tony dubeck from penn has been trying to keep up with you guys. there is just too much going on. he is going to do his best to keep up with all the penn related traffic, but if you guys have a specific question, you can post it here and he will for sure see it. gentlemen, welcome!
Thanks Alan! We are here to help with any PENN technical questions or concerns. On this forum we will make announcements about PENN sponsored long range trips through Steve Carson, new product debuts, revision changes, events that will have the PENN Service Team making appearances, + + +.
Alan has created a great site and we are happy to be a part of it. My only request is no after-market modification questions, I will be no help there :D.
tony
Welcome Tony and Steve. You guys are in for it. I met Steve on one of the fishing trips in SF. I hope to meet Tony the next time I am in Philly to visit Sal. Dominick
met tony at the fred hall show in long beach last year. hope to see all the guys again next year in march.
Quote from: Penn on November 28, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
On this forum we will make announcements about PENN-sponsored long range trips through Steve Carson...
Excellent! Looking forward to it... :)
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A~
Hi All,
Looking forward to "speaking" with everyone.
Many thanks to Alan for creating this individual forum to get everything in one spot.
Steve
Sweet! Looking forwarding to following along and picking brains ;)
You guys should sponsor a trip here in the North East...I'd sign up in a heartbeat as I'm sure a few other members would.
All the luck!
Welcome aboard Tony and Steve, It will be nice having you here.
Tony, I hear you on no after market modifications questions, what do you do in the case of the Baja upgrades?
I'm thinking eventally you won't have much choice, but I might be wrong :-\.
Enjoy your stay gentlemen.
Sal
Thank you for making the board an even better place.
Welcome Tony and Steve, good to have you here......Bill, Sacramento Delta
Quote from: Penn on November 28, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
We are here to help with any PENN new product debuts.......
tony
bring us the mini Baja ;D .. sorry couldnt resist.
welcome aboard senores
Welcome and I look forward to reading the posts here. I still have a few stock Penns!
thumbs up Tony, class in session thank you
Welcome Guys!
Welcome Penn Guys!
I'm in the front row with my notepad and my mouth shut (uhh... some of the time ::))
I love Penn products.
Steve
Quote from: steelfish on November 28, 2016, 11:57:42 PM
Quote from: Penn on November 28, 2016, 05:10:20 PM
We are here to help with any PENN new product debuts.......
tony
bring us the mini Baja ;D .. sorry couldnt resist.
welcome aboard senores
Ha-Ha, a long-running theme on west coast forums.
Unfortunately, the sales level of the Baja Special/US Senator remains steady, but does not justify any additions.
Two years ago at ICAST when the US Senators were first shown, I took the opportunity to ask every single person [worldwide attendance] who looked at them what additional sizes should be added to the lineup, and "6/0" was the overwhelming winner in that very un-scientific poll, though that is not likely either.
It is definitely brought up in every product development meeting.
Quote from: Tunanorth on November 29, 2016, 01:18:08 AM
Ha-Ha, a long-running theme on west coast forums.
Unfortunately, the sales level of the Baja Special/US Senator remains steady, but does not justify any additions.
Two years ago at ICAST when the US Senators were first shown, I took the opportunity to ask every single person [worldwide attendance] who looked at them what additional sizes should be added to the lineup, and "6/0" was the overwhelming winner in that very un-scientific poll, though that is not likely either.
It is definitely brought up in every product development meeting.
thanks Steve, I knew you were recognize the mini Baja request
I understand that a 6/0 Baja size won over a Baja 3/0 size, being a strong reel you want to fight with the monsters of the deep and you need a bigger reel with the same proven strength, but you cannot deny it would be awesome to have a new smaller product with the classic resemblance of the senator family.
anyway, I will stop here, seeya on the board
Welcome guys.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 28, 2016, 10:28:58 PM
Welcome aboard Tony and Steve, It will be nice having you here.
