I must confess that I'm a little unclear as to what constitutes a Penn "99"... is it from the Jigmaster family, Long Beach, Silver Beach, or what?
I'd be most appreciative if some kind soul would enlighten me. :)
~A~
The 99 is known as the Silver Beach. It isn't in a family of other reels and mysticparts.com list it as a misc., standard conventional...
https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Conventional.aspx#Standard (https://www.mysticparts.com/PennParts/Conventional.aspx#Standard)
I'm guessing they are fairly rare as my records indicated I've never worked on one. Looking through the parts list it appears to share a lot of parts with the Longbeach series of reels (the 60s in particular).
"Edited as per Moderators to correct Scott's Bait & Tackle over to their new store name Mystic Reel Parts / www.mysticparts.com"
It could also mean a conversion of a Jigmaster to a mid size between the full 500 and the narrow 501.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=3634.0
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6437.0
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=6196.0
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=1318.0
The width of the 99 is half way between a 500 and a 501 with 3:1 gears. It is similar to the Jigmaster and some parts are interchangeable but not all.
Crystal Clear now. Right. ;)
Aha, I see... I think. So, the "99" is basically a Jigmaster 500 with a slightly narrower stand, bars and spool (but not as narrow as a 501). Presumably, then, the internals are such that it could be upgraded to a 5:1 ratio? :)
~A~
Quote from: Aiala on March 02, 2014, 12:38:37 AM
Presumably, then, the internals are such that it could be upgraded to a 5:1 ratio? :)
~A~
The only way to do this is to use a 500/501 side plate to get 4:1, I'm not sure if a 505/506 side plat fits.
Quote from: Keta on March 02, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
Quote from: Aiala on March 02, 2014, 12:38:37 AM
Presumably, then, the internals are such that it could be upgraded to a 5:1 ratio? :)
~A~
The only way to do this is to use a 500/501 side plate.
Exactly what I was thinking! 500 sideplate(s) + Tiburon P29K Frame & Spool + 5:1 gears = One fast Penn "99" Conversion (and trashed bank account... yikes. :P )
Many thanks for the info, gents.
~A~
I have 2 99 width Tib frames with 500/501 side plates and factory 4:1 gears. I also have Surfmaster 250/501 Franken reels (250N) that are 3:1.
Quote from: Aiala on March 02, 2014, 12:54:24 AM
Quote from: Keta on March 02, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
Quote from: Aiala on March 02, 2014, 12:38:37 AM
Presumably, then, the internals are such that it could be upgraded to a 5:1 ratio? :)
~A~
The only way to do this is to use a 500/501 side plate.
Exactly what I was thinking! 500 sideplate(s) + Tiburon P29K Frame & Spool + 5:1 gears = One fast Penn "99" Conversion (and trashed bank account... yikes. :P )
Many thanks for the info, gents.
~A~
Or you can get a Newell 332 which is a 99 sized jigmaster with the fast 5:1 gears.
thanks for the correction jigmaster501..
The Penn 99 is a Silver Beach reel.
It has 6 screws on the reel base and the left sideplate and rings are not interchangeable with the jigmasters. The right side plate can be swapped out with a jigmaster right side plate as the quick change feature is the same between the reels.
The gears share the same main as the squidder using a 6-60 drag washer and is a 3:1 gear ratio.
It is the same size as a Newell 332.
This is basically a narrowed down Penn 250 Surfmaster and I think the main and pinion gears are interchangeable.
Good condition reel bases are impossible to find. The only upgrade reel base that can be used is the Newell base for their 4/0 yellowtail special.
If you want to use a 500 jigmaster spool on this reel you could use the regular Newell 4/0 conversion base.
My friend has a few and I went over all this with him trying to find a base for one that was corroded.
One of his reels, he had a machinist friend of ours drill and tap the different holes in a Tiburon frame. Came out nice.
Wow, I learn something new everyday. I'd heard that called an Albacore Special but not a "99". Why don't we call it a 599 to differentiate from the stock 99?
AHA! Alan and I talked about this in 2008, we figured out the 500 Jigmaster R/H side assembly fit right on! Best Upgrade for the 99Silver Beach giving a faster 4:1 ratio, better 309 drags. The original side plate has the small 6-60 drags and 2.5:1 ratio, too slow! In its original configuration, not too functional. But as a narrow jigmaster, its a great reel! hence the 99Jigmaster! cheaper than finding the newell base and bars to narrow a standard 500 Jigmaster.
