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Title: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on June 29, 2015, 03:01:15 AM
Any tuna experts out here? I'm thinking about going on my first tuna trip this fall and am wondering if the 3/0 senator -- which I already own-- and a shimano tld 25 lever drag be enough for most fish in the northeast. I was thinking 30lb mono for the 3/0 and 40-50lb mono on the tld. What do you guys think? Also if you guys have any other input and advice, that'd be great too. Thanks.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: Dominick on June 29, 2015, 03:29:57 AM
Newport I am not an expert.  Those reels will do but it depends on the type of boat you will be fishing from.  Also the size of the fish you will be targeting.  If you are fishing from a private boat or private charter which means you will have time to play the fish to the boat you should be okay and if you're looking at 30 to 50lb fish you will be under gunned with the 113.  Dominick
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2015, 04:16:13 AM
And way under gunned with a 112.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on June 29, 2015, 04:19:06 AM
So far i been looking at a couple boats that do a 24hr tuna trip. 100ft boats with a maximum of 25 and 26 people on board with 17 being the minimum for the trip to take place. I haven't looked at any charters yet, but I don't think I want to even do that. It seems like it would be too pricey for something that wouldn't be a guarantee.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on June 29, 2015, 04:36:52 AM
I should also add that both party boats recommend a 6/0 or equivalent reel spooled with 80lb mono for chunking butterfish. So I did a little bit of research and found the tld 25 as being the equivalent in terms of size and capacity to the 6/0 (correct me if I'm wrong here). I never owned a lever drag, but heard it's a good reel for the money, so that's why I mentioned the tld specifically. Now the reason I ask about spooling with 40 or 50lb instead is because the 80lb seems a bit much, no? The tld doesn't have the drag capacity to warrant it either. I thought I ask here to get a different perspective, as I said before, I never fished for tuna before, so I don't want to come off the wrong way.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: fIsHsTiiCkS on June 29, 2015, 05:22:09 AM
I do a lot tuna fishing out of SD and we will come on schools of 30-50lb fish and I have to say the 112h is a fine reel for that. No need for more than 30-40lb line for that size fish. You can easily put 300+ yards of 30lb on a 112h and that's plenty at 10lbs of drag. I can get them in in under 15mins, with the average being around 5mins. The 112 should be just as fine as long as you get a 5 stack in there. As the 2.5:1 gear ratio should handle well. Maybe an SS sleeve to.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on June 29, 2015, 08:34:19 PM
On the NE head boats for tuna TANKED 4/0 will do. Killed ALOT of Fish with the TLD 25. 40# Momoi diamond. The TLD is mostly a first light type a reel. When your most likely to get an albacore bite. But for security.....stay with a 6/0 or maybe a 2spd. 4/0. I fish the Tiagra 30WLRS. I have faith in that reel. Much more now that Bryan improved the drag curve. Just my 2cents.

Bob
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: RowdyW on June 29, 2015, 09:25:08 PM
Quote from: fIsHsTiiCkS on June 29, 2015, 05:22:09 AM
I do a lot tuna fishing out of SD and we will come on schools of 30-50lb fish and I have to say the 112h is a fine reel for that. No need for more than 30-40lb line for that size fish. You can easily put 300+ yards of 30lb on a 112h and that's plenty at 10lbs of drag. I can get them in in under 15mins, with the average being around 5mins. The 112 should be just as fine as long as you get a 5 stack in there. As the 2.5:1 gear ratio should handle well. Maybe an SS sleeve to.
Are you talking 112 or 112H? The 112H is a 3 stack drag with a 4 to 1 ratio.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on June 30, 2015, 09:45:31 PM
Thanks everyone for their input. The tld 25 sounds like a winner, and if it doesn't work out, the worst that could happen (besides sea sickness) is using the boat's rental rods and reels. I'll probably spool it with 40lb high quality mono, such as the momoi diamond that was mentioned. I'll still probably bring the old 3/0 senator with 30lb line for smaller schoolie tuna or other smaller pelagic fish species. It would probably need some upgrading, especially the very old stock drag. Unfortunately smooth drags only sells them for the 112h. September, october still a quite a bit away, so if anyone has any further thoughts or advice, then feel free to chime in. Thanks.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: RowdyW on June 30, 2015, 09:56:16 PM
The black plated 112 can take a 5 drag setup. Use 5 of 6-60 CF washers & 1 more eared & 1 more keyed washer. All Penn parts. Available from Scott's Bait & Tackle (Penn Parts)
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 12:26:50 AM
Newport, leave the 3/0 at home. Been on many NE canyon trips and the instances where the 3/0 will be used are few and far between. Get an old school 114h, puts some mods in it(SS sleeve, upgraded drag,handle and knob) then spend your money actually getting there. Fish the hell outta it than move on to more $$ stuff. Just my thought on it.