Tony, I hear you on no after market modifications questions, what do you do in the case of the Baja upgrades?
I'm thinking eventally you won't have much choice, but I might be wrong :-\.
Enjoy your stay gentlemen.
Sal
Sal,
We did see it, the link was sent to our ENG Dept. Looks very nicely made.
tony
Thank you everyone for the warm welcome.
tony
Quote from: Penn on November 29, 2016, 12:54:51 PM
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 28, 2016, 10:28:58 PM
Welcome aboard Tony and Steve, It will be nice having you here.
Tony, I hear you on no after market modifications questions, what do you do in the case of the Baja upgrades?
I'm thinking eventally you won't have much choice, but I might be wrong :-\.
Enjoy your stay gentlemen.
Sal
Sal,
We did see it, the link was sent to our ENG Dept. Looks very nicely made.
tony
Tony, my point exacly, I got you talking on customs :)
I'm not sure you remember, bu I tried to get Penn on here for the past 3 years. What made you decide to come in now?
It doesn't really matter, I'm just glad you guys are here. :)
Sal,
I have been posting on this forum for the past year, it just gets hard navigating through all the different sub-forums looking for PENN questions I can assist with. Now you guys can come to me rather than me trying to find you :)
tony
Quote from: Penn on November 29, 2016, 03:17:44 PM
Sal,
I have been posting on this forum for the past year.
tony
Yes I know, but now looks like it's getting serious having Steve on as well :).
Glad to see you have a section in the forum here at AlanTani Tony. I'll definitely keep an eye out for useful info. I read a lot of your info over on Stripersonline where you have a section in the forums. I'm a rookie and novice at reel repair and modifications, but most of these guys over here are amazing. The innovations they come up with for Penn reels are fantastic. I've learned a ton since participating here. I hope to learn a ton more. Thanks for taking time to participate here. It's a comforting feeling to know if you have a problem with a Penn you can go straight to a guy who's in the know, and can get things done cause he works there. Thanks again for being here!
Tony, thanks for the quick turnaround on the CNC gear upgrade on my SSV4500. Came just in time for my Thanksgiving Day fall striper run excursion... Now cows yet, but the 4500 handled a bunch of overstuffed schoolies quite well!
Thanks for the kind words guys. We are here to help. The posts on SOL will continue as well.
tony
Quote from: swill88 on November 29, 2016, 01:16:37 AM
Welcome Penn Guys!
I'm in the front row with my notepad and my mouth shut (uhh... some of the time ::))
I love Penn products.
Steve
I love "USA-made" Penn products . . . However, the "Chinese-made" products, not so much !!!
Tight Lines !
So far, I have not seen an issue with any of the Chinese manufactured Penns I have purchased.
I am referring to 209's and Jigmasters primarily -- that I work on and routinely strip down for parts.
Most parts interchange just fine -- and in some cases, a few of the parts are of higher quality material than their US made counterparts.
When a company like Penn, Apple, Ridgid, etc. -- decide to manufacture products overseas -- they would be committing corporate suicide by lessening the quality of their products.
This is what I have found to be true with successful companies -- not necessarily true with knock-off firms -- or firms just in it for the fast buck.
I am grateful for Penn, also.
Just my opinions...
Best Always,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on January 30, 2017, 03:30:45 AM
So far, I have not seen an issue with any of the Chinese manufactured Penns I have purchased.
I am referring to 209's and Jigmasters primarily -- that I work on and routinely strip down for parts.
Most parts interchange just fine -- and in some cases, a few of the parts are of higher quality material than their US made counterparts.
When a company like Penn, Apple, Ridgid, etc. -- decide to manufacture products overseas -- they would be committing corporate suicide by lessening the quality of their products.
This is what I have found to be true with successful companies -- not necessarily true with knock-off firms -- or firms just in it for the fast buck.
I am grateful for Penn, also.
Just my opinions...
