Any tuna experts out here? I'm thinking about going on my first tuna trip this fall and am wondering if the 3/0 senator -- which I already own-- and a shimano tld 25 lever drag be enough for most fish in the northeast. I was thinking 30lb mono for the 3/0 and 40-50lb mono on the tld. What do you guys think? Also if you guys have any other input and advice, that'd be great too. Thanks.
Newport I am not an expert. Those reels will do but it depends on the type of boat you will be fishing from. Also the size of the fish you will be targeting. If you are fishing from a private boat or private charter which means you will have time to play the fish to the boat you should be okay and if you're looking at 30 to 50lb fish you will be under gunned with the 113. Dominick
And way under gunned with a 112.
So far i been looking at a couple boats that do a 24hr tuna trip. 100ft boats with a maximum of 25 and 26 people on board with 17 being the minimum for the trip to take place. I haven't looked at any charters yet, but I don't think I want to even do that. It seems like it would be too pricey for something that wouldn't be a guarantee.
I should also add that both party boats recommend a 6/0 or equivalent reel spooled with 80lb mono for chunking butterfish. So I did a little bit of research and found the tld 25 as being the equivalent in terms of size and capacity to the 6/0 (correct me if I'm wrong here). I never owned a lever drag, but heard it's a good reel for the money, so that's why I mentioned the tld specifically. Now the reason I ask about spooling with 40 or 50lb instead is because the 80lb seems a bit much, no? The tld doesn't have the drag capacity to warrant it either. I thought I ask here to get a different perspective, as I said before, I never fished for tuna before, so I don't want to come off the wrong way.
I do a lot tuna fishing out of SD and we will come on schools of 30-50lb fish and I have to say the 112h is a fine reel for that. No need for more than 30-40lb line for that size fish. You can easily put 300+ yards of 30lb on a 112h and that's plenty at 10lbs of drag. I can get them in in under 15mins, with the average being around 5mins. The 112 should be just as fine as long as you get a 5 stack in there. As the 2.5:1 gear ratio should handle well. Maybe an SS sleeve to.
On the NE head boats for tuna TANKED 4/0 will do. Killed ALOT of Fish with the TLD 25. 40# Momoi diamond. The TLD is mostly a first light type a reel. When your most likely to get an albacore bite. But for security.....stay with a 6/0 or maybe a 2spd. 4/0. I fish the Tiagra 30WLRS. I have faith in that reel. Much more now that Bryan improved the drag curve. Just my 2cents.
Bob
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on June 29, 2015, 05:22:09 AM
I do a lot tuna fishing out of SD and we will come on schools of 30-50lb fish and I have to say the 112h is a fine reel for that. No need for more than 30-40lb line for that size fish. You can easily put 300+ yards of 30lb on a 112h and that's plenty at 10lbs of drag. I can get them in in under 15mins, with the average being around 5mins. The 112 should be just as fine as long as you get a 5 stack in there. As the 2.5:1 gear ratio should handle well. Maybe an SS sleeve to.
Are you talking 112 or 112H? The 112H is a 3 stack drag with a 4 to 1 ratio.
Thanks everyone for their input. The tld 25 sounds like a winner, and if it doesn't work out, the worst that could happen (besides sea sickness) is using the boat's rental rods and reels. I'll probably spool it with 40lb high quality mono, such as the momoi diamond that was mentioned. I'll still probably bring the old 3/0 senator with 30lb line for smaller schoolie tuna or other smaller pelagic fish species. It would probably need some upgrading, especially the very old stock drag. Unfortunately smooth drags only sells them for the 112h. September, october still a quite a bit away, so if anyone has any further thoughts or advice, then feel free to chime in. Thanks.
