Since Tiburon frames are hard to come by here in europe (read: noone ships overseas), we may have to design and have our own frames cut.
At the moment I am investigating the possibillity of getting them cut in a low cost/high tec country. Havent got any price yet, but he said I am going to be plesantly surprised.
Well, here is the first design attempt.
The Vega frame for the 113HLW reel.
Better renderings of the frame.
This model can be adjusted for the standard size 113H reel if anyone can tell me the distance between the inner rings.
BTW, It can be adjusted to fit narrow reels too, if anyone can tell me the distance between inner rings, or the flange on the side plates.
Colors? Not decided yet.
Rod clamp will be about the same as Tiburon or the Penn composite, but made from aluminium.
Not sure about the foot. Stainless steel or aluminium?
It will be a tight fit, so it can't be twisted or ripped off. Well, it can be ripped off, but then you have to break the rod clamp and still be able to hold on to the rod. I think the last on will be difficult.
The width is 2.437" measure between inner chrome rings
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 03, 2015, 12:41:40 PM
The width is 2.437" measure between inner chrome rings
The standard width reel I suppose.
Thanks.
Yes, that's the standard
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on January 03, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Yes, that's the standard
Great!
Here are the standard width version.
A new rendering of the 113HLW version below.
the front bar looks a little too high. remember that the line will take a downward angle when it runs from the spool to the first guide. you don't want the line to hit the front cross bar when you get the bottom wraps. we had a problem with one run of charter special spools. otherwise, it looks great!!!!!!
That looks pretty darn sweet. If it's affordable I'll definitely be a buyer.
Now, If we could only get one made for a LB 60 we would be talking high demand with zero competition, seeing as how there are a few million LB 60's in use out there and absolutely no aftermarket frame available for it ...........same frame would work for a 2/0 as well.
Ted
Quote from: alantani on January 03, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
the front bar looks a little too high. remember that the line will take a downward angle when it runs from the spool to the first guide. you don't want the line to hit the front cross bar when you get the bottom wraps. we had a problem with one run of charter special spools. otherwise, it looks great!!!!!!
Thanks for the tip. The front bar is exactly horizontal to the center of the spool. I may make this a bit lower. No problem.
On the 113HLW, the front frame post is at exactly the same height as this frame., maybe even a bit higher, since the top edge of my design is at the center of the screws, but the Penn half frame is a few millimeters higher.
New versions coming up. Front edge lowered to 5 degrees below center. I think the line will clear this even at the last windings on the spool.
A quick check reveals that if the first ring/guide on the rod is at least 380mm from the reel and at least 10mm high, the line WILL clear the front of the frame. I don't think the first ring/guide on the rod is closeer than 38cm or 14" or lower than 1/2 inch, so this will work.
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 03, 2015, 05:53:52 PM
That looks pretty darn sweet. If it's affordable I'll definitely be a buyer.
Now, If we could only get one made for a LB 60 we would be talking high demand with zero competition, seeing as how there are a few million LB 60's in use out there and absolutely no aftermarket frame available for it ...........same frame would work for a 2/0 as well.
Ted
It is no problem to scale this down to the Long Beach 60 / senator 2/0 size.
Just send me a shoddy looking reel so I can take some measurements. :-)
I think this will be slick. However, I have to wonder how much demand there will be: Unless the frames are very cheap, it would make more sense to sell you old Senator and buy a new US Senator that already comes with an aluminum frame, better free spool, more drag, etc.
Quote from: akfish on January 03, 2015, 07:09:53 PM
I think this will be slick. However, I have to wonder how much demand there will be: Unless the frames are very cheap, it would make more sense to sell you old Senator and buy a new US Senator that already comes with an aluminum frame, better free spool, more drag, etc.
To many people, the cost isn't an object as long as it isn't extremely costly. They just want to customize and use their reel/bike/car/whatever.
I like that way of thinking. Buying a new item doesn't always make me happy, but making my old gadget better is always something that makes me happy.