Best Always,
Fred
I'm finding it hard to understand why China is producing Penn reels. Is there not a patent on Penn name and design? I personally do not own any Penn reels that were not made in the US. and I would not perchance a Chinese product that I could buy in the US made by US manufactures. But that's me, I'm not telling anyone how to spend there money.
Joe
The Penn reels being produced in China are being produced for Penn not on their own. Penn is only "assembling" their higher end reels in the U.S. Most of the parts for Penn reels are produced in China. You are buying more China made items then you realize. Many items are produced in China and assembled or partialy assembled in the U.S. and labeled "Made in the USA". About the only thing that is not made in China is your food, and that comes from S.A., Mexico., and many other foriegn countries. You don't even buy your liquor from a U.S. company. Why not support an American company? The only way to be sure you go USA all the way is to make your own shoes & clothes & raise your own meat & vegetables. Don't drive your car it has foriegn made parts in it. Where was your computer made? Face it your thinking is out in right field. Rudy
You are right, Joe --
I too would prefer to buy only what is made in America -- but that is not practical or possible in most cases -- unless we really make most of what we use and consume ourselves.
Sitting here in my dining room -- as I look around...
My ipad made in China, by an American company that has its headquarters supposedly in Ireland -- why, corporate taxes are the least expensive for Apple.
My Panasonic TV is made in Taiwan, my Cuisinart coffeemaker in China, my Lands End and Arrow clothes are made in Vietnam, my shoes in the US, JC Penney's underwear -- who knows?, my cell phone is from China, my Toyota Tacoma was manufactured in Fremont, California (Toyota has 12 major manufacturing plants in the US, and two in Canada), my Subaru Outback was manufactured in Kentucky, and that is just a glance around the room and outside.
Dodge Diesels are made in Mexico -- and have been for over 24 years now. Ford has major plants in Mexico.
The banana I am eating is from Ecuador -- Dole. And it is a good banana.
Everything is mixed up across the globe.
As a consumers, we just have to try and hang on to the best values.
It all boils down to corporate survival and profits in order to stay in business and provide a return to shareholders.
Best Always,
Fred
Not directed to Joe, Rudy, or anyone else, but this post remind me of animal activits holding their signs in the middle of winter while wearing leather coats, boots and purses ::).
Cheers!
Quote from: foakes on January 30, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
You are right, Joe --
I too would prefer to buy only what is made in America -- but that is not practical or possible in most cases -- unless we really make most of what we use and consume ourselves.
Sitting here in my dining room -- as I look around...
My ipad made in China, by an American company that has its headquarters supposedly in Ireland -- why, corporate taxes are the least expensive for Apple.
My Panasonic TV is made in Taiwan, my Cuisinart coffeemaker in China, my Lands End and Arrow clothes are made in Vietnam, my shoes in the US, JC Penney's underwear -- who knows?, my cell phone is from China, my Toyota Tacoma was manufactured in Fremont, California (Toyota has 12 major manufacturing plants in the US, and two in Canada), my Subaru Outback was manufactured in Kentucky, and that is just a glance around the room and outside.
Dodge Diesels are made in Mexico -- and have been for over 24 years now. Ford has major plants in Mexico.
The banana I am eating is from Ecuador -- Dole. And it is a good banana.
Everything is mixed up across the globe.
As a consumers, we just have to try and hang on to the best values.
It all boils down to corporate survival and profits in order to stay in business and provide a return to shareholders.
Best Always,
Fred
Just to clarify, on PENN's "USA-built" models, all parts that are "reel parts", such as gears, sideplates, frames, etc, are in fact made here. Those parts that are "standardized machine parts" such as ball-bearings, screws, springs, etc, are purchased from industrial supply sources, and may be from a variety of countries [example, the BB's in Torque lever drags are German].
Am not sure, but are any reel manufacturers actually producing in-house their own ball-bearings, machine screws, etc?