I have one of these, oversized handle, SS fine thread gear sleeve with larger star drag, added HT100 under the gear, and all hex head stainless screws. These also originally came with a plastic spool as well as chromed brass. Mine has the chromed brass spool, great for wire line trolling 30 or40#. I'm selling it for $75.00, in the for sale forum, tight lines!
the older japanese guys living in southern california really loved this old coversion. they were used on the day boats and overnight boats for albacore runs. lots of history there.
Hello Aiala,
Below are some pics of Penn Silver Beach No. 99 reels and how they compare in size to a Penn Jigmaster 501 and Penn Jigmaster 500. The 3 reels in the back are Penn 99 reels.
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0018-2.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/johnw224/media/DSCF0018-2.jpg.html)
Penn 99 vs. Penn Jigmaster 501.
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0019-2.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/johnw224/media/DSCF0019-2.jpg.html)
Penn 99 vs. Penn Jigmaster 500
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0020-2.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/johnw224/media/DSCF0020-2.jpg.html)
Some examples of a Penn Jigmaster 501 or 500 coverted to the size of a Penn Silver Beach 99 reel. The reel in the back is a Penn Silver Beach 99 reel.
(http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff515/johnw224/DSCF0021-1.jpg) (http://s1239.photobucket.com/user/johnw224/media/DSCF0021-1.jpg.html)
John
Thank you for sharing these terrific photos, John! They are most illustrative. You clearly have a very impressive collection. :)
~A~
Beautiful reels John, as always ;)
X2. Both of my 99's have been rode hard and put away wet...in saltwater, but nice ones are hard to find and bring big $$$.
John, I always love seeing your reels. I'd love to see the whole collection. You have some awesome eye candy. Bob
Quote from: jigmaster501 on March 02, 2014, 02:43:48 AM
The Penn 99 is a Silver Beach reel.
Good condition reel bases are impossible to find. The only upgrade reel base that can be used is the Newell base for their 4/0 yellowtail special.
I can get new Penn 30-99 Stands for $15 each if you need them.
I never put together that the base would be the same as the YTS. I knew it was the same width as the 66. A Newelled 99 would be different, anybody know if the Newell 99 width bars fit a 99 or only a narrowed 500?
Ron
Ron, the "99" width Newell bars that fit the jigmaster sideplates won't fit the 99 silverbeach. Slightly diffferent screw spacing. However, Newell did make some bars that fit the silverbeach, 145 squidder, and others. I have a set on my 150 surfmaster.
George
So you can fit the small conventional bars? It would be an exploding reel but it would be really cool. I might have to make one. How many different spools did the 99 come with?
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on March 04, 2014, 04:13:29 AM
How many different spools did the 99 come with?
Ron
Two, a plastic and a chromed (bronze?) spool. I bought my Silver Beach to use the spool in my first jigmaster narrowed to the "99" width. The Accurate and Tiburon spools from my Albacore Specials also fit in my Silver Beach.
Cool,
I wasn't sure if their was a 3 piece spool to avoid. One more on my bucket list.
Ron
Of the Penn 99 Silver Beach reels I have 2 have plastic spools and 3 have "3 piece" spools.
John
Like I said, it will be a long time before I ever get to this. Something else I thought of, An all Penn Grouper Special would be cool. 99 base, 66 spool bars and gear train, black Senator side plates. I imagine anyone would have better use for those parts, but for the guy who has everything that would be cool. Seems like Penn should have made one of those.
Ron
Yes, my metal 99 spool is also 3-piece.
Ok trying to wrap my head around this model:
Use 500/501 plates, will the new plates from Cortez Conversions also work?
Use a Tib frame and spool for the Jigmaster 99
Use the AT gear sleeve
Use the 5+1 drags stack
Can I use the Pro Challenger double dog bridge?
Use the Pro Challenger 4:1 gear and pinion
Thanks for the advice in advance!
Andy
Yes to all of the above and you will have a great little reel....Albacore Special.
Thanks PAcRat! Just wanted to make sure I was reading things right before I launch into this build.
Andy
Its just a little more narrow than a regular 500.
Stock 500 width on the left. 99 frame on the right.
(http://i1300.photobucket.com/albums/ag93/darondyer/IMG_2645_zpsb0f5bac8.jpg)
What hasn't been said yet that might help others is that a 99 Silverbeach is not a narrow 500 Jigmaster. It is a unique reel with its own stand. A Jigmaster that is narrowed to 99 width, or a 99 that has a Jigmaster right side plate, is known as an Albacore Special.
Ron
Quote from: steelhead_killer on January 27, 2016, 03:11:09 AM
Ok trying to wrap my head around this model:
Use 500/501 plates, will the new plates from Cortez Conversions also work?
Use a Tib frame and spool for the Jigmaster 99
Use the AT gear sleeve
Use the 5+1 drags stack
Can I use the Pro Challenger double dog bridge?