The black plated 112 can take a 5 drag setup. Use 5 of 6-60 CF washers & 1 more eared & 1 more keyed washer. All Penn parts. Available from Scott's Bait & Tackle (Penn Parts)
Newport, leave the 3/0 at home. Been on many NE canyon trips and the instances where the 3/0 will be used are few and far between. Get an old school 114h, puts some mods in it(SS sleeve, upgraded drag,handle and knob) then spend your money actually getting there. Fish the hell outta it than move on to more $$ stuff. Just my thought on it.
Bob
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 12:26:50 AM
Newport, leave the 3/0 at home. Been on many NE canyon trips and the instances where the 3/0 will be used are few and far between. Get an old school 114h, puts some mods in it(SS sleeve, upgraded drag,handle and knob) then spend your money actually getting there. Fish the hell outta it than move on to more $$ stuff. Just my thought on it.
Bob
I agree with Bob but I would not leave the TLD home. The boats in Mexico use them for almost everything. I caught a 150lb marlin with one but I do not know what pound line was on it but the way I was pulling on the rod I expect it was at least 65lb. Dominick
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 01:06:38 AM
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉
It's amazing how wives don't appreciate some gifts. At least they are generous about lending it out. ;D Dominick
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dont go with less then 6/0 60 lb line or you are asking to cry a lot You will be anchored in 500 ft fishing 100 ft down and fish size is not uniform can range from foot balls to big eyes of 300 or swords of 400.Boat doesnt chase ya got 20+ folks and a good chance of tangles. In a tangle 60 lb is minimal and gets burned off real fast. 6/0 will work 9/0 even better and they are not that dear on fleabay
Great info shared...I'm working on again off again on a 6/0 myself, lots of good ones on Ebay or check your local Craigslist.com.
I wonder if we could do a Fishing Location sub forum....Like us North East guys could reference this info for a while. And you Cali guys always have awesome info that is specific to your area.
Just a thought...
Quote from: bill19803 on July 01, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
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dont go with less then 6/0 60 lb line or you are asking to cry a lot You will be anchored in 500 ft fishing 100 ft down and fish size is not uniform can range from foot balls to big eyes of 300 or swords of 400.Boat doesnt chase ya got 20+ folks and a good chance of tangles. In a tangle 60 lb is minimal and gets burned off real fast. 6/0 will work 9/0 even better and they are not that dear on fleabay
Hi bill, I appreciate the input. I'll shoot you an email as soon as I can. I just want to recollect my thoughts as I have some new questions about tackle, head boats and such. Thanks.
Quote from: coastal_dan on July 01, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
Great info shared...I'm working on again off again on a 6/0 myself, lots of good ones on Ebay or check your local Craigslist.com.
I wonder if we could do a Fishing Location sub forum....Like us North East guys could reference this info for a while. And you Cali guys always have awesome info that is specific to your area.
Just a thought...
I have noticed a lot of northeast guys on here. It's not a bad idea.
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 01:06:38 AM
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉
Just get her a new vacume or washing machine next time to insure your spot on the couch.
Hey guys just a little update. I am going on the Golden Eagle off of Belmar NJ on Sep 27th. Not sure how it is now, but plenty of spots left when I signed up. This will be my first offshore trip and I am very excited about it and also a bit nervous as well -- mostly worried about seasickness and awful weather. I decided to purchase a Daiwa Sealine 600h for really cheap, but of course some parts needed replacing and Daiwa sevice department was actually kind enough to send me many of them to me free of charge, including free shipping! I also upgraded the drags to Bryan's 5+1 carbon fiber drack stack. The old ones literally broke apart when I removed them. Spooled with 400 yds of 60lb Momoi Diamond, it is all ready to go. Bill has been especially helpful and answered many questions I had very thoroughly. Honestly, without his help I don't think I would have even made this trip. Here's a picture of my reel:
sweet! ;)
Awesome, that's what this place is all about! Bill is full of great info for our neck of the woods. I just read that he has 4x similar trips booked for this year, WOW! Post pictures, I plan on doing one next year.