I wasn't intending to get anyone's panties in a bunch. All the Penn reels I own are from 1950s or later, and I wasn't aware that Penn farmed parts out from China. As far as the other comments go for products made abroad. That is not up for discussion as far as I'm concerned.
Joe
Quote from: RowdyW on January 30, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Penn is only "assembling" their higher end reels in the U.S. Most of the parts for Penn reels are produced in China.
Please share where you heard this rumor from? We had a tour of 6 AT members come in last year and Fred Oakes at a separate time, ask anyone of them what they saw being manufactured in our building at the time, or better yet come visit for yourself the next time you are in the Philly area.
tony
This is why I love my Torqs. Made in the USA.
I'm not knocking where other reel manufacturers make their reels or parts. But I do love my Torqs, Penn SS and Z series spinners, my 113Hs, Jigmasters, and my new edition, a 146 squidder.
Quote from: Penn on January 31, 2017, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on January 30, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Penn is only "assembling" their higher end reels in the U.S. Most of the parts for Penn reels are produced in China.
Please share where you heard this rumor from? We had a tour of 6 AT members come in last year and Fred Oakes at a separate time, ask anyone of them what they saw being manufactured in our building at the time, or better yet come visit for yourself the next time you are in the Philly area.
tony
Thanks for setting the record straight Tony, and by the way I was one of the people that was supposed to come with the group but had to cancel for health reasons. I would love to pay a visit to the Philly factory.
Joe
Not sure if this is on topic, but... I got GREAT service from the Philly service center when I sent in my SSV reel for a gear upgrade. Sent my reel in and was able to confirm receipt with a CSR in Philly. A couple days later, I received a friendly call from the repair tech when the reel was done. I paid and they shipped same day. Total turnaround from when I sent the reel to when I received it was not more than a week. I'm in the Philly burbs, so standard shipping was quick too. Reel went in scuffed and with broken gears, and came back shinier and cranking smoothly with the CNC-cut gears. Thank you, Tony!
I'd like to add that when I sell vintage Penn reels, I always specify "made in the USA," as a selling point. I think (and hope) that Penn/Pure Fishing management is wise enough appreciate the value of AlanTani.com to their brand!
Quote from: Penn on January 31, 2017, 02:00:36 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on January 30, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
Penn is only "assembling" their higher end reels in the U.S. Most of the parts for Penn reels are produced in China.
Please share where you heard this rumor from? We had a tour of 6 AT members come in last year and Fred Oakes at a separate time, ask anyone of them what they saw being manufactured in our building at the time, or better yet come visit for yourself the next time you are in the Philly area.
tony
Tony, why are H2, L2, & the latest Jigmasters refered to as China reels? Are you saying that all Penn reels are manufactured and assembled here in the U.S.?
100% of the H2 and Jigmaster reels are manufactured and assembled overseas. My comment to you was based on this,
"Penn is only "assembling" their higher end reels in the U.S. Most of the parts for Penn reels are produced in China"
Our Internationals and Torques are what I consider "higher end" and I can assure you the majority of the components are made in Philadelphia or by local Vendors. As Steve noted earlier... bearings, screws, washers, etc. we purchase outside the States and we have always been forthcoming about this.
tony
Quote from: Decker on January 31, 2017, 04:51:35 PM
Not sure if this is on topic, but... I got GREAT service from the Philly service center when I sent in my SSV reel for a gear upgrade. Sent my reel in and was able to confirm receipt with a CSR in Philly. A couple days later, I received a friendly call from the repair tech when the reel was done. I paid and they shipped same day. Total turnaround from when I sent the reel to when I received it was not more than a week. I'm in the Philly burbs, so standard shipping was quick too. Reel went in scuffed and with broken gears, and came back shinier and cranking smoothly with the CNC-cut gears. Thank you, Tony!
I'd like to add that when I sell vintage Penn reels, I always specify "made in the USA," as a selling point. I think (and hope) that Penn/Pure Fishing management is wise enough appreciate the value of AlanTani.com to their brand!