Use the Pro Challenger 4:1 gear and pinion
Thanks for the advice in advance!
Andy
Yes Andy, you could use the double dog bridge and other parts mentioned above. Mike and myself have noticed that one of the dog on these custom bridge is catching a little on the custom plates.
You would get away without doing anything, but I'm sure it would bother you as it did us ;D.
Here is a pick of what should be done:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16099.msg171235#msg171235
Mike also mentioned the sleeve ratchet, I personally didn't have any issues with it and don't believe that the sleeve ratchet being a hair wider would cause any, but see it for yourself.
The spool on the 99 kit from Tiburon (P29K) will be a little loose with Tom's plates. Tom has a washer that could be added on the spool shaft to pick up the slack, I simply place a piece of Delrin at the base of the bearing cup, those are leftovers from stamping my Delrin washers.
Sal
Quote from: noyb72 on January 27, 2016, 06:39:37 AM
What hasn't been said yet that might help others is that a 99 Silverbeach is not a narrow 500 Jigmaster. It is a unique reel with its own stand. A Jigmaster that is narrowed to 99 width, or a 99 that has a Jigmaster right side plate, is known as an Albacore Special.
Ron
Here are some dimensions for comparison. I will not post other reel parts that don't belong with these reels and try not to confuse you ;) ;D
These are with Tiburon frames:
P21 (501).... 1 5/8" wide
P29 ( 99 ).... 2 1/8" wide
P20 (500)....2 7/16" wide
Newell made some wider versions, but we'll stick with Tiburon for now.
Sal
Quote from: noyb72 on January 27, 2016, 06:39:37 AM
What hasn't been said yet that might help ... is known as an Albacore Special.
Ron
To add a little confusion to all this,
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=253.0
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 27, 2016, 06:57:26 AM
I will not post other reel parts that don't belong with these reels and try not to confuse you ;) ;D
Sal
Here are some parts that don't belong to these reels that might make it as clear as mud.
Penn 30-66 stand
Penn 37-65 frame post
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8581/15815207947_b098ee2322.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7463/15815208247_9d013f6374.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7547/15378698294_8e9d00c3d4.jpg)
No, those are relate. I was talking about the spinner parts above...good luck trying to fit them in the 99 :-\.
Sal
Quote from: DaBigOno on January 27, 2016, 02:50:08 PM
Quote from: noyb72 on January 27, 2016, 06:39:37 AM
What hasn't been said yet that might help ... is known as an Albacore Special.
Ron
The photo of the stan looks like a 65 not a 66 stand.
To add a little confusion to all this,
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 27, 2016, 06:57:26 AM
I will not post other reel parts that don't belong with these reels and try not to confuse you ;) ;D
Sal
Here are some parts that don't belong to these reels that might make it as clear as mud.
Penn 30-66 stand
Penn 37-65 frame post
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8581/15815207947_b098ee2322.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7463/15815208247_9d013f6374.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7547/15378698294_8e9d00c3d4.jpg)
That didn't post right but the photos show a 65 stand not a 66 stand. But they are both the same width but the 66 stand is stronger & a rod clamp can be added. RUDY
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 27, 2016, 03:00:08 PM
No, those are relate. I was talking about the spinner parts above...good luck trying to fit them in the 99 :-\.
Sal
That's too funny, i didn't even notice those gears in Daron's photo.
Quote from: RowdyW on January 27, 2016, 03:15:12 PM
That didn't post right but the photos show a 65 stand not a 66 stand. But they are both the same width but the 66 stand is stronger & a rod clamp can be added. RUDY
Hi Rudy,
Not to debate with you on the stand, but...
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1612/24019988414_8005e64407_z_d.jpg)
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 27, 2016, 06:47:48 AM
Quote from: steelhead_killer on January 27, 2016, 03:11:09 AM
Ok trying to wrap my head around this model:
Use 500/501 plates, will the new plates from Cortez Conversions also work?
Use a Tib frame and spool for the Jigmaster 99
Use the AT gear sleeve
Use the 5+1 drags stack
Can I use the Pro Challenger double dog bridge?
Use the Pro Challenger 4:1 gear and pinion
Thanks for the advice in advance!
Andy
Yes Andy, you could use the double dog bridge and other parts mentioned above. Mike and myself have noticed that one of the dog on these custom bridge is catching a little on the custom plates.
You would get away without doing anything, but I'm sure it would bother you as it did us ;D.
Here is a pick of what should be done:
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=16099.msg171235#msg171235
Mike also mentioned the sleeve ratchet, I personally didn't have any issues with it and don't believe that the sleeve ratchet being a hair wider would cause any, but see it for yourself.