Bob
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: Dominick on July 01, 2015, 12:35:11 AM
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 12:26:50 AM
Newport, leave the 3/0 at home. Been on many NE canyon trips and the instances where the 3/0 will be used are few and far between. Get an old school 114h, puts some mods in it(SS sleeve, upgraded drag,handle and knob) then spend your money actually getting there. Fish the hell outta it than move on to more $$ stuff. Just my thought on it.

Bob
I agree with Bob but I would not leave the TLD home.  The boats in Mexico use them for almost everything. I caught a 150lb marlin with one but I do not know what pound line was on it but the way I was pulling on the rod I expect it was at least 65lb.  Dominick
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 01:06:38 AM
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: Dominick on July 01, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 01:06:38 AM
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉
It's amazing how wives don't appreciate some gifts.  At least they are generous about lending it out.   ;D Dominick
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: bill19803 on July 01, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
sent   PM
dont  go  with less then    6/0   60 lb  line  or  you are asking to  cry a lot You will be anchored in  500  ft  fishing  100  ft   down   and    fish  size  is  not uniform  can  range  from  foot balls   to big eyes of   300  or  swords  of   400.Boat   doesnt   chase  ya got    20+   folks  and a good chance of tangles. In a   tangle   60 lb is minimal  and gets    burned off real  fast.  6/0   will  work    9/0  even better  and they are not that dear  on  fleabay
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: coastal_dan on July 01, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
Great info shared...I'm working on again off again on a 6/0 myself, lots of good ones on Ebay or check your local Craigslist.com.

I wonder if we could do a Fishing Location sub forum....Like us North East guys could reference this info for a while.  And you Cali guys always have awesome info that is specific to your area.

Just a thought...
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on July 02, 2015, 04:59:27 AM
Quote from: bill19803 on July 01, 2015, 01:42:37 AM
sent   PM
dont  go  with less then    6/0   60 lb  line  or  you are asking to  cry a lot You will be anchored in  500  ft  fishing  100  ft   down   and    fish  size  is  not uniform  can  range  from  foot balls   to big eyes of   300  or  swords  of   400.Boat   doesnt   chase  ya got    20+   folks  and a good chance of tangles. In a   tangle   60 lb is minimal  and gets    burned off real  fast.  6/0   will  work    9/0  even better  and they are not that dear  on  fleabay
Hi bill, I appreciate the input. I'll shoot you an email as soon as I can. I just want to recollect my thoughts as I have some new questions about tackle, head boats and such. Thanks.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on July 02, 2015, 05:06:46 AM
Quote from: coastal_dan on July 01, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
Great info shared...I'm working on again off again on a 6/0 myself, lots of good ones on Ebay or check your local Craigslist.com.

I wonder if we could do a Fishing Location sub forum....Like us North East guys could reference this info for a while.  And you Cali guys always have awesome info that is specific to your area.

Just a thought...
I have noticed a lot of northeast guys on here. It's not a bad idea.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: anglingarchitect on July 02, 2015, 04:32:31 PM
Quote from: BMITCH on July 01, 2015, 01:06:38 AM
No your right Dominique. The TLD ALWAYS goes. It was a wedding present 28 yrs ago. My wife hasn't gotten much use out of it 😉

Just get her a new vacume or washing machine next time to insure your spot on the couch.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on August 28, 2015, 06:14:57 AM
Hey guys just a little update. I am going on the Golden Eagle off of Belmar NJ on Sep 27th. Not sure how it is now, but plenty of spots left when I signed up. This will be my first offshore trip and I am very excited about it and also a bit nervous as well -- mostly worried about seasickness and awful weather. I decided to purchase a Daiwa Sealine 600h for really cheap, but of course some parts needed replacing and Daiwa sevice department was actually kind enough to send me many of them to me free of charge, including free shipping! I also upgraded the drags to Bryan's 5+1 carbon fiber drack stack. The old ones literally broke apart when I removed them. Spooled with 400 yds of 60lb Momoi Diamond, it is all ready to go. Bill has been especially helpful and answered many questions I had very thoroughly. Honestly, without his help I don't think I would have even made this trip. Here's a picture of my reel:
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: johndtuttle on August 28, 2015, 06:31:32 PM
sweet!  ;)
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: coastal_dan on September 02, 2015, 03:32:57 PM
Awesome, that's what this place is all about!  Bill is full of great info for our neck of the woods.  I just read that he has 4x similar trips booked for this year, WOW!  Post pictures, I plan on doing one next year.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: broadway on September 02, 2015, 05:27:21 PM
I can't speak about the reels, but I can tell you to take 1 bonine pill the night before, then take another bonine after you eat a low fat breakfast (egg whites with whole wheat toast is what I do).
The low fat diet is really the trick! I've been on the Golden Eagle and it's one of the boats in that fleet that has lasted the test of time so I'd say you'll hook up if the fish are there.  Our boats here on the East Coast don't compare to the West Coast long rangers, so it can get a bit "sporty" if the seas kick up.  Have a great/safe trip!
PS- no alcohol
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on September 02, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
Newport, I'll be on the gambler on the 26/27 trip...I'll leave some for ya...lol
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on September 02, 2015, 11:11:11 PM
Also looking at the GE on the last trip of their season Oct. 18/19. If you hook think about a second trip...actually if you guys catch you'll already be booking a second trip...it's a disease.!!
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: bill19803 on September 02, 2015, 11:43:16 PM
Bob
hope to see you on  GE   and get to chat as we  haul  em in  You  can have my  share of  yft ill take your  share of  swords lol
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on September 02, 2015, 11:52:21 PM
Bill, just got the email from them...trips added👍😃😃
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on September 02, 2015, 11:53:49 PM
Also 26/27 full moon......now pray for the weather. BTW....the TLD-25 will be going on ALL of them..!!
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: bill19803 on September 03, 2015, 02:48:27 AM
so  you are  going on  2   golden eagle trips ?26/27  sept, oct 18/19 ?

ill be  busy i guess  with new hampshire  buddy   plus  tld25  guy(newport) on  26/27
will be  bringing  25 lbs  squid  from lunds in cape may   its mixed  some  big some not so much
i will  also have a very limited number of giant  squid to  share   600  gram or  more  also  from  lunds

but there  were  only  about  30  in  40 lb  box   so  with  4 trips   quantities are limited.
ill  be strictly  sword  with  giant gear   till  a serious  bite  starts  and then  switch gear to   30/50  sized  stuff  and  smaller   squid
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on September 03, 2015, 03:57:59 AM
Yep me, bill, and his friend will be fishing the same boat. I will definitely be taking pictures --and if not too hectic-- maybe even a video. Perhaps next year there will be a bunch of alantani members coming.

Broadway, is that bonine any better than the drammanine pill, you think? I already got the dramine pills, but if the one you suggested is better then I'll get that, thanks. I was actually thinking of bringing maybe a six pack, but I guess that's a bad idea? I figure a little dulling of the senses would help.

Bmitch, good luck on both trips. We'll see, but I don't think I be able to do another trip this year even if I wanted to.

Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: bill19803 on September 03, 2015, 04:35:13 AM
just   checked the web  site  and they added  3 trips   guess ill be on the phone in morning  for all three  Ouch  budget   getting  wounded severely
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: BMITCH on September 03, 2015, 10:27:43 AM
Newport& bill, I'm on the gambler on the sat to sun trip. That's the night before you guys are on the golden eagle. I'm looking at the GE for their last trip of the season. Work/home $$ says three trips this year...end sept. Mid oct. And end oct/beginning of nov. (BTW last year it was in the beginning of Nov. We bailed them). I'll know more after getting with Scott tonight. Logistics issues. Stay tuned.
  Now to stop hijacking the thread..all these trips will have " the triple dogged TANK" , the TLD 25, my Tiagra 30 LRS, and possibly my blinged out 6/0 114 H. Not to mention a spin in rod for makin bait and one for mahi. That's a whole lotta tackle for a 24 hr trip 😳. And that's not to mention if they decide to go for tiles. If they do I'm screwed. Oh well.... Cranking 600 feet plus of line with 3+ pounds of weight sucks without the right gear. If I was to bring gear for tiles that would be at a min. Of one more setup. At that point the capt. Might want to charge me double due to alllllll the rods and reels I bring on board....😜
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: coastal_dan on September 03, 2015, 01:56:01 PM
Sounds awesome guys!

Newport - Bonine is far better in my opinion, especially for being less drowsy.  Also, for example, my brother gets very seasick...but he always took the pill in the morning and drank a few adult beverages the night before (bad combo).  So, this year for our Tile trip I made sure they limited it to ONE drink the night before and he took 2 Bonine pills the night before, then one in the morning.  Breakfast consisted of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.  After a 15 hour trip with fairly rough seas in the morning all on a 27' boat 70 miles out, he NEVER got sick.  It was a miracle, haha.
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: bill19803 on September 04, 2015, 02:01:21 AM
Bob
just returned  from  Golden  eagle in belmar  booked all three   extra  trips  so will see you there. I better wind up with   some swordfish to give  away   or little woman is  gonna be highly ...  upset
Title: Re: 3/0 senator and shimano tld 25 lever drag for tuna fishing
Post by: newport on September 05, 2015, 01:59:40 AM
Thanks dan. I do not want to get sick out there, lol. I guess the full moon is generally a good thing -- any advantage is better than none.