Thanks for the kind words :)
tony
Tony, I wasn't refering to your high end reels only the ones that are the volume sellers. Maybe I should have sent it as two seperate messages.
If any of you get a chance to visit the Penn facility -- a few things will become readily apparent.
First, the pride taken in producing a World-Class product -- Penn could not keep up with the demand for Torq's, and Internationals -- even with extra hiring. Employees have been loyal and on site for 10-20-30 years and more. The skills involved in mass producing these products to the most stringent standards of excellence -- the operation of machines, brains, techniques, attention to the smallest detail -- are inspiring.
They also produce 12/0's & 14/0's in Philadelphia -- and more.
And to be able to strike a balance with production of very high quality reels in China -- and here in the US -- is amazing. The success of the end result is the true test -- and this has enabled Penn to stay at the top of their industry.
This is due to the availability of parts long after other manufacturers have discontinued not only the reel line -- but even availability of a $5 part that renders a $1000 reel inoperable --
The reliability and soundness of these capable reels.
The new products coming into the market -- along with a loyalty to the past in recognizing what works well.
A knowledgeable and approachable management -- that really takes care of its customers.
Tony, Tom, Steve, and many others are just some of the folks that make this a great Brand.
Pretty difficult to balance the best of the old -- with the best of the new -- all while maintaining high numbers, good service centers, and constantly and proactively doing R&D as part of their everyday business model. All while needing to produce a profit.
Profit is not a bad word -- quite the contrary -- it is the fuel that allows a good company to continue to prosper and stay in business for their customers.
We are grateful for Penn -- along with their products and employees.
Just my opinions...
Best,
Fred
Well said Mr. Oakes!
I'll admit I do own a handful of reels that are not Penn, but the vast majority are. And there are many!
Being able to turn out a great product, and at the same time be profitable in this day and age, are only the company's that are the very best at what they do.
Penn has and continues to be a leader in the fishing industry offering the best products at affordable prices.
Tony, you and the complete Penn family are to be commended for your hard work and dedication.
We appreciate what you do and I can assure you when I hit the water looking for the big girl's, you will only find Penn Reels on my boat!
Best regards, .. Lou
Nicely said..............Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on January 30, 2017, 01:45:16 PM
I'm finding it hard to understand why China is producing Penn reels. Is there not a patent on Penn name and design? I personally do not own any Penn reels that were not made in the US. and I would not perchance a Chinese product that I could buy in the US made by US manufactures. But that's me, I'm not telling anyone how to spend their money.
Joe
Hi, Joe,
To me, the answer is simple. Penn has outsourced production of all but their high-end reels ( Internationals, for example ) to China. Most reels are actually being manufactured in China with the "Made In The USA" claim coming from the fact that many reels are only "Assembled In The USA". I believe that Penn's low-cost reels may actually be Chinese reels that are "branded" for Penn ( color choices and slight trim / machining differences ).
Obviously, unless Penn wants to say that Chinese manufacturing is superior to USA manufactruing, this is to reduce production cost and maintain or increase profit margins.
Alan Hawk has shown this to be the case with many other companies, as well.
http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/rebdd.html (http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/rebdd.html)The reels in the pics below (2014) are identical, mechanically.
Tight Lines !
(http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/rebd/07.jpg)
(http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/rebd/08.jpg)
(http://www.alanhawk.com/blog/rebd/09.jpg)
That's pretty convincing Dave.
I've only bought one modern Penn. A cheap little Penn Fierce that looked much like ones in the photos. Used it once and it corroded inside and froze. Cleaned, re-lubed and used it again. Same result. The second time I opened it I didn't bother to reassemble and just threw all the parts in the trash.