The spool on the 99 kit from Tiburon (P29K) will be a little loose with Tom's plates. Tom has a washer that could be added on the spool shaft to pick up the slack, I simply place a piece of Delrin at the base of the bearing cup, those are leftovers from stamping my Delrin washers.
Sal
Thanks Sal this response is a good information and a good reminder. I was not confused by the Spinning reel gears lol. He will have to try harder next time.
First time that i've seen a 66 stand with open sides like a 65. All the 66 stands I've ever seen or owned had closed sides. The open sided one must be a scarce version. RUDY
Depending on how I tilt my head, I also see 99
::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::)
Is 99-03 with a backwards 3 a secret part? ??? ::) ;D :-\ ;)
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 27, 2016, 05:11:12 PM
Depending on how I tilt my head, I also see 99
::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::) ;D ::)
I'm just glad they're both facing the same direction ;)
I'm pretty sure Andy wants to build a 99 width Jigmaster.
If he really wants an Aluminum framed 99.
George shows us how its done here.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=12312.0
Yes a 99 sized Jigmaster. I don't have the tool setup here now to pull off drilling a few holes in a Tib frame. Sounds like a project that I would have to do twice, because the first one would look like swiss cheese.
Andy, You can do this with all the off-the-shelf custom parts that you listed. You would only need to drill if you were going to build an old-school Silver Beach 99 on a Tib Frame with Silver Beach side-plates. If you want to build a 99 size Jigmaster with Tom's plates and Tib frame you are good to go.
Here's a brief history of the 99 size reels which will either clarify it or completely confuse you:
Penn made a 99 model also known as a Silver Beach. Width wise it is between a 500 and a 501 also the spool diameter is the same. The left sideplate has an inner & outer ring on it and the reel also has a 1-screw take apart just like the Jigmasters. The other major difference is the main and pinion gears in a Penn 99 Silver Beach are the same as a Surfmaster with a 3:1 gear ratio. Most of the "99's" that you see today are converted 500's or 501's with either 4:1 or 5:1 gears in them, same basic reel as a Newell 332 size wise.
In southern California during the 60's and 70's, the Jigmaster 99 conversion was a favorite among the old Japanese guys that fished the day boats out of southern California. They would pull a side plate off a Jigmaster and slap it on a 99 frame and spool. It made a great 25 to 30 pound reel. Straight 30 pound mono was the line of choice in those days, and the 501 just didn't hold enough, while the 500 held more than was needed for albies. The 500's, drag was much better, and of course faster gears too.
The late, great Jerry Morris is credited with coining the term "Albacore Special" after mating Jigmaster 500 sideplates with a Penn 99 Silver Beach spool and frame circa 1966.
The first commercial use of the name 'Albacore Special' was a Newell kit. Carl Newell (a good friend of Jerry's) made bars, base and spool and called it a Model #99 Albacore Special. This kit fit Penn Jigmasters to make the 99 size which is between the full 500 and the 501 sizes. On a Penn 99 Silver Beach sideplate the bar screw holes are set too wide apart (center to center) for Newell 300 Series or Jigmaster bars, but Newell 145 (Squidder) bars will fit them. Also, the base on Penn 99's have three screw holes, not two like all the other normal Penn reels of that size.
The 99 width is the size of a Newell 332 (2 1/8"), which is a very desirable size in the 300 series. Carl Also made the Newell 338 (2 7/16") which is the identical width of a Penn 500, and 322 (1 5/8") which is the same width as a Penn 501. A 99 Albacore Special is Penn 500 Jigmaster converted with Newell kit, or any of many other companies and machinist that have made frames for these fine reels.
These are amazing reels, especially when you look at the timeframe that Penn and Newell started making them. At the time these were considered the absolute best reels made.
Got it! Thanks PacRat that was great! Im clear now! Going to build a 99 with Tom's plates and a Tib frame and spool. The only thing I am considering now is to go with 5:1 or 4:1 gears.
Thanks PacRat!
Great info,
Steve
I have heard PacRat's story about the creation of the 99 sized Jigmaster from someone who worked for Jerry at that time at the Tackle Box in Hermosa Beach. The 501 is narrow, the 500 wide and the 99 square with a spool as wide as the plates are tall. Other '99' sized reels are Penn 99/545GS/225LD, Newell 332, PG 545/550/625/2500, Shimano TOR/TRN20, TLD15, Daiwa SLX-40/SA40/STT40/SLT40, Boss 870, Avet JX, SST-7530 are all about the same size/capacity. This list is old and there are newer reels that fall into this category as well. It's been a popular size for decades! I have a 99 Jigmaster, 545GS, PG 545, Tor 20, Saltiga 40, Avet JX 6/3. They're all about the same size and fall into the 99 category. Just like the Newell 200-series (220/229/235) are based on the 3 sizes of Squidders (146/145/140) only with 5:1 gears and Jigmaster sized drags, the 300-series (322/332/338) are based on the 3 sizes of Jigmasters (501/99/500) only with bearings and 5:1 gears.
Quote from: MarkT on January 28, 2016, 03:13:49 PM
I have heard PacRat's story about the creation of the 99 sized Jigmaster from someone who worked for Jerry at that time at the Tackle Box in Hermosa Beach. The 501 is narrow, the 500 wide and the 99 square with a spool as wide as the plates are tall. Other '99' sized reels are Penn 99/545GS/225LD, Newell 332, PG 545/550/625/2500, Shimano TOR/TRN20, TLD15, Daiwa SLX-40/SA40/STT40/SLT40, Boss 870, Avet JX, SST-7530 are all about the same size/capacity. This list is old and there are newer reels that fall into this category as well. It's been a popular size for decades! I have a 99 Jigmaster, 545GS, PG 545, Tor 20, Saltiga 40, Avet JX 6/3. They're all about the same size and fall into the 99 category. Just like the Newell 200-series (220/229/235) are based on the 3 sizes of Squidders (146/145/140) only with 5:1 gears and Jigmaster sized drags, the 300-series (322/332/338) are based on the 3 sizes of Jigmasters (501/99/500) only with bearings and 5:1 gears.
Thanks MarkT for adding this gear info that helps! So that is one reason the Newell 200 series was.is so popular, faster and better drags in a small light package! Got it! I am learning! Only 20 more years and I should be ups to speed! lol
Do we need more confusion here.....yup.
I could not find a 99 to fish with so I built a 3:1 one out of a Surfmaster 250.
Quote from: Keta on January 28, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
Do we need more confusion here.....yup.
;D ??? ;)
Quote from: Keta on January 28, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
I could not find a 99 to fish with so I built a 3:1 one out of a Surfmaster 250.
Wow! I have seen or heard of that one before
......adding yet more confusion :D :D
There is another "99" size reel that can be made with stock penn parts. A 99 size small senator can easily be made using a 2/0 or 3/0 senator. Add a 99 seat and 65 spool and posts and you have a 99 size senator. ;) ;)
AND if you want it with an aluminum spool, just use a 190 Seaboy spool. RUDY
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 31, 2016, 01:07:57 AM
......adding yet more confusion :D :D
There is another "99" size reel that can be made with stock penn parts. A 99 size small senator can easily be made using a 2/0 or 3/0 senator. Add a 99 seat and 65 spool and posts and you have a 99 size senator. ;) ;)
we need more pics of this reel please ;)
Sure thing, here are 2 of the 99 size senators. The 99 seat is the key to the build. Rest of parts are readily available and fairly inexpexnsive.
steelhead_killer,
The difference in the 4:1 and the 5:1 gears with a Jigmaster size(diameter) spool is less then 10". I have multiple "99" and standard Jigmaster sized reels. My Newell's started out at 5:1. My Cortez Conversion is 4:1. I changed one of my Newell's to 3.6:1 last year. It has a little more grunt when a heavy fish is on it. The 5:1 and 4:1 fish about the same. All of these reels are used mostly for live bait fishing open water. Not much structure to worry about a bigger fish getting into the rocks. If jigging, I would want the 5:1 gears.
Speedwagon2
Mike, that is some great detailed info, with some interesting local history tossed in. Pricesless !!
Ted
Ted, the more reels and reel parts you have around the more you can play mix and match with the posts, stands and spools to create combinations heretofore unmentioned and unthought of.
Sid
I highly recommend after spending countless $$ on parts, labor, time, effort, that you enjoy the fact you built it yourself...Put it on a shelf and then go fishing. I like my old 500 and maybe the new "99"
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/100_3638_zpsgupfjt8g.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/100_3638_zpsgupfjt8g.jpg.html)
(http://i743.photobucket.com/albums/xx76/fresnotim/100_3639_zpsrgn7m6n4.jpg) (http://s743.photobucket.com/user/fresnotim/media/100_3639_zpsrgn7m6n4.jpg.html)
BT
;D
It is NOT a 99 if it does not have a star. You go throw that new fangled thing somewhere that it won't desecrate that hot rodded 99 width Jigmaster.
Ron
Quote from: noyb72 on February 02, 2016, 03:28:46 AM
It is NOT a 99 if it does not have a star. You go throw that new fangled thing somewhere that it won't desecrate that hot rodded 99 width Jigmaster.
