Hi folks!
I've never used the Yamaha grease before, but today I went to the local Yamahadealer to buy some. They only had a tube called Yamalube Lical Grease. I asked if it was the blue marine grease. They told me that it was the right grease, but it had a new beige colour. They didn't know why Yamaha changed colour on it? But I didn't buy it. But they were nice and gave me a little sample. Could it be right that it is the same as the blue grease?
Yamaha Marine Grease is still blue. Marine Grease is for use in saltwater & is resistant to salt water. Rudy
I see in Western Australia, they are now selling a green grease, I think it is processed in New Zealand, it had something to do with the trouble of transporting the original around the World, when the covid restictions were on. I really think if its not blue, dont buy it, good luck, cheers Don.
what's "LICAL" ?
is it lithium grease, rather than "marine"?
don't remember how/why it's bad for reels
quick to emulsify in S/W, maybe ???
Quote from: RowdyW on November 08, 2022, 01:10:33 AMYamaha Marine Grease is still blue. Marine Grease is for use in saltwater & is resistant to salt water. Rudy
Rudy, the seller told me they used this as allaround grease, but mostly for propeller axles. But I will keep on looking for the right blue grease. But my local Yamaha shop couldn't help me with it.
Quote from: Donnyboat on November 08, 2022, 01:17:45 AMI see in Western Australia, they are now selling a green grease, I think it is processed in New Zealand, it had something to do with the trouble of transporting the original around the World, when the covid restictions were on. I really think if its not blue, dont buy it, good luck, cheers Don.
Thanks Donnyboat. I will keep on looking for the right blue grease.
Quote from: philaroman on November 08, 2022, 01:32:09 AMwhat's "LICAL" ?
is it lithium grease, rather than "marine"?
don't remember how/why it's bad for reels
quick to emulsify in S/W, maybe ???
I asked, but they didn't know and the text on the tube didn't tell.
looks like LICAL=lithium+calcium
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2205.msg12734#msg12734 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2205.msg12734#msg12734)
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23954.15 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23954.15)
hey now it looks like cal's grease
Here in the UK I bought some Yamaha marine grease (maybe two or three years ago) and it was beige. The only blue marine grease I could find relatively easily was Lucas. Both seem to work fine.
Quote from: philaroman on November 08, 2022, 02:21:10 AMlooks like LICAL=lithium+calcium
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2205.msg12734#msg12734 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=2205.msg12734#msg12734)
https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23954.15 (https://alantani.com/index.php?topic=23954.15)
Yes, I also found lithium+calcium based.
Doesn't seem like the blue Yamaha grease can be found here in Sweden even if you go to a Yamahashop. I can buy it from Ebay, but the shippingcost is insane :o
The Quicksilver Marine Grease 2-4-C PTFE can be bought here for descent money. Is it possible to mix with CorrosionX oil to get it thinner? Also the CorrosionX grease can be bought, but its way more expensive.
So which of those two greasebrands would be a good substitute to the Yamahagrease ?
What about super lube? That stuff is great.
If you are not doing a lot of reels, you can just get one grease for both drag lube and general use. As noted in the other thread, we look for a high dropping point and PTFE for drag use. NLGI 2 is about the right thickness.
Quote from: JasonGotaProblem on November 09, 2022, 05:30:12 AMWhat about super lube? That stuff is great.
I could try that. Is it mixable with CorrosionX to make it thinner for bearings?
Quote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:40:05 AMIf you are not doing a lot of reels, you can just get one grease for both drag lube and general use. As noted in the other thread, we look for a high dropping point and PTFE for drag use. NLGI 2 is about the right thickness.
I do a bunch of reels now and then. My thought was to buy a grease for general use that is easy to find in the stores. What I found out now is that the Quicksilver grease seems to be the easiest to find in stores near me. Will try and see if its mixable with CorrosionX for the bearings ?
Quote from: Drisse on November 09, 2022, 07:22:14 AMQuote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:40:05 AMIf you are not doing a lot of reels, you can just get one grease for both drag lube and general use. As noted in the other thread, we look for a high dropping point and PTFE for drag use. NLGI 2 is about the right thickness.
I do a bunch of reels now and then. My thought was to buy a grease for general use that is easy to find in the stores. What I found out now is that the Quicksilver grease seems to be the easiest to find in stores near me. Will try and see if its mixable with CorrosionX for the bearings ?
From what I have read, the thickeners tend to be where the incompatibilities lie when mixing greases. If you are trying to thin a synthetic grease with a synthetic oil, your odds should be better. The risk will mostly be in the oil bleeding back out over time. Some folk here do grease thinning with varying degrees of success. Probably best to avoid thinning with any lubricant that is delivered with a solvent.
Super Lube is cheap enough here that it makes no sense for me to buy a separate grease for general use. I use it for drags and everything else. I originally found the stuff when I needed a food safe high temp grease to fix my oven door hinges. Found out later that it worked well on reels :)
If I also needed a thinner grease, I would choose a thinner grade of Super Lube. Why screw around trying to blend in some oil and hoping for the best?
-J
Quote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:41:06 PMI use it for drags and everything else.
Which Super Lube variety do you use on drags?
https://www.amazon.ca/Super-Lube-41160-Synthetic-Multi-Purpose/dp/B0083R1FME/ref=asc_df_B0083R1FME/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292993973230&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11423002021984609049&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1001879&hvtargid=pla-386197657400&psc=1
I use super lube also on drags. works great.
Cheers:
todd
SuperLube is an excellent grease.
Although it is Salt Water Resistant —- I use it primarily on fresh water spinners.
Then Yamaha Marine on salt-water reels.
Just personal choice for me.
I think it will work well on any reel application.
It works well on drags —- but I prefer Cal's.
Again, just personal preference and what I am experienced and comfortable with putting out there on reels —- that I may not ever see again, or maybe once or twice in a decade.
Best, Fred
Quote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:41:06 PMQuote from: Drisse on November 09, 2022, 07:22:14 AMQuote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:40:05 AMIf you are not doing a lot of reels, you can just get one grease for both drag lube and general use. As noted in the other thread, we look for a high dropping point and PTFE for drag use. NLGI 2 is about the right thickness.
I do a bunch of reels now and then. My thought was to buy a grease for general use that is easy to find in the stores. What I found out now is that the Quicksilver grease seems to be the easiest to find in stores near me. Will try and see if its mixable with CorrosionX for the bearings ?
From what I have read, the thickeners tend to be where the incompatibilities lie when mixing greases. If you are trying to thin a synthetic grease with a synthetic oil, your odds should be better. The risk will mostly be in the oil bleeding back out over time. Some folk here do grease thinning with varying degrees of success. Probably best to avoid thinning with any lubricant that is delivered with a solvent.
Super Lube is cheap enough here that it makes no sense for me to buy a separate grease for general use. I use it for drags and everything else. I originally found the stuff when I needed a food safe high temp grease to fix my oven door hinges. Found out later that it worked well on reels :)
If I also needed a thinner grease, I would choose a thinner grade of Super Lube. Why screw around trying to blend in some oil and hoping for the best?
-J
[/quoteQuote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:41:06 PMQuote from: Drisse on November 09, 2022, 07:22:14 AMQuote from: jurelometer on November 09, 2022, 06:40:05 AMIf you are not doing a lot of reels, you can just get one grease for both drag lube and general use. As noted in the other thread, we look for a high dropping point and PTFE for drag use. NLGI 2 is about the right thickness.
I do a bunch of reels now and then. My thought was to buy a grease for general use that is easy to find in the stores. What I found out now is that the Quicksilver grease seems to be the easiest to find in stores near me. Will try and see if its mixable with CorrosionX for the bearings ?
From what I have read, the thickeners tend to be where the incompatibilities lie when mixing greases. If you are trying to thin a synthetic grease with a synthetic oil, your odds should be better. The risk will mostly be in the oil bleeding back out over time. Some folk here do grease thinning with varying degrees of success. Probably best to avoid thinning with any lubricant that is delivered with a solvent.
Super Lube is cheap enough here that it makes no sense for me to buy a separate grease for general use. I use it for drags and everything else. I originally found the stuff when I needed a food safe high temp grease to fix my oven door hinges. Found out later that it worked well on reels :)
If I also needed a thinner grease, I would choose a thinner grade of Super Lube. Why screw around trying to blend in some oil and hoping for the best?
-J
I will try Super Lube. About thinning the grease I only want packed bearings to feel smoother on smaller conventional reels. I always think the reel feels to stiff when I handpack the bearings with the greases I've tried so far.
Will order some Super Lube today. Are there different Super Lube greases ?
Quote from: Hardy Boy on November 09, 2022, 09:08:06 PMhttps://www.amazon.ca/Super-Lube-41160-Synthetic-Multi-Purpose/dp/B0083R1FME/ref=asc_df_B0083R1FME/?tag=googleshopc0c-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=292993973230&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11423002021984609049&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1001879&hvtargid=pla-386197657400&psc=1
I use super lube also on drags. works great.
Cheers:
todd
Thanks Todd :)
I've only seen that one super lube grease. They make an oil I use on cork also.
Cheers:
Todd
Thanks Todd :)
Just check out their web site:
https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe
(https://www.super-lube.com/multi-purpose-synthetic-grease-with-syncolon-ptfe)
The differrence is the NLGI grade(thickness). The variety that is easy to find is NLGI 2, which is what we generally use on reels. If the seller does not specify the grade, it is probably a 2 (which is true for most greases).
Here is a description that makes a food comparison (e.g. NLGI 2 = peanut butter). Once you get below NLGI 0 it starts to be more of a liquid.
https://www.thelubricantstore.com/laymans-guide-to-nlgi-grades/ (https://www.thelubricantstore.com/laymans-guide-to-nlgi-grades/)
Grease is oil + thickener + additives. A higher ratio of oil is what makes it thinner. When you are mixing extra oil into grease, you are doing a homemade version of a drop in NLGI grade.
-J
I second, third, etc superlube. I only work on fresh water reels but it is great. Use it on every part of the reel and also you can rub it into any plastic or bakelite to bring the finish back.
I don't know if fresh vs. saltwater should be a consideration.
Greases that are labeled as "marine" have soaps (thickeners) and/or additives that address water resistance. I have not been able to find an ingredient used in greases to better protect from saltwater vs. water in general.
I suspect there may not be such an ingredient, but if someone else out there knows, please enlighten us.
-J