It seems like they are trying to cash in on the name to make some quick bucks and keep the company afloat. You have to feel sorry for them if making a quality product in the US is no longer a viable business plan. But, if I did not have a fifty year personal history with Penn and the Fierce was my first reel what would be my impression of the company as a whole? Are they killing the goose that laid the golden egg?
-steve
tough crowd, huh, tony!!! ;D
Coming from a younger generation I can understand some of the apprehension of the older gents with a company moving overseas when it was at one time 'All American' but lets get real for a minute...a $50 - $100 Penn Spinning reel made in the United States? With hourly wages, healthcare costs and overhead that is impossible...especially with minimum wages going up and healthcare skyrocketing.
I, for one, think its awesome that they've kept SO MANY products being assembled in the U.S., understandably not every single part is made in the U.S. on these higher priced reels, but Tony was quite open about that a few posts back.
Walking through we were shown their new CNC machine, correct me if I'm wrong, but that was a $300,000 product investment into the company...that doesn't count training hours and 'Oops' costs of learning a machine...so lets say it was a $400,000 investment. That is flippin' awesome!...That goes beyond profits and accounting...that is forward thinking, forward process and forward engineering!
If you go back in time Penn had quite a few products made in Japan as well back in the 1980's.. the C series spinners and the Spincast reels.
I'll end with this, not everyone needs a $250 spinning reel...for freshwater scenarios a $25 - $40 spinner will do the trick fantastically for MANY years. Saltwater scenarios call for a different reel in a different price bracket. I have been very happy with my new Penn reels which have been made in the US as well as overseas. My SSV has been with me for about 5 years now with the factory gears and still is going strong!
I'm rambling, but you get my drift...lower price reels just can't be made in the U.S. Accurate reels are made in the U.S. but their cheapest conventional is $234 with only a AR bearing and no dogs...so they are "de-engineering" to save costs
and many think that it's not the right route..but they are doing what they have to do...folks want to spend less while getting the absolute best.
Have a nice evening all!
Quote from: oc1 on February 01, 2017, 08:58:26 PM
That's pretty convincing Dave.
I've only bought one modern Penn. A cheap little Penn Fierce that looked much like ones in the photos. Used it once and it corroded inside and froze. Cleaned, re-lubed and used it again. Same result. The second time I opened it I didn't bother to reassemble and just threw all the parts in the trash.
It seems like they are trying to cash in on the name to make some quick bucks and keep the company afloat. You have to feel sorry for them if making a quality product in the US is no longer a viable business plan. But, if I did not have a fifty year personal history with Penn and the Fierce was my first reel what would be my impression of the company as a whole? Are they killing the goose that laid the golden egg?
-steve
Steve,
A company named Haibo Fishing Reels makes the reels for the following companies ; Quantum, Penn, Fin-Nor ,Zebco, Rhino, Abu Garcia, Balzer , Shakespeare, Pinnacle and Revox.
( The ENGLISH page reads DIFFERENTLY than the Chinese page - Brands are listed here )
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/?lan=cn (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/?lan=cn)http://www.haibofishingreel.com/?lan=en (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/?lan=en)The Penn Fierce, Battle and Conflict appear to be rebranded Pflueger reels ( I wonder who actually makes the "Pflueger" reels ? )
http://forums.tackletour.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=56565 (http://forums.tackletour.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=56565)At any rate, I am virtually positive that Newell Brands owners of Jarden & PureFishing is behind the scenes on these actions !
http://purefishing.com/our-brands/ (http://purefishing.com/our-brands/)http://www.bassfan.com/docktalk_article/16949/report:-newell-makes-major-cuts-to-pure-fishing (http://www.bassfan.com/docktalk_article/16949/report:-newell-makes-major-cuts-to-pure-fishing)EXCERPTS:
(1) "According to an article in today's edition of The Outdoor Wire, Newell Brands has started to make sweeping changes to Pure Fishing, one of the fishing brands included in its massive acquisition of Jarden Corporation earlier this year."