Ron
Can I please have a bigger spoon ;D
BT
You're phat enough already! ;D ;D
Ron
Tim, I also have a framed 99 and a Fathom 25nld2. The Fathom goes out on date night and the 99 sits home in the dark.
Quote from: MarkT on February 02, 2016, 05:43:16 AM
Tim, I also have a framed 99 and a Fathom 25nld2. The Fathom goes out on date night and the 99 sits home in the dark.
Exactly my point ;D
BT
Here is 500 jigmaster next to a 99 width jigmaster.
I love that silver clamp on that 99, where did you find that Ted?
Beautiful pair Max Doubt!
Ted - That's a match made in heaven.
Yes, both are nice, but that fully converted 99 is worth some bucks. Not easy finding one of the same...I'm Jealous.
I've told you guys earlier, I've seen some of Ted's parts boxes, this man could build anything.
Sal
Quote from: Aiala on March 04, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
Y'know, I started that thread as an egregiously clueless newbie; but with considerable advice/assistance from the AT experts and a LOT of patience, before long I was able to produce these 99 lovelies:
So to any/all AT newbies, please do NOT feel diffident or intimidated. If this ol' gal can still learn new tricks (so to speak... ahem ::) ) so can you!
Quote from: steelhead_killer on March 04, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
Because of your questions I ended up building this 99
I look forward to the both of your definitions of "what is a Penn 99" the next time someone poses that question...
Is it just a Silver Beach? Is it a certain size Jigmaster?? Can it be a combination??? I truly enjoy such a conversation because in this hobby we all enjoy, it can have different meanings to each of us.
Great thread all - thanks for kicking it off Aiala!
Cheers, Justin
Quote from: DaBigOno on March 07, 2016, 02:49:46 AM
Quote from: Aiala on March 04, 2016, 05:08:19 PM
Y'know, I started that thread as an egregiously clueless newbie; but with considerable advice/assistance from the AT experts and a LOT of patience, before long I was able to produce these 99 lovelies:
So to any/all AT newbies, please do NOT feel diffident or intimidated. If this ol' gal can still learn new tricks (so to speak... ahem ::) ) so can you!
Quote from: steelhead_killer on March 04, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
Because of your questions I ended up building this 99
I look forward to the both of your definitions of "what is a Penn 99" the next time someone poses that question...
Is it just a Silver Beach? Is it a certain size Jigmaster?? Can it be a combination??? I truly enjoy such a conversation because in this hobby we all enjoy, it can have different meanings to each of us.
Well, I think any reel that is 99 width can be classified as a form of a 99......
....just remember, no matter how you build it, a 113HL is always wider than a 99 ;D ::) ;D
What the heck ??? Is that Ted
Quote from: broschro on March 07, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
What the heck ??? Is that Ted
That is my Penn "black Jack" made by a total hack ;D
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 07, 2016, 11:22:52 PM
That is my Penn "black Jack" made by a total hack ;D
Come on Ted, give us a little more than that. Give us the run-down and more pics please :o
Well, I think any reel that is 99 width can be classified as a form of a 99......
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I don't know about that. A 99 width Jigmaster would use a 66 frame. That means a 112H, 66, 65, Albacore and Yellowtail Specials and reels like them, 3/0 Senators and I'm sure I've forgotten one or two would be 99s. I think we should stick to a 99 being a 99 and everything else being everything else.
Ron
Not disagreeing with you at all Ron. You're correct, the silver beach is the only true 99, but in the reel world we have more options....
"99" is also used as a reference to a width of a narrowed reel such as 113HN and 114HN,jigmaster 500, etc.
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 08, 2016, 03:14:35 AM
Not disagreeing with you at all Ron. You're correct, the silver beach is the only true 99, but in the reel world we have more options....
"99" is also used as a reference to a width of a narrowed reel such as 113HN and 114HN,jigmaster 500, etc.
But I would not call a 349 a 501 because they are the same width.... :D
Quote from: Keta on March 08, 2016, 03:19:22 AM
Quote from: Maxed Out on March 08, 2016, 03:14:35 AM
Not disagreeing with you at all Ron. You're correct, the silver beach is the only true 99, but in the reel world we have more options....
"99" is also used as a reference to a width of a narrowed reel such as 113HN and 114HN,jigmaster 500, etc.
But I would not call a 349 a 501 because they are the same width.... :D
That's cause guys from Oregon do things differently lol ;D ;D Hope you have a good halibut season this year Lee
Yarrrrr!
Quote from: noyb72 on March 08, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
Well, I think any reel that is 99 width can be classified as a form of a 99......
