100lb mono.
JB 130 to 100 mono would be the Ultimate! That's pretty stout for a 9/0. I have so many reels, I go straight 80lb mono on the 9. Lee can get a good deal on the JB. I'm going to spool my 12 and 14/0 with JB 130 to 130 lb mono.
You are opening a can of worms here. Every one does it different. ;D
I am currently spooled with straight 80# Ande on my 9/0. If you want to run staight mono then go 80# you will have enough there for all your fishing. A good choice and i plan on making the switch is to go with the Momoi Hi-Catch 80# the diameter of it is alot smaller and you will gain approximately 100-150 extra yards by spooling with it.
If going Braid to Mono top shot then my choice would be run enough braid to leave you with 150-200 yards on the top shot and you should be fine.
I might do the best of both worlds. The 130 jb with the momoi 80lb on top. That should give me more then enough line. I figure with the 9/0 being my biggest reel(at the moment I always like to over prepare. Who knows I could stumble upon a pretty decent shark and I like to have the confidence in my gear.
If you are fishing a stock 9/0 and need a lot of line plus a topshot we spool 500 yards of 80# braid and then pack the spool with either 50 or 60# mono. Fish it with 12 to 20 # of drag and remember when the line is going out your going to have to back off on the drag the deeper the fish gets into your spool or you will suffer breakoffs or reel damage. Now if you have a ss gear sleeve and gears then go ahead and fish 80# or 100# on top of 500 yards of 80# braid. Most of the time I fish straight 50# mono off the beach or when fishing amberjack I use straight 80# mono. There are so many ways to set one up it all depends on how your fishing and what your fishing for.
Already got the gear sleeve and drags. And I got my order in for one of the aluminum frames. And just need to save a little more the ss gear set. So I'm not scared to push this reel
Quote from: Topshot on January 18, 2014, 10:39:05 PM
Already got the gear sleeve and drags. And I got my order in for one of the aluminum frames. And just need to save a little more the ss gear set. So I'm not scared to push this reel
what drags did you get? Pen stock drags are good for about 28#-30#s.
I just ordered the 5 stack of ht100s with the ht100 under the main gear. I went with those till I can get the extra cash to buy the hex main gear
I was going to use straight mono on mine... mainly because I've already got a 1000m spool of Ande 80# Envy.
Chris, Daron how much 80lb do your 9/0 spools suck up?
I already asked Daron this once before.... But sometimes I can't understand his accent ;D ;D ;D
If I'm not mistaken i am right around 700 yards. She was spooled when i bought it. My drops are around 250-300 yards and i am at about 2/3 remaining on my spool.
Hi Guys,
Can I ask a question – as this thread does seem to highlight a common trend.
Why base load with braid heavier than the mono top shot??
Surely, if you are getting down to the braid with a far running shark, or any other fish for that matter, you can't use the strength of the braid to its potential, as the pressure on the mono would cause a breakage there.
If you were to use equal strength braid and mono, it would give you more capacity of braid, thus even more total capacity?
Just a thought.
Cheers from sunny Africa,
Jeri
When most people get to the 100 pound range of braid they use the 130# because for whatever reason it costs less than comparible sizes. the other reason is that they try to get close to the same diameter on lines because it allows for a better connection. thats as for as my knowledge goes on the line subject. There are some guys on here though that can really get technical about the subjuect of line.
I base my Spectra choice more on diameter than breaking strength.
That's the main reason I run heavy braid with heavy mono. I do mostly flathead Catfishing here in arizona. I run 200lb power pro under my 60lb mono. Sure I could just use 50lb braid but you try tying 50lb mono to the braid with the equivolante of 12 pound mono. I just don't trust it. Not to mention where I fish I have a lot of sunken trees and bolder piles. With my experiences any power pro under 100lbs just doesn't have the abration resistance for it. And the thing about 130lb braid being cheaper is strangely true. I was my local tackle shop and 130lb jb hollow was 18¢ a yard as compared to 80lb which was about 23¢ a yard. It's just smarter on your wallet
I will figure out that pricing thing one day
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 19, 2014, 06:13:26 AM
I will figure out that pricing thing one day
It has to do with how it is made and how many fibers it's made out of.
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 19, 2014, 04:37:29 AM
If I'm not mistaken i am right around 700 yards. She was spooled when i bought it. My drops are around 250-300 yards and i am at about 2/3 remaining on my spool.
Quote from: erikpowell on January 19, 2014, 03:53:00 AM
I was going to use straight mono on mine… mainly because I've already got a 1000m spool of Ande 80# Envy.
Chris, Daron how much 80lb do your 9/0 spools suck up?
I already asked Daron this once before…. But sometimes I can't understand his accent ;D ;D ;D
What he said! ;D
Jeri and guys,
How much line do you need on your reels? Has anyone you know RETRIEVED 500+ yards of line on a fish? I can understand guys surf fishing and casting 100+ yards to get into the strike zone. But gain back 500+ yards of line fighting a fish? Ive know guys who travel from socal to Hawaii for marling tournaments who battle thru the night on one fish; maybe on these and RARE occasions you use alot of line. But honestly how often have you RETRIEVED 500+ yards of line? I realize my fishing experience is somewhat limited, so please help me understand the need for 600+ yards of line on a reel. Oh yea, I remember when the crew on long range boats would tie another tuna combo onto your setup when near spooled on a cow tuna and TOSS ??? YOUR SETUP IN THE OCEAN to continue the fight. I told Frank LoPresta that I wasnt EVER going to do that and he wont worry about seeing me on his boat. I dont know about how much line was used in total, but was it over 600 yards...... dont know? Dont mean to hijack the thread.
Thank you,
Leo
Leo,
Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! ;)
Its all about the preparation. Hours and Hours of it pay off when the time comes! ;D
Daron, when have you ever need it all or most of it is my question? And when have you EVER got it ALL back?
Leo
Like Shark Hunter said. You never know when a tru monster is going to take the bait. Just this summer alone i saw 3 9/0's get spooled, and several times we were able to see the spool through the backing before we finally got the sharks turned. anything can happen out there on the big lake.
Thats the problem with MONSTERS ::): they SPOOL YOU!!!!!! And you NEVER SEE THEM, you were NEVER IN THE RACE!!! You need a "bigger boat" and "bigger everything".
If I was 23 years old again, the size and physical condition of Mohammed Ali as I was at the time. I MIGHT consider a long protracted fight with some "monster" just to see "what if" but that's not my "cup of tea" period.
Bye,
Leo
Leo, keep this is mind. Having the right equipment will take you a long way. I use a short XH rod so that i can put more pressure on the fish. The long the rod you use the more i favor of the fish the fight becomes. Think of it this way Short rod means shorter fight, long rod means longer fight.
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 20, 2014, 08:08:12 AM
Leo, keep this is mind. Having the right equipment will take you a long way. I use a short XH rod so that i can put more pressure on the fish. The long the rod you use the more i favor of the fish the fight becomes. Think of it this way Short rod means shorter fight, long rod means longer fight.
That's why my new seeker rod is xxh ;)
Quote from: LTM on January 20, 2014, 07:48:38 AM
Daron, when have you ever need it all or most of it is my question? And when have you EVER got it ALL back?
Leo
I only have a few Sharks under my Belt Leo. Fishing from Shore is a disadvantage. I haven't been spooled yet, but I'm sure I will. Hopefully when a 10 footer picks up my bait, it will be my 14/0. ;)
1000 yards of 130lb test. :P
Well Daron,
If I have anything to do with it, will Gaurantee that after your 2 weeks here this May, your arms are going to be worn out.
Topshot,
I did mean to reply to your post, just got side tracked. Anywho Topshot, have you considered doing what the long-rangers do for economy? Since you have a MONSTER class reel, why not spool with solid core, then use some hollow core, then your top shot. My apologies for my digression. You guys have made me realize that Ive NEVER been into long battles with fish. I guess Ive had enough experience with big STUBBORN fish to not want to be bothered ANYMORE with them. Not that I can pick and choose. If I had my druthers now-a-days, I would keep my fish under 150 lbs that I fight with (thats plenty juicy and tender for me).
Leo
I'll have my younger brother and two Sons with me, plus all their wives. Its going to be a group effort!
My Brother is 6'2, 300 lbs. My Son is training for a Biathlon. Should the Big Boy come knockin' We will be ready! ;)
Well I have a few good spots and I will keep track of which areas are doing the best...Our best night this past summer was 18 total, From sun down til about 4:30am...It was awesome.
18! Wow! :P
Where do you fish? I can get almost 550 yds of 100 lb test on my 9/0, and 600 yds of 80 lb test. Thats enough for the places I fish, but you'll need more if you have to make long drops, (Texas). I'd go with straight mono 60-80. Save braid for a stronger reel w. more drag power, IMO. I agree w. the others, a 9/0 is just not a monster reel. If you want to hunt sharks on the larger spectrum, then a 12/0 or 14/0 will be what you want. If you just like the 50 size, then a 50w two speed will be more capable.
I fish in NW Florida between Okalossa Island and Pensacola Beach/ Ft. Pickens. The Continental self runs really close to us here so it keeps us loaded with larger fish. Heck On the piers here it is nothing for us to catch anywhere from 5-15 Sailfish a year, along with blackfin tuna, Mahi Mahi, and even a stray amberjack now and then. We have a Plethora of species to tangle with right here of the beach.
Granted I would love to have a boat to get into some heavier fishing action but we have our inshore smorgishboard which keeps me happy. And the is plenty of King Mackeral and Cobia (Ling) fishing to be done from the beach and the piers.
Other than the stand, which is the same as any of the bigger Senators, I just don't understand the not a monster reel comment. Sal has gotten more drag out of a Black Pearl hex main gear that fits this reel than anyone needs, and that wasn't max. 550 yards of anything is an awful lot of line. Now that Broadway is bringing out a frame for this reel I say a completely built 9/0 will be stronger than any other Senator. If you need more than 550 yards, switch to braid.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on January 20, 2014, 11:11:30 PM
Other than the stand, which is the same as any of the bigger Senators, I just don't understand the not a monster reel comment. Sal has gotten more drag out of a Black Pearl hex main gear that fits this reel than anyone needs, and that wasn't max. 550 yards of anything is an awful lot of line. Now that Broadway is bringing out a frame for this reel I say a completely built 9/0 will be stronger than any other Senator. If you need more than 550 yards, switch to braid.
Ron
I agree with Ron in principle about using braid for higher line capacity. That's how most of my trolling reels are setup. I prefer to have mono in the water for trolling, but have 600yds of 65 & 100lb braid behind my 50-100yds of 50lb & 80lb mono. These are TLD 20II's and Avet 4/0
However, there is one variable some folks may want to consider.
Here's my case in point:
Every year we have an IGFA game fishing tournament here. The biggest reason a few of us DIDN"T enter last year, was the IGFA rules
that barred us from using braid backing.
I was told by the visiting IGFA rep from Australia that I had to re-spool to full mono my 3 reels that have braid backing. That any catch made on those reels would not be legal as they were.
This is the biggest reason I will go full mono on my 9/0 to save the headache. I'll just have to work my way up to having 2 sets of gear.
My everyday set, and a tournament set. :D
Quote from: noyb72 on January 20, 2014, 11:11:30 PM
Other than the stand, which is the same as any of the bigger Senators, I just don't understand the not a monster reel comment. Sal has gotten more drag out of a Black Pearl hex main gear that fits this reel than anyone needs, and that wasn't max. 550 yards of anything is an awful lot of line. Now that Broadway is bringing out a frame for this reel I say a completely built 9/0 will be stronger than any other Senator. If you need more than 550 yards, switch to braid.
Ron
It might be the most powerful Senator at the Moment Ron, But it lacks capacity in my opinion. a 14/0 can hold 1000 yards of 130 lb test. A 9/0 can hold a lot of line, but 80 to 100lb mono is all you can spool it with and still have the capacity that I need and keep it all mono. I've been cut off with 100lb braid like it was thread, and I won't fish it again. A little birdie told me that inserts are going to be made for the 12 and 14/0. Not that they need it, but I think we are working our way up the Senators to building the Ultimate Beast! ;)
Inserts will be great for the big ones, but like you said I don't think their shortcoming is in drag range. Until someone comes up with a solution to the stand, the Penn's weakest link, then going to heavier drags won't help. They may not even be a good idea. If you are fishing straight mono and want the capacity then I can see the bigger reel, but that doesn't make it stronger.
Ron
With the Dual Rod Braces of the 14/0, I think it does. I have never heard of a stand failing on a 14/0.
Ok if we get inserts and i can get either the 14/0 IV been trying to get for the last two months or either one from tightlines, then i will have it all powder coated red and blue with flames. And instead of calling it a 14/0 tank, i will call mine "SENATOR PRIME". ;D
I'm going to hold you to that Chris! ;D
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 21, 2014, 03:34:08 AM
Ok if we get inserts and i can get either the 14/0 IV been trying to get for the last two months or either one from tightlines, then i will have it all powder coated red and blue with flames. And instead of calling it a 14/0 tank, i will call mine "SENATOR PRIME". ;D
Now this I have to see.
Matter of fact i will take it a Step farther, just powder coat the reel Red and Blue, and then see if I can talk Keta into making me a crank cut into flames which i will have powder coated to look like fire.
Nah,
You need Lee to cut the crank like Optimus' sword.
Ron
Here is the rough sketch....drum roll please...
(http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/wilsonsreelupgrades/Snapshot_20140120_zpsf591629d.jpg)
;D ;D :o ;D ;D
Optimus's Sword would work also...either or but I thing the flame would just be Sick looking.
I agree Chris. Not to knock Lee, but I am still waiting on this one. ;)
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/sharktemplate_zps1c2af127.jpg)
Or maybe like this. [IMG]
That would work also...Be Nicer though if you could get it to look like he was biting the reel connecter screw.
Quote from: Dominick on January 21, 2014, 03:53:30 AM
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 21, 2014, 03:34:08 AM
Ok if we get inserts and i can get either the 14/0 IV been trying to get for the last two months or either one from tightlines, then i will have it all powder coated red and blue with flames. And instead of calling it a 14/0 tank, i will call mine "SENATOR PRIME". ;D
Now this I have to see.
Mine will be Megatron! ;)
They just need to bring back the 16/0 with a solid frame and ss guts.
Dont forget the Solid Aluminum spool also.
Quote from: Shark Hunter on January 21, 2014, 03:32:10 AM
With the Dual Rod Braces of the 14/0, I think it does. I have never heard of a stand failing on a 14/0.
The bridges have blown out though......need a SS bridge and guts
I'll settle for thee ss sleeves for now.
Quote from: Chris Gatorfan on January 21, 2014, 05:26:29 AM
Here is the rough sketch....drum roll please...
(http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65/wilsonsreelupgrades/Snapshot_20140120_zpsf591629d.jpg)
;D ;D :o ;D ;D
I've got a batch of shark handles on their way to Daron, if you want a flame handle, that's easy.
Adam,
You are about to make a lot of Happy Fishermen! ;D
Be careful with those flames! ...you're gonna put a nice hole in your hand of you hit one of those points :o
Drinking and handle creating don't mix, be responsible ;D
Dom
Quote from: broadway on March 19, 2014, 05:53:37 PM
Be careful with those flames! ...you're gonna put a nice hole in your hand of you hit one of those points :o
Drinking and handle creating don't mix, be responsible ;D
Dom
+1 Make sure it's double dogged too. Those flames could take a knuckle buster to a new level! :P Bob