Hello,
I wish everyone a great 2017 !!
It's been awhile, since I was on the forum last.
All my Shimano and Avet's seem to be holding up OK
No big problems...
but after I cleaned this JX6.0:1, I can't get it to freespool correctly.
I've had this same issue before with another reel about it being free'er in BAIT then FREE.
I've tried to change the lever to the three positions but it just won't work right.
Any help ??
captbruce
I've been a Key West fishing guide for 40 years.
i had one reel that stumped me for months. it turned out that there was corrosion under the "glued on" drag washer that lifted up the carbon fiber so it always rubbed against the pressure plate. you may have to check under the washer. :-\
Any chance the belleville washers are in a different configuration? Sounds like it could be a spacing issue.
I just read the part about it being freer with the lever engaged. Check out the schematic and make sure all of the parts are in the correct order that go under the preset knob. Check to see if the lever, cam, and sideplate are seated.
Thanks, guys,
After fumbling with the preset and the lever for an hour, with no help, I figured I'd have to take the reel apart again.
No Big Deal...
Great Reel. It has caught ALOT of fish.
I'll check closer for corrosion under the fixed drag washer and the bellevue arrangement, if I remember... there are a few options, as to how they can be installed, I used Avets schematic (())(( Although I do remember seeing (on this site) other arrangement that adds slightly more drag ??!!
but there is a chance I did put it back wrong.
I'll do it today.
Thanks, again, and keep up the good work.
captbruce
Did you loose the shim washers that go between the spring and the bearings in the spool and brake plate?
Here is a tutorial on the JX 6:1 reel, take a look at it and see if there's any differences from your reel.
http://alantani.com/index.php?topic=9313.0
josa1
Wow...
That was a great tutorial on the MX.
Thanks for sending the link.
I must be doing something wrong on the re-assembly cause I have another MXL6,
that is free'er in the BAIT setting than it is in the FREE setting.
My problem is... I have to get ready to go back to Key West to fish the 2017 Season, and these reels must be packed, for the trip.
Each Summer when I come to my Sebastian, Fl. home, I clean and oil about 20 reels that I used the previous season.
Most are Shimano Trinidad, Torium and a few Calcutta. I still used the a few Bantam Mag SG's from the 1980's. I have a collection of 30-40 old Bantam reels in a box just to keep 5 or so working. every year. they are a great reel for ladies or kid's.
With bearings to replace the old bushings and the Smooooth Drags (Carbontek) they are work Horse for the 15# test "Plug Division", where the reel can't hold more then 250 yards of 15# with a levelwind and "NO BAIT" can be used just Plugs and Jigs. There are spec's on the rod too... Not to exceed 7', and the butt is 12" max. and the foregrip 4" max. true "Plug Casting".
I sent Alan, a picture of my work bench full of 40 or so Shimano and Avet reels about 3 years ago, and he sent me a wrench.
It's still hanging on a hook, within easy reach.
Thanks Alan.
Thanks to all and have a great 2017 !!
captbruce
Anyway...
I will take the reels back apart in KW, and find out where I went wrong
Here's the picture
Did you remove the cam behind the lever when you serviced the reels? If so, you may have put it back on incorrectly.
AK,
The cam's in Avet reels are lightly pressed into the drag lever arm. So unless you tap/press it out of the lever you will not have the issue your talking about. Also, with the shape of the cam and the drag lever the cam can only be pressed/tapped back into place the correct way if ever removed.
The pics are gone (different photo sharing site than I use now) that showed the South Florida cam I installed into my JX 6/3 but went back to the stock cam. The reason I bring this up is the way the cam goes into the drag lever only way it can work. Most ld reels have their cam removable which can cause the issue of not being seated correctly but unless you press out the Avet cam you should not run across this. And, if you do press it out it will only fit back into the lever the correct way.
If the freespool was fine before the service and the spool and washers were taken off the shaft during the service my bet is there is something wrong in the beleville/washers stack or a spool bearing is either bad or not seated correctly.
If the beleville washers did come off the shaft make sure they go back like this on the LX and JX non Raptor line of reels.
))(())
I played around with the belivelle washers in just about every order and for me the only way to get the correct freespool was with the stock config.
i work on lots of Avets. The piece I am referring to may not be called the "cam." It is a silver colored piece that fits on the right side plate beneath the lever. That piece can be removed and may be put on incorrectly. This may not be the problem, of course, but it could be.
It is the Cam Bill. Mark is right about the Belleville not being in the correct order, or some are not doing theirs job. I will also say that you might be correct as well, the cam when not properly seated could cause problems with freespool.
AK,
What you and I are talking about as the cam is the same thing. Part number 29 on Avet's schematic, called the female cam.
In every Avet I have been into that part is snug into the drag lever, not tight but is needs some work to get it out of the lever arm.
I just took off the lever on my JX to show some pics.
Here is the lever with the "female cam" installed.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/IMG_0678_zpsx7t1jsmj.jpg)
Here is the backside of the lever with the cam installed and as you can see even with the lever off and upside down the cam stays in place and does not fall out of the lever.
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag355/SoCalAngler1/IMG_0680_zpso3sgv2z5.jpg)
I chose not to press out the cam but in all of the Avet reels I have been into the cam snugly fits into the lever. Not very tight but it does need to be pushed off the lever. Also, if I did show the cam out of the lever with the two pieces apart you would be able to see that how the cam and lever mate together. These two parts will only fit together in a way that the "female cam" works correctly with the lever. If anyone tried to put them on a reel with the incorrect fit between the two you would never be able to get the lever onto the reel or you would notice something is very wrong.
Looks like I had the wrong reel:
http://schematics.planetseafishing.com/downloads/avet/jx6-0-1spd.pdf
Thanks to you all for your input.
I did not remove the "female cam".
And I may be looking at the wrong schematic too.
This reel is stamped:
SN#JX6.0R-10093
as I remembered it has 6 bellevue washers and has NO Teflon washers at the lever.
These last two AVET's are still not packed yet.
I will try to make time to look inside again, before I go to Key West
The JX6.0 won't "totally" freespool at all and the MXL6 is 'totally" free in the BAIT setting, but not as free in FREE setting.
When you go to FREE the spool shifts to the left a bit.
captbruce
any chance the pinion gear is installed incorrectly/backwards?
tight lines!
Check the belleville washers first if you did take the spool off the shaft, these washers are on the spools shaft not on the lever side.
As far as the "bait setting" on Avet reels you need to apply enough drag at strike to get this to work. If you want to use this setting you need to set your drag around 7-8 lbs at strike. This will give you enough drag pressure where the drag will start to work when you have the reel set on the bait setting.
I don't know what lb test you use on your MX reel but you should really not set the drag over around 10 lbs at strike (on the MX I'd probably go a little lighter say 7-8 lbs). Thats why these reels are good to fish up to 30 lb test. I use my JX for 40 lb test topshots and set my reel at 9-10 lbs of drag at strike. This way if I need or want more drag I can move the lever past the strike setting for more drag but be careful if you do this because if you move the lever all the way to full you will be over the 33% of the lines breaking strength.
With Avet and most other LD reels I set my drag around 1/3 of the lines breaking strength at strike. This way if I need more drag I can move the lever past strike for increased pressure but on most reels when you go past strike the drag ramps up very quickly so be careful. If I want less drag I don't push the lever all the way to strike. Setting up my ld reels this way I know where the 1/3rd of my lines breaking strength is set on the reel.
Alto, I just went here for the part number
http://www.avetreels.net/parts/jx-series/jx-60.html
The spool should shift to the left when moving to freespool.
Both reels sound like they need to have the spacong along the shafts adjusted.
First place to look is the Belleville stack. Modifying from the stock configurations can require shimming to maintain spacing. I would decrease the stack height on the first reel, and increase it on the second. These reels have tight tollerances, and a 0.2-0.4mm change here is significant. Bellevilles arranged ()() take up much more space then those arranged (()). You can order shims (i.e. thrust washers), and new Bellevilles from Avet. Tue final tuning if the reel can require dissasembling/reassembling the reel multiple times. Also make sure you bearings (especially the pinion bearing are clean, properly lubed, and show no signs of roughness when you apply a side load and turn it. Replace any that have felt roughness when cleaned. The drag washers also should be ckeaned with brwak cleaner, rubbed with a clean cloth, lubed with Cal's, and wiped clean during the service.