I don't know about that. A 99 width Jigmaster would use a 66 frame. That means a 112H, 66, 65, Albacore and Yellowtail Specials and reels like them, 3/0 Senators and I'm sure I've forgotten one or two would be 99s. I think we should stick to a 99 being a 99 and everything else being everything else.
Ron
[/quote]will the 112h stand fit the 65?
Yes, it's a 30-66 stand which is the same width for a 65, 66, 112h among others. The 30-66 stand is stronger & has an option for a rod clamp.
Gotcha anyone have one they want to sell?
Jamie
As stated already, the original 99 was a Silver Beach, similar to a Surf Master. It has smaller drags and lower gear ratio than a Jigmaster. I'll be kind and call it unexceptional.
Jerry Morris and the guys at Hermosa Tackle Box discovered that a conversion could be done to a Jigmaster to create a reel of the same size as the old Silver Beach. This was back in the late 60's. I got this story from Bob O who worked there at the time. Tunanorth tells the same story. The Newell kit showed up in '74 and had the aluminum spool, solid bars and base that made it stronger. The '99' converted Jigmaster is what most people think of as a '99'. That's why it commonly has the '99' in quotes. It's not an actual 99 but is the Jigmaster equivalent. The 332 was Newell's take on the Jigmaster conversion. Many reels these days are in this form factor like the Trinidad/Torium 20, The Daiwa Saltiga/Saltist 40's, etc.
Quote from: broschro on March 08, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
Quote from: noyb72 on March 08, 2016, 02:46:58 AM
Well, I think any reel that is 99 width can be classified as a form of a 99......
I don't know about that. A 99 width Jigmaster would use a 66 frame. That means a 112H, 66, 65, Albacore and Yellowtail Specials and reels like them, 3/0 Senators and I'm sure I've forgotten one or two would be 99s. I think we should stick to a 99 being a 99 and everything else being everything else.
Ron
will the 112h stand fit the 65?[/quote]
No, the 112H stand WILL NOT FIT a 65....the 112H seat has 3 mounting holes and is 3/8" wider and the 65 reel has 2 mounting holes. The 112H and 113H stands are exactly the same except for the stamped part number
If you're looking to put a clamp type seat on your 65, then it is a part number 66, as already mentioned.
The 66 stand is most commonly found on a 209,309,66
Ted
Ted, my 112h's have 30-66 stands and they have 2 mounting holes on each side.
The 113 & 113h use identical stands & have 3 holes on each side. (30-113)
Quote from: RowdyW on March 08, 2016, 08:59:28 PM
The 113 & 113h use identical stands & have 3 holes on each side. (30-113)
You're right Rudy, the stand I was referring to was the 112 stand, not the H model. The standard 112 3/0 tales a 3 hole stand and is wider than 112H. I forgot the 112H is a narrowed 112.
The standard 112 is the exact same seat as a 113 & 113H, just stamped with different number
Sorry for the confusion. Ted
:-\ OK the 112h stand will fit correct?
Correct! part #30-66.
Love them 99's. It's like a sickness, and the only cure is building another :D :D
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 28, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Love them 99's. It's like a sickness, and the only cure is building another :D :D
Ted
I give up! Just how long have you been collecting and building?
:o ???
Andy
He's only been at it about a month, Andy. ;D ;D ;D ;D Just kidding, I have no idea.
I have no intention of trying to compete with his collection ever. Just a couple of his models trump all mine together quality wise.
And he fishes too!
Quote from: steelhead_killer on August 28, 2016, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 28, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Love them 99's. It's like a sickness, and the only cure is building another :D :D
Ted
I give up! Just how long have you been collecting and building?
:o ???
Andy
About 9 months Andy. ;D ;D Randy Pauly gets the credit for many of those 99's, or at least some of the tougher components. :D
How else does a person find NOS accurate parts ?? Next on the list is a red 505 narrowed to 99 width....thanks to Randy Pauly. He is the dream maker for the "reel" world. ;)
Ted
Quote from: Maxed Out on August 28, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Love them 99's. It's like a sickness, and the only cure is building another :D :D
Ted
Dammit Ted I can't unsee this. picture ...I am slowly putting together a package to build out that gift you sent...
Remember that unheard-of pink 99 Accuframe Ted sent me? Well, he just sent me a matching rod clamp, can you believe it?? :D
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000864_zps5st32ma5.jpg)
Regrettably, though, Ted says it's such a unique reel now that I really shouldn't fish with it... drat. :(
Still, there's no downside to owning a one-of-a-kind colored 99... even if it is a shelfie. ;)
~A~
I'd have to fish it at least one time before it retires.