I can't speak about the reels, but I can tell you to take 1 bonine pill the night before, then take another bonine after you eat a low fat breakfast (egg whites with whole wheat toast is what I do).
The low fat diet is really the trick! I've been on the Golden Eagle and it's one of the boats in that fleet that has lasted the test of time so I'd say you'll hook up if the fish are there. Our boats here on the East Coast don't compare to the West Coast long rangers, so it can get a bit "sporty" if the seas kick up. Have a great/safe trip!
PS- no alcohol
Newport, I'll be on the gambler on the 26/27 trip...I'll leave some for ya...lol
Also looking at the GE on the last trip of their season Oct. 18/19. If you hook think about a second trip...actually if you guys catch you'll already be booking a second trip...it's a disease.!!
Bob
hope to see you on GE and get to chat as we haul em in You can have my share of yft ill take your share of swords lol
Bill, just got the email from them...trips added👍😃😃
Also 26/27 full moon......now pray for the weather. BTW....the TLD-25 will be going on ALL of them..!!
so you are going on 2 golden eagle trips ?26/27 sept, oct 18/19 ?
ill be busy i guess with new hampshire buddy plus tld25 guy(newport) on 26/27
will be bringing 25 lbs squid from lunds in cape may its mixed some big some not so much
i will also have a very limited number of giant squid to share 600 gram or more also from lunds
but there were only about 30 in 40 lb box so with 4 trips quantities are limited.
ill be strictly sword with giant gear till a serious bite starts and then switch gear to 30/50 sized stuff and smaller squid
Yep me, bill, and his friend will be fishing the same boat. I will definitely be taking pictures --and if not too hectic-- maybe even a video. Perhaps next year there will be a bunch of alantani members coming.
Broadway, is that bonine any better than the drammanine pill, you think? I already got the dramine pills, but if the one you suggested is better then I'll get that, thanks. I was actually thinking of bringing maybe a six pack, but I guess that's a bad idea? I figure a little dulling of the senses would help.
Bmitch, good luck on both trips. We'll see, but I don't think I be able to do another trip this year even if I wanted to.
just checked the web site and they added 3 trips guess ill be on the phone in morning for all three Ouch budget getting wounded severely
Newport& bill, I'm on the gambler on the sat to sun trip. That's the night before you guys are on the golden eagle. I'm looking at the GE for their last trip of the season. Work/home $$ says three trips this year...end sept. Mid oct. And end oct/beginning of nov. (BTW last year it was in the beginning of Nov. We bailed them). I'll know more after getting with Scott tonight. Logistics issues. Stay tuned.
Now to stop hijacking the thread..all these trips will have " the triple dogged TANK" , the TLD 25, my Tiagra 30 LRS, and possibly my blinged out 6/0 114 H. Not to mention a spin in rod for makin bait and one for mahi. That's a whole lotta tackle for a 24 hr trip 😳. And that's not to mention if they decide to go for tiles. If they do I'm screwed. Oh well.... Cranking 600 feet plus of line with 3+ pounds of weight sucks without the right gear. If I was to bring gear for tiles that would be at a min. Of one more setup. At that point the capt. Might want to charge me double due to alllllll the rods and reels I bring on board....😜
Sounds awesome guys!
Newport - Bonine is far better in my opinion, especially for being less drowsy. Also, for example, my brother gets very seasick...but he always took the pill in the morning and drank a few adult beverages the night before (bad combo). So, this year for our Tile trip I made sure they limited it to ONE drink the night before and he took 2 Bonine pills the night before, then one in the morning. Breakfast consisted of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. After a 15 hour trip with fairly rough seas in the morning all on a 27' boat 70 miles out, he NEVER got sick. It was a miracle, haha.
Bob
just returned from Golden eagle in belmar booked all three extra trips so will see you there. I better wind up with some swordfish to give away or little woman is gonna be highly ... upset
Thanks dan. I do not want to get sick out there, lol. I guess the full moon is generally a good thing -- any advantage is better than none.