(2) "Pure Fishing is the parent company of well-known fishing brands Berkley, Abu Garcia, Penn, Fenwick, Stren, Mitchell, Pflueger, Shakespeare, Spiderwire, among others."
(3) "The moves are cost-cutting measures as Newell looks to reduce Jarden's operating costs by as much as $500 million and comes at a time when Newell is set to announce additional acquisitions totalling $570 million (click here), According to The Outdoor Wire article, Newell may not renew any sponsorship agreements when they expire, including Pure Fishing's deal with B.A.S.S., which will expire next year."
(4) "The article also raises the possibility that Newell may eventually look to sell off some of the Pure Fishing brands despite positive sales results in the third quarter, according to Newell's quarterly report released in October."
END EXCERPTS :
"Is Newell Getting Ready to Dispose of Pure Fishing? "http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/231352 (http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/231352)Tight Lines !
Thanks, Dan --
Well stated...
As we sit at our computers -- we need to realize that although we think this is a large site (and it is the best in the world, IMO) -- We are still just a few thousand reel nerds -- who each have different opinions.
The vast majority of Penn's business is not targeted at us -- it is focused on the rest of the world who just wants to go fishing -- and cannot afford or justify a $1000 expense for a couple of reels and rods made in the US.
So I admire Penn for offering a compromise for us -- as well as the average Angling consumer.
Penn is part of a much larger Corporation -- and as such -- is required, in order to stay in business -- to attain certain profitability percentages -- based on ROI, wage expense, manufacturing expense, as well as a company growth percentage annually.
This is their livlihood -- and they are doing a good job of operating in the real world.
Just my opinions.
Best to All,
Fred
Do THESE look familiar ?
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=list&typeid=6 (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=list&typeid=6)
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=238 (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=238)
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=237 (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=237)
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=236 (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=236)
Tight Lines !
http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=209 (http://www.haibofishingreel.com/index.php?case=archive&act=show&aid=209)
(http://www.haibofishingreel.com/upload/uppic_1/20092916165472093.jpg)
Tight Lines !
I still love Penn reels after all I've read here, I am 70 years old and admittedly I am disappointed that all Penn reels are not made in the US. But as others have pointed out the other manufactures out source also. As far as I'm concerned I am happy that Tony has offered his knowledge and support to us ( the Alan Tani members).
Joe
I don't see anything wrong with the Chinese made reels.In fact they are using more stainless steel instead of brass & chrome plated brass that pits & corrodes. They have also replaced the brass screws with ss screws which are stronger. On the Senators & Special Senators The only weak point that I see is the end of the gear sleeve which is hollow & has a nut instead of the H style with a screw to support the inside of the sleeve. The H2 style is more prone to shearing off in the handle area. But a cure for that is to install an H style sleeve in brass or ss with a screw for the handle. Rudy
Quote from: alantani on February 01, 2017, 09:17:24 PM
tough crowd, huh, tony!!! ;D
It should be noted that the PENN "Applause" is a non-USA market product. Both the European and "Southern Hemisphere" [SA, NZ, Au] business units have considerable leeway to offer products for their own market needs.
Also, having been in the tackle industry since 1969, it is indeed true that the hardcore members of this site are very atypical of the angling public as a whole.
At the lower end of the scale, by far the most important consideration for most anglers is price.
If you show them a reel with a $700 price tag, they are aghast, and wonder if that includes a boat.
However, those same anglers will not settle for a generic reel just because it hits a price they can afford. They still demand performance features like light weight, high drag numbers, fast gear ratios, etc, etc.
That dictates offshore build, period.
PENN makes about 50 current reel SKU's in the USA. With spinning reels specifically, the US-built "Z" series spinning reels are about $199 retail. Check the pricing of any other US-built spinner, or for that matter, any actual "made in Japan" spinner; you won't find a lot under $500.