Quote from: Aiala on November 09, 2016, 11:08:06 PM
Remember that unheard-of pink 99 Accuframe Ted sent me? Well, he just sent me a matching rod clamp, can you believe it?? :D
(http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/ah207/ladyaialaAiala/P1000864_zps5st32ma5.jpg)
Regrettably, though, Ted says it's such a unique reel now that I really shouldn't fish with it... drat. :(
Still, there's no downside to owning a one-of-a-kind colored 99... even if it is a shelfie. ;)
~A~
Snap! A, you HAVE to put some pink Ande on and burn it in on your trip. THEN you can shelve it.
No surprise Aiala has the rarest 99 you ever laid eyes on. I think that clamp was born with that reel and somehow got separated along the way only to find it's way back home. You'll grow old and grey trying to duplicate that sweet 99.
Ted
Sweet reel, Aiala! That is right up your colorful alley. ;)
You need a handle grasp from Lou for that... it would be even more of a show stopper than it already is.
Only you could find that clamp, Ted 8)
Thanks for showing,
Dom
:o
Very Nice Aiala. ;)
Certainly not up to par with Aiala and her awesome 99......but here is another 99 in disguise, with stock 500s sideplates and stock Penn spacer bars.
Ted, have you figured out yet what the Penn part no. is for the spacer bars? They must be from another Penn reel. I'm very curious. Rudy
Only you could find one of those, Ted!... wonder if it was a reel Penn was entertaining to put in production with those spacer bars included like the 500.
Sweet find,
Dom
Spacer bars could be cut from the 500 if you have the tools, what amuses me is the spool.
Only Ted could have a 99 spool in red ::).
Gorgeous reel! ;)
Quote from: RowdyW on December 17, 2016, 10:57:23 PM
Ted, have you figured out yet what the Penn part no. is for the spacer bars? They must be from another Penn reel. I'm very curious. Rudy
Yes Rudy, the bars on this one come from a international 12H....both are the plain "backside" bars
That is cool, 99 bars that we didn't know about. Need to make an Albacore Special with the new SS base and those bars.
Ron
Ted is right.
I didn't even notice.
Thx Max fraken!
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/20161217_213730_zps8snm19ck.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/20161217_213730_zps8snm19ck.jpg.html)
Very clever Ted! It's amazing how many options are around to make a reel a "99"...it is definitely a popular size. I love the ol' Silver Beach 99. Some "99"s got lost in the shuffle, like this 309, a "99" with levelwind! 8)
(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/Reel/20161226_120204_zpsgtusr9ud.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/Reel/20161226_120204_zpsgtusr9ud.jpg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/Reel/20161226_115408_zpsvtmeztto.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/Reel/20161226_115408_zpsvtmeztto.jpg.html)(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p633/doen1/Reel/20161226_114004_zpsftdfbgoh.jpg) (http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/doen1/media/Reel/20161226_114004_zpsftdfbgoh.jpg.html)
LongBeach 99 , with low gears 2.5:1 .
LB60 with 65 spools and 99 seat/posts.
Thank you Randy Pauly for the Newell parts.
tone
.....yaaaawn, just another 99 jigmaster, but the custom acrylic Knob from Lou sets it apart from the rest 8) 8)
Ok, what are the bars? Original Jiggy or 980?
Hi Randy, good to have you around again, hope you are doing better.
The spacer bars are a stock part....Penn 12h international bars....both are the "plain" backside bars.
Just when you think you've seen every Jiggy imaginable.......another 99 comes along ;D ;D
That is crazy Ted, had to put my sunglasses on to take a closer look...very cool!
Sal
I was about to ask where Ted has been....now we know!
Ted... that's the baddest ugly reel ever seen.... you must be evil 8) 8) 8)
steve
That is nice . I love the raw metal look!
That reel is pretty awesome Ted.
The green handle seems a bit out of place though.
Just reviving this older posting to see what we've all been up to since Aiala this started 3 years ago. Lots of good info on this thread and hope to see a few recent 99 width builds from y'all. Let's see 'em !!
Here is a 99 jiggy, narrowed 3/0, and souped up seaboy. All are "99" width
Quote from: Maxed Out on April 02, 2020, 09:17:17 PM
Lots of good info on this thread and hope to see a few recent 99 width builds from y'all. Let's see 'em !!
Here are three recent "99" restos. The first one is a Monofil 26, and it's "99" wide so that counts as a "99" to me. Next is a Seaboy 190, also "99" width. Last is a genuine Silverbeach 99...the reel that started it all. It has steel gears, a 5-stack kit, Newell bars, 66 drag star, and a #24-12LT handle. 8)
Sweet builds guys!!