Hey all, I bought a penn Squidder recently that has an interesting handle, anyone know anything about it? I haven't been able to uncover any info. It's plastic with an oversized wood knob, the reel is a 140 converted to a 146 with a p16 tib frame and I think a Newell spool. Let me know what you think, thanks!
The arm is a Newell and the handle knob could be a Penn or maybe home made.
Thanks, idk how I didn't figure that out. New to the world of modding reels and I guess it never occurred to me that a stock Newell arm would cross over.
Definetly a homemade handle.
Hey! I bought one of those too, from the same seller. I thought the handle arm was Newell and somehow modified for the Penn gear sleeve. Nail-polish on the edge of the spool, right?
I asked the seller about the customization of the reel, and was told that the reels belonged to the father, and that he turned the knobs. I really like the original look of it. Looks like it could muscle some big fish from the bottom. I had hoped to find a stainless gear sleeve in it, but no. Adding one of those and maybe double-dogging would make this a very bad boy.
Hah! I guess it shouldn't surprise me that the other one ended up in the hands of someone here! I'll be honest with you I wanted both! Glad it went to someone who will appreciate it, use it and take care of it! Mine doesn't have nail polish on the edge of the spool, what would that do? Close the gap between spool and frame to prevent eating thinner line? I think the one you got had braid, mine had 30# mono on it.
Those mods would definitely make a tough reel. I bought it more for the casting rather than heavy cranking, its sitting on a 12' MH surf rod patiently waiting for the big redfish to show up in numbers here in GA.
I like the knob too and I think I'll leave it on there as a little homage to a fella that cared enough to make his gear his own.
There are some spacer washers and a cupped washer on either side of the drag and crank arm, does yours have these? and in what order? I carelessly didn't note the order when I took it apart and it took me a couple attempts to get it back together so it was functioning but the travel on the drag star seems very limited. It moves enough to go from very little drag to clamped down real tight but since we have a reel in common I figure its worth asking so my inexperience doesn't cost damage to a nice little reel.
Yes, mine has braid, and red nail polish the color of the frame to close the spool gap, as you said.
I'll try to post some pics later to help answer your question.
There's another available, and if I know you're bidding I won't drive up the price ;)
What rod is your heaver? I'm always on the lookout for good ones. I have a Penn Pro Guide 12', a Daiwa Sealine X 11' and a BreakAway 11'10' that I haven't thrown yet.
I saw the other one, and I definitely want a Squidder in the 140 size because I can't decide if the 146 is a touch on the small side or not. I suppose I'll just have to get a 140 and a 145 too to settle that one. He started the new listing a little higher, I don't think I'll bite. Two reels in the past two weeks is enough for a minute.
I only have two heavy surf rods, an offshore angler ocean master 10' heavy, which I really like. I wish I had bought the 12 but being I'm not a fanatical caster I feel like the 10' rod makes me focus on good form and mechanics to fully load the shorter rod.
The other is an offshore angler breakwater that got christened today with a couple 3-4' Sharks. I'm happy with it, it casts 6oz and a whiting strip like a dream. I didn't put everything I have into it today because I'm also learning to cast the Squidder, but it feels like there is a lot left in the rod when I'm throwing it 60-70%
Brett, here's a pic of the handle/shaft assembly. Does that help? There is also a washer under the star that looks similar to the thin metal one under the handle blade.
The 145's are a bit harder to find, but I like that size best for distance casting.
Well it sure looks like that squidder has an aftermarket gear sleeve. Can you show a better pic of that top portion where the handle mounts ??
That helps, thanks! It seems that I have an extra component. I have the two flat washers, which ended up in the same location as you show, plus a cupped washer, maybe it was put in there to provide a little extra drag tension? I don't know why someone would need more that what you can get out of the standard washer upgrades? The reel had 30# Ande pink on it I'll try to get a picture of it and the order I have it assembled this evening. I'll also snap one of the gear sleeve, Maxed I'd like to know what you see that makes you think its not stock.
Here is the order of installation that provided the best function. I'm going to omit the cupped washer between the outter flat washer and the star and see how that works. It should give more travel on the star to the outside but it is already backing off to almost no drag.
Also a couple close ups of the gear sleeve
Looks like he modified a Newell gear sleeve for the squidder.
Is there a materiel or quality difference between a Newell gear sleeve and a stock penn? Or did the original owner switch them out to fit a crank arm he preferred? I can say with certainty the gear sleeve has been removed a time or two because there is a little deformation around the pin where it was tapped in or out without a punch.
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 07, 2019, 04:12:27 AM
Well it sure looks like that squidder has an aftermarket gear sleeve. Can you show a better pic of that top portion where the handle mounts ??
Quote from: Bryan Young on August 08, 2019, 05:34:26 AM
Looks like he modified a Newell gear sleeve for the squidder.