So sell my old senator? No, it won't happen!
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 03, 2015, 05:53:52 PM
That looks pretty darn sweet. If it's affordable I'll definitely be a buyer.
Now, If we could only get one made for a LB 60 we would be talking high demand with zero competition, seeing as how there are a few million LB 60's in use out there and absolutely no aftermarket frame available for it ...........same frame would work for a 2/0 as well.
Ted
I have been looking at parts lists for the LB 60 and senator 111, 112.
It seems that the Senator 111 and 112 are the same diameter, but different width.
I can't find that the LB 60 share the inner rings with the Senators, so I can't be sure they are the same diameter and the same screw pattern.
I don't have the width of that reel either.
Can someone inform me about the width of the reels between the inner rings and the diameter of the rings and spool?
I am able to modify this frames to fit many reels without too much work.
Here is a model of the Long Beach 60 frame.
The screw holes for the original foot is incorrect, but I have no reel to measure them from.
Put me down for a half dozen of those LB 60 frames. That'll be enough to get me started.
Quote from: Max Doubt on January 04, 2015, 05:55:43 PM
Put me down for a half dozen of those LB 60 frames. That'll be enough to get me started.
That is noted.
I have to do measurements on a real reel before ordering.
Does anyone have a reel that I can borrow, or a shoddy reel I can buy?
Heck yes, I would absolutely send you a useable penn 60 that you can have, and fish after you're done with it.. Shoot me a PM with your address and I'll get the ball rolling. I'll even pay postage.
Ted
Some pretty inexpensive units currently on eBay, but who knows what it'd cost to ship to Norway... ???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Penn-No-60-Long-Beach-Made-In-The-U-S-A-/271728855582?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f444d4a1e
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Estate-Find-Penn-60-Long-Beach-Deep-Sea-Fishing-Reel-/201253418633?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2edba37689
~A~
X2 to what Ted said, I've got a mess of them if you need a prototype or guinea pig!
- G.B .
Quote from: Islandgypsy on January 04, 2015, 11:30:46 PM
X2 to what Ted said, I've got a mess of them if you need a prototype or guinea pig!
- G.B .
If you got wider reels, or other penn reels that may deserve an aluminium frame, please ship them to me and I will try to get some frames cut for a reasonable price.
This is what a tricked out Senator 112 may look with custom parts and a new frame.
Mr. Solem, have you considered fabricating custom side plates as well as frames? The thing is, ever since Accurate, JVariance and Lee Pro stopped making them, reelheads are frantic to get hold of any leftovers, and are paying crazy prices (myself included). Maybe there's still enough of a demand to make it worthwhile? :)
~A~
Quote from: Aiala on January 05, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
Mr. Solem, have you considered fabricating custom side plates as well as frames? The thing is, ever since Accurate, JVariance and Lee Pro stopped making them, reelheads are frantic to get hold of any leftovers, and are paying crazy prices (myself included). Maybe there's still enough of a demand to make it worthwhile? :)
~A~
That is an idea that has spun around inside my head for a while.
Which sideplates are most interesting? Once I have established a good connection with a CNC cutting company, there are almost no limits for what I can draw up and have cut.
Trond
Hi Trond, how about Jigmaster 500 & 501 plates?
Quote from: RowdyW on January 05, 2015, 11:23:20 PM
Hi Trond, how about Jigmaster 500 & 501 plates?
I agree with Rowdy, because the same plates could be used for a "99", a 506, and a 505, which would make them very versatile. Also, I know that Black Pearl's double-dogged bridge can fit because I have two of them installed in my Accuplated Jigmasters.
And, if they were offered in an assortment of colors, like Accurate did, that would be an added incentive to potential buyers. :)
~
A~
Quote from: Aiala on January 05, 2015, 11:58:07 PM
Quote from: RowdyW on January 05, 2015, 11:23:20 PM
Hi Trond, how about Jigmaster 500 & 501 plates?