Also make sure the spool shadt is straight and has no burrs. It should move freely through all of the bearings/parts it passes through.
Keep us posted on your progress.
John
Quote from: SoCalAngler on January 10, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
Alto, I just went here for the part number
http://www.avetreels.net/parts/jx-series/jx-60.html
Got it Mark, thanks!
All good stuff.
Thanks.
I did change the Bellevue stack, thinking I'd get more drag.
I will change it back to original.
I didn't think about the tolerances.
I have 40# Power Pro, on the JX and 30# PP on the MXL.
I will try to check inside, on both reels, but I am really pressed for time.
I am leaving this weekend, for Key West but I will bring these two reels with me if I can't get them fixed before I leave, I will do it in KW.
I love the reels,
I worked on a MXL6/3 (I think that's the correct)
And I got it to free spool for almost 2 minutes, just by Holding the reel on the edge of the bench and spinning the handle by hand and chopping the reel out of gear and timing it with my watch.
I was AMAZED !! It wouldn't stop spinning...
I thought maybe I could go back in the kitchen and pour a cup of coffee and it would still be spinning when I returned.
I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me.
Of course that much free spool in the wrong hands can spell disaster also.
I have some pictures of "back lashes" that ultimately had to be taken off the reel with the help of a razor.
I tell the customer when THEY di it it's a "Back-Lash"... when I do it it's a "Professional Over-Run"...
Thanks, again guys.
I look forward to seeing the post, when I check my email.
captbruce
Capt,
Since you did change the belleville washer stack I'm 99.9% sure when you change it back all will be well.
When I went to the South Florida cam in my JX I was trying to lessen the drag ramp up when moving the lever past strike toward full. The ramp up before strike with the new cam was gradual and smoother than the stock cam but when I moved the lever past strike I got 40% ramp up of drag. With the stock cam it was only 20%. I must of changed the belleville stack 15 different ways between the two different cams trying to smooth this out with no luck. That is why I went back to the stock cam, the 20% ramp up I can live with but 40% is way too much IMO. Changing the stack really did nothing but give me headaches until I went back to the stock config.
I don't know what you will be targeting on your trip but I have caught many sailfish, marlin, dorado and tuna with my JX drag setup the way I stated earlier. The pic in my Avatar is of a 75 lb grade bluefin caught on the JX from a anchored boat and the reel handled the fish fine. During the battle not once did I need to push the lever past the strike setting for more drag.
Edit: On my JX I run around 300 yards of 60 lb braid and fill the rest of the spool with 40 lb mono. I think I have around 75 yards on mono on top but not sure. I hate casting braid and as you know over runs can be a issue with Avets. If I happen to get a backlash it is in the mono or if I need to cut some of the mono out do to fish rub or boat rub I still have plenty on mono left. This way I can cut out many yards before I need to change toppers.
Good luck on your trip.
OK !! I'm back ib Key West.
I got here Sat morning and had no "Inter-Web", but I did have TV so I could watch the NFL Play-Off's.
but while I was sitting around I took both reel apart and BOTH of them had the Bellevue stack all messed-up.
And I don't even drink anymore !! and have no one to blame but myself !!
Anyway...
The both free spool nicely, but at the preset I like there is not much difference between FREE and BAIT, but thank goodness it has an sturdy clicker.
If I go up one more click on the preset, it has a better BAIT setting but the STRIKE drag is Way too much, for me and the FULL is really to tight for most of my clients.
I don't know if I mentioned that the Avet's (or any reels with braided line) are not my day to day choices and are reserved for me and a few select customers.
I am not a big fan of Braided line, for a few reasons...
Don't get me wrong BRAID is fantastic, for a certain niche, of fishing.
But for day-in, day-out I use Ande Monofilament, and a medium taper rod, for the most part, for my customers.
Thanks to you guys, for being there when I needed you.
Keep up the good work and have a Great 2017 !!
captbruce
Those Avet's have a pretty steep cam on them. Once you get to a certain point, the drag jumps up.
Nothing wrong with mono, less headaches and easier to spool. If I ran a charter, I'd probably want to move away from braid too.