Quote from: BrettS on August 08, 2019, 11:29:39 AM
Is there a materiel or quality difference between a Newell gear sleeve and a stock penn? Or did the original owner switch them out to fit a crank arm he preferred? I can say with certainty the gear sleeve has been removed a time or two because there is a little deformation around the pin where it was tapped in or out without a punch.
The plot thickens... I thought that sleeve was different. A Newell sleeve in a Squidder? Very curious.
It's the only way to fit that handle blade to the Squidder...nice work. That sleeve is less likely to round on the end like a Penn sleeve.
Quote from: mo65 on August 08, 2019, 01:37:14 PM
It's the only way to fit that handle blade to the Squidder...nice work. That sleeve is less likely to round on the end like a Penn sleeve.
Mo, how is it less likely to round? Different metal than the Penn? Different profile?
Quote from: Decker on August 08, 2019, 02:08:25 PM
Mo, how is it less likely to round? Different metal than the Penn? Different profile?
Yes Joe, the profile. It's a longer rectangular shape...not nearly as easy to "roll" as the half rounded Penn profile.
Cool!
Anyone know if there are mods needed to install a Newell sleeve in the Squidder? I don't think I've ever seen a post on this site that used that combination. Maybe Bryan knows?
Yeah this has certainly taken a turn towards more interesting. I thought this thread would die with the answer to what crank is this. Other than less chance of rounding is there any other benefit to the Newell sleeve? I would be very surprised if no one here has done a mod like this before, but maybe not? And like Joe said Cool!!
Snap some pictures when you open it up. Is it possible it has newell gears too? I didn't think they'd fit.
Here is the main gear, sleeve and drag stack. Should the dog be brass or steel? The one in this reel is without a doubt steel as it stuck to a magnetic screw driver tip.
Thanks, Brett.
To me, these reels look like a great buy. Apparently that Newell gear sleeve is doing the same job that a stainless gear sleeve would do - preventing the handle from rounding the end of the sleeve. This is what I gather from the members that have commented. The guy who built these reels knew what he was doing. Would be interesting to learn more about him.
Quote from: Decker on August 16, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
The guy who built these reels knew what he was doing. Would be interesting to learn more about him.
I agree Joe. Every once in a while someone posts one of these early hotrods and you see some really cool work. I've never seen a stock Squidder with a steel AR dog, so that has to be an add on too. 8)
This item just ended on eBay . . . I almost bid on it, but couldn't "pull the trigger" !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Squidder-No-140-With-Silver-Tiburon-Frame-/223614351811?nma=true&si=pdPinAcaqOZOuusT6FsilzhJMcY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-Squidder-No-140-With-Silver-Tiburon-Frame-/223614351811?nma=true&si=pdPinAcaqOZOuusT6FsilzhJMcY%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
Tight Lines !
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/faEAAOSwotNdSf9H/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2TYAAOSwC4FdSf9N/s-l1600.jpg)
That all looks like Penn parts to me, if it's a newell gear sleeve they're must be a hole drilled in it to hold it on the shaft.
Swami, I think what is leading us to believe that the gear sleeve is Newell is the compatibility with the graphite Newell handle and the shape of the portion of the sleeve that fits the handle. Others have commented that the flats in the threads are much larger than a stock penn. The sleeve does have a pin holding it on the shaft, I don't see any errant tool/file/drill marks that would indicate it has been modded, but it could just be quality work that was cleaned up nice.
Dave, you showed more restraint than I did. I bought the red framed 140 that expired a few hours before that green one. Got it for the starting price which is all I would allow myself to bid.
Joe, since I bought another from the same seller I'm going to probe him a little about who his dad was/is and what he built these reels for. The address he is shipping from is on the south shore of Long Island so I suppose stripers or blues would make sense but there is a ton of opportunity up there so no telling!
Quote from: BrettS on August 17, 2019, 02:44:32 PMDave, you showed more restraint than I did. I bought the red framed 140 that expired a few hours before that green one. Got it for the starting price which is all I would allow myself to bid.
I had "bigger fish to fry", 10 days earlier . . . LOL !
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ACCURATE-PENN-140-SQUIDDER-WITH-BRAID-LINE/273903604051?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/ACCURATE-PENN-140-SQUIDDER-WITH-BRAID-LINE/273903604051?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)Here she is, safe and sound, at home !
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=29216.0 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=29216.0)Tight Lines !
Oooh, yeah you did. I didn't realize that was yours. I commented on that thread, sexy reel man. Whatcha gonna use it for?
Quote from: BrettS on August 17, 2019, 08:50:16 PM
Oooh, yeah you did. I didn't realize that was yours. I commented on that thread, sexy reel man. Whatcha gonna use it for?
It will be used on a live bait rod for pier and jetty fishing, spooled up with 25 lb Trilene Big Game mono now.
Tight Lines !