I agree with Rowdy, because the same plates could be used for a "99", a 506, and a 505, which would make them very versatile. Also, I know that Black Pearl's double-dogged bridge can fit because I have two of them installed in my Accuplated Jigmasters.
And, if they were offered in an assortment of colors, like Accurate did, that would be an added incentive to potential buyers. :)
~A~
Good idea! Now I have to buy a Jigmaster 500, a 501 and the high speed jigmasters. :-)
Getting them in different colors is no problem. The coloring is a separate part of the anodizing process at the end, so getting 3 or 4 colors is no problem.
I am looking into making spools also. No big deal drawing them up.
If I make spools and frames, you can have the reels in almost any width you want. :-)
Image of reel with alu side plates coming up in few minutes. Rendering takes some time. :-)
Quote from: Aiala on January 05, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
Mr. Solem, have you considered fabricating custom side plates as well as frames? The thing is, ever since Accurate, JVariance and Lee Pro stopped making them, reelheads are frantic to get hold of any leftovers, and are paying crazy prices (myself included). Maybe there's still enough of a demand to make it worthwhile? :)
~A~
I had sideplates for the 112 reel drawn up, so I conveted those to ringless alu-plates. Internals not complete yet, but you get the idea.
Quote from: trond_solem on January 06, 2015, 12:56:57 AM
I had sideplates for the 112 reel drawn up, so I converted those to ringless alu-plates. Internals not complete yet, but you get the idea.
Indeed I do... just beautiful!! :o
~
A~
Trond, I viewed the photos on your web site. The photos of the aurora borealis are spectacular. I understand that the aurora is always viewable in that area of Norway. Is that true? Dominick
Quote from: Dominick on January 06, 2015, 03:38:27 AM
Trond, I viewed the photos on your web site. The photos of the aurora borealis are spectacular. I understand that the aurora is always viewable in that area of Norway. Is that true? Dominick
Not completely true. :-)
During wintertime, when we get some darkness at night, there is some aurora visible far north almost evey night is the weather permits viewing. The last nights there have been very active auroa over most parts of the country, but the heavy cloud cover here wont let any light through.
In the summer, we don't have dark enough sky so the aurora are visible. Midsummer the sun is down for less than an hour here, and a bit further north, it is never down. I.e. midnight sun.
We will need an aurora KP index of about 1000 to make it visible then, but then again you probably will need a space suit to survive. :-)
Hello Trond, don't have any wider Long Beaches at the moment. PM me if you would like me to send a 60 LB for your project. -G.B.
I have a long beach 67 with a warped spool i can send over..
Quote from: crackerman on January 06, 2015, 05:32:01 PM
I have a long beach 67 with a warped spool i can send over..
That will help.
Since one of the machinists I am talking to suggested a simplified design to keep the cost down, I had to do some redesign.
Still looks quite nice to me.
Trond, how is the alum. Frames going? Have you started production yet ?
Yup, I'm curious myself. Been quietly watching in anticipation.
X3
I am still trying to get a CNC shop to make them at a reasonable cost.
The problem seems to be that I live in Norway and they think we all are billionares and they yank up the price.
I have got some quotes that are on par with the price of a new Tiburon frame, but I need to get the cost per piece well below that to make it happen.
If someone knows a CNC machinist that can make them, please put me in contact with them.
-Trond
Quote from: trond_solem on January 03, 2015, 06:27:24 AM
Since Tiburon frames are hard to come by here in europe (read: noone ships overseas), we may have to design and have our own frames cut.
At the moment I am investigating the possibillity of getting them cut in a low cost/high tec country. Havent got any price yet, but he said I am going to be plesantly surprised.
If you make these frames , PLEASE ENLARGE the "FEET" of the Reel Foot . . . NEWELL, TIBURON, and ACCURATE parts all have UNDERSIZED Reel Feet ! ! !
It would also be GREAT if the Reel Foot were STAINLESS STEEL, instead of ALUMINUM ! ! !