Quote from: RowdyW on February 02, 2017, 01:17:58 AM
I don't see anything wrong with the Chinese made reels.In fact they are using more stainless steel instead of brass & chrome plated brass that pits & corrodes. They have also replaced the brass screws with ss screws which are stronger. On the Senators & Special Senators The only weak point that I see is the end of the gear sleeve which is hollow & has a nut instead of the H style with a screw to support the inside of the sleeve. The H2 style is more prone to shearing off in the handle area. But a cure for that is to install an H style sleeve in brass or ss with a screw for the handle. Rudy
Interesting.. never really yook a close look at these.
I can confirm that the Penn Battle, Sargus, Fierce, and so on have the same drive train as the Pfueger reel. I don't remember the exact model Pflueger reel it was. I used the Penn main and pinion gear to repair the reel and took pictures. They are on another iPad.
Now the Penn reel had other metal parts while the Pflueger reels were plastic.
They may share parts but the Penn used better material.
I posted the reel on the Stripers Online forum a while back. Here is the link if it will work.
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/665986-what-reel-is-this/
Keith
Quote from: handi2 on February 02, 2017, 10:54:14 PM
I can confirm that the Penn Battle, Sargus, Fierce, and so on have the same drive train as the Pfueger reel. I don't remember the exact model Pflueger reel it was. I used the Penn main and pinion gear to repair the reel and took pictures. They are on another iPad.
Now the Penn reel had other metal parts while the Pflueger reels were plastic.
They may share parts but the Penn used better material.
I posted the reel on the Stripers Online forum a while back. Here is the link if it will work.
http://www.stripersonline.com/surftalk/topic/665986-what-reel-is-this/
Keith
Hi, Keith,
The Pflueger Infusion may be the reel you're trying to recall . . .
http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/sargu8.html (http://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/sargu8.html)EXCERPT :When I first saw the Sargus, it looked quite familiar, then something flashed in my head; the Pflueger Infusion! They are not just alike, they are actually the exact same reel inside out, only one dressed in Penn colour schemes and the other in Pflueger's.
But is it really a Pflueger? Absolutely not. Not even a Penn. Pflueger effectively vanished when the company was acquired by Shakespeare in 1965, and Penn vanished years ago when it was sold to a conglomerate that mainly focuses on lower cost production and maximum profit regardless of such things as a brand's character. Those reels are now made in China by contractors who don't care if the reel is going to be called a Penn, a Pflueger, a Mitchell, a Shakespeare, or an Abu Garcia, all are brands that are now owned by the same conglomerate. Gone are the days when my father used to call Penn for spare parts and hear a familiar voice who in turn recognises my old man and asks him if little me has been hooked on the sport yet.
END EXCERPT :Tight Lines !
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10227.0 (http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=10227.0)
Man I'll say this mas been an education so far. What is next?
Joe
Quote from: Reel 224 on February 03, 2017, 03:31:58 AM
Man, I'll say this has been an education, so far. What is next?
Joe
Joe,
Some things in life are meant to remain mysteries . . .
Be careful what you wish for, you might get it - LOL !
Tight Lines !
True so true.
Joe
Hello to the Penn University crew!! I have a question about upgrading Penn Jigmasters that I have.
The first is a 500 S, red anodized spool, rarely fished: Tiburon doesn't have a frame & spool kit that will fit it (looking to go to a narrow frame with ~12-15lb braid, fished on a medium action Ugly Stick). Anyone know of another company that can help with this, and how about internal upgrades?
The second is a No. 500, with the take-down screw on the right side and a bakelite spool: does anybody have a narrow frame & spool kit; can I safely upgrade the internals; any idea how old this one might be?
Thanks.
PSTNHED, you are under the wrong topic. You need to address your question to Tiburon. They have the frames & spools to fit 500 & 501's. After market parts are not for the Penn Company to deal with. Try the Want to Buy section, the Jigmaster section, or the sellers section under Vintage Offshore Tackle (Randy).