Quote from: BrettS on August 17, 2019, 02:44:32 PM
Joe, since I bought another from the same seller I'm going to probe him a little about who his dad was/is and what he built these reels for. The address he is shipping from is on the south shore of Long Island so I suppose stripers or blues would make sense but there is a ton of opportunity up there so no telling!
Brett, I was thinking of doing the same, but will hold off to see what you find out. Seems like he could use a little help with pricing and marketing the reel gear.
Quote from: ez2cdave on August 17, 2019, 01:09:46 PM
This item just ended on eBay . . . I almost bid on it, but couldn't "pull the trigger" !
Like Brett, I had no hesitation, and got that one.
Voila! Just couldn't help myself.
Nice score Joe! That green Monofil 26 spool is probably worth what you paid for the whole shebang. I'd find a black spool to replace it and set the green one back for a Monofil 26 project. That spool is the hardest part of the green reel to find. 8)
Quote from: mo65 on August 21, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
That green Monofil 26 spool is probably worth what you paid for the whole shebang. 8)
Hehe, if only... No, I think it is a painted Newell 145 spool. Yeah, I always like those deals where you buy a reel, and sell one part to pay for the whole purchase.
Joe, very nice. You got my attention though... a Newell 145 spool? I just assumed that was a full width 140, I know I could find the specs on my own but since we have a nice squidder thread going here and it's a PITA posting on my phone, does anyone know off hand the frame/post width for 140 and 145? Or the tiburon frame model number for each?
Brett, the 145 spool width is 2 3/16 inches or thereabouts. It is the same as the 99, 66, 150, and 25 as Mo mentioned. There is a post somewhere that lists all the Squidder sizes. I'll try to find it or you might do the same by googling: "site:alanTani.com 140 145 146 width". Once you learn that trick, you can find anything ever posted here.
I like the mid-size reels, and often sellers don't properly identify them. There is only 5/16 inch difference between a 140 and a 145, or a 500 and a 99, so it can be hard to catch in a photo. Several times I've bought 99-width Jigmasters that we being sold as 500's.
The Tiburon numbers are easy to find on their site: https://www.tiburonfishingreels.com/squidder
P.S. Here are the links. The first shows how to use google to search this site:
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Q-VdXdjcFYqb_QbDrJrABw&q=site%3AalanTani.com+140+145+146+width&oq=site%3AalanTani.com+140+145+146+width&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2231.2231..3122...1.0..0.94.162.2......0....2j1..gws-wiz.....10..35i39.kGAE9RM0pIA&ved=0ahUKEwiYipzcn5XkAhWKTd8KHUOWBngQ4dUDCAc&uact=5 (https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=Q-VdXdjcFYqb_QbDrJrABw&q=site%3AalanTani.com+140+145+146+width&oq=site%3AalanTani.com+140+145+146+width&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2231.2231..3122...1.0..0.94.162.2......0....2j1..gws-wiz.....10..35i39.kGAE9RM0pIA&ved=0ahUKEwiYipzcn5XkAhWKTd8KHUOWBngQ4dUDCAc&uact=5)
The second is the page that has all the widths:
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3665.msg26060#msg26060 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3665.msg26060#msg26060)
PRICELESS!
And, oh, if you ever get a link that has "printpage" in it, it will display the page without graphical features. Not sure why it exists, but if you get one of those links, you can remove "action=printpage;" from the URL and get the normal page. Example below:
https://alantani.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=9984.0
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9984.0
I almost forgot the Tiburon P16XN extra-narrow Squidder that Randy Pauly (Vintage Offshore Tackle) ran recently. I believe they're all gone, but maybe he'll do another run if there is enough demand. https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=27423.15 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=27423.15)
Well mine got here today and it turns out it's a 145 width with 140 side plates. Same components throughout as the one this post started on. I suppose it's a different generation of frame than yours Joe, no cutouts on the upper most portion front and rear, and no model number anywhere on it, unless it's on the bottom covered up by the stand. More pleasant surprises! I would have gone right on thinking it was a 140 had Joe not bought the other and known what it was.
Thanks for the tips on searching the site through google, that makes it a ton easier to sift through results, what a time saver. The info on the squidder thread is valuable, but I think the priceless info is how to help my damn self!
With any luck both of these reels will get a real workout this weekend, the mullet should start moving through any minute now with big reds and sharks in tow!
Brett,
Sounds like you have some great fishing down there! Post some pics if you can.
The 145 is my favorite size for surf casting. From the pictures, I thought your 2nd was a 140 too. We've each got a 146 and a 145 from this estate now. Funny.
I haven't explored the internals of mine yet. Thanks for your pictures and for discovering the steel dog.
Quote from: Decker on August 23, 2019, 12:58:14 PMThanks for your pictures and for discovering the steel dog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK6Nzr_qBo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UK6Nzr_qBo)