Aloha AT ohana! Here is a little piece of Hawaii fishing history that a friend of mine recently acquired while buying a box of random penn parts/pieces. It is an extended 3" wide jigmaster known locally as a "Pearl Harbor Special", guessing it dates back to the 60s or 70s. It uses a 3" diy spool and Long Beach 68 base/posts (P454/546 bars also work). These were made by creative fishermen back in the days way before extension kits were available out of necessity for greater line capacity. I think it's name originates with local guys who worked at the Pearl Harbor shipyard and had access to a machine shop to do this tedious work. The stock spool had to be cut and have a extension sleeve welded/braised on depending what kind of spool was used. In this case it was a penn stainless spool that appears to have been drilled and welded. These couldn't be fished with tight drags due to the weaker wide spool being prone to bending under heavy drag and becoming stuck between the sideplates. So there you have it, the grandpa to all jigmaster extension kits like the yellowfin special and super jigmaster!
Someones grandpa/uncle is rolling in their grave over their hard work being sold for so cheap....
Aloha,
Kyle
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Had to make this ~1/16" brass spacer sleeve to center the spool and keep it from hitting the pinion.
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I heard about the machine shop at the boatyard in Hickam harbor producing custom reel parts back in the 60s. There certainly are examples of widened Pfluegers, Penns and other floating around. Cool to see one here.
I used one of Sal's delron dots inside the headplate bushing to move the spool towards the tailplate, and center it properly on a Hawaiian wide JM kit.
Thanks for sharing!
John
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 04:12:50 AM
I heard about the machine at the boatyard in Hickam harbor producing custom reel parts back in the 60s. There certainly are examples of widened Pfluegers, Penns and other floating around. Cool to see one here.
I used one of Sal's delron dots inside the headplate bushing to move the spool towards the tailplate, and center it properly on a Hawaiian wide JM kit.
Thanks for sharing!
John
Whoa those delrin dots are brilliant. Woulda saved me a lot of time, even if i enjoy making things. Does Sal have those for sale?? Also that is a very nice looking super jig, as nice as aluminum anodized plates are...a clean set of penn plates is still a killer look.
Just goes to show what can happen when people don't feel like fixing my submarine! Bet it happened after telling the boat 2nd shift.
OK, had to. Some people here might get it. Seriously, that is really cool. I bet if you used 99 plates the 68 stand would be easier to fit and you could still use the Jiggy outer plate. The spool, no way around it, takes someone who knows what they are doing.
Ron
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on January 23, 2017, 04:24:12 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 04:12:50 AM
I heard about the machine at the boatyard in Hickam harbor producing custom reel parts back in the 60s. There certainly are examples of widened Pfluegers, Penns and other floating around. Cool to see one here.
I used one of Sal's delron dots inside the headplate bushing to move the spool towards the tailplate, and center it properly on a Hawaiian wide JM kit.
Thanks for sharing!
John
Whoa those delrin dots are brilliant. Woulda saved me a lot of time, even if i enjoy making things. Does Sal have those for sale?? Also that is a very nice looking super jig, as nice as aluminum anodized plates are...a clean set of penn plates is still a killer look.
Pm me your address and I will send you a few.
John
Neat piece of history, thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 05:00:01 AM
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on January 23, 2017, 04:24:12 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 04:12:50 AM
I heard about the machine at the boatyard in Hickam harbor producing custom reel parts back in the 60s. There certainly are examples of widened Pfluegers, Penns and other floating around. Cool to see one here.
I used one of Sal's delron dots inside the headplate bushing to move the spool towards the tailplate, and center it properly on a Hawaiian wide JM kit.
Thanks for sharing!
John
Whoa those delrin dots are brilliant. Woulda saved me a lot of time, even if i enjoy making things. Does Sal have those for sale?? Also that is a very nice looking super jig, as nice as aluminum anodized plates are...a clean set of penn plates is still a killer look.
Pm me your address and I will send you a few.
John
Were do you install the delrin dots and how do you keep them from slipping?
Quote from: Bryan Young on January 25, 2017, 04:25:54 PM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 05:00:01 AM
Quote from: Yogi_fish808 on January 23, 2017, 04:24:12 AM
Quote from: Tightlines666 on January 23, 2017, 04:12:50 AM
I heard about the machine at the boatyard in Hickam harbor producing custom reel parts back in the 60s. There certainly are examples of widened Pfluegers, Penns and other floating around. Cool to see one here.
I used one of Sal's delron dots inside the headplate bushing to move the spool towards the tailplate, and center it properly on a Hawaiian wide JM kit.
Thanks for sharing!
John
Whoa those delrin dots are brilliant. Woulda saved me a lot of time, even if i enjoy making things. Does Sal have those for sale?? Also that is a very nice looking super jig, as nice as aluminum anodized plates are...a clean set of penn plates is still a killer look.
Pm me your address and I will send you a few.
John
Were do you install the delrin dots and how do you keep them from slipping?
Brian,
I just drop them inside of the bushing. Not sure that it matters at all if they slip. The tip of the spool shaft rides against the delron dot, instead of the bronze. Freespool seems to be better if anything. Not sure what kind of results longterm use would bring. Maybe Sal knows, since he is the one that cut these?
Bryan.
I believe the dots go inside the bushing to shim the spool over by the tip of the spool shaft against the outboard end of the bushing rather than the spool shaft shoulder against the inboard end of the bushing. These solve the problem of spool shaft variances like when the bushing is all the way in and your spool still needs to move over a bit. They just sort of float and it shouldn't matter if they slip as they are captive.
-Mike
Yup,! Most Tom's bearing cups come with a nipple in the center (am I allowed to say that :) ),
Just as Accurate. Once you slip the bearing in the cup, there is no open space at the base anywhere, the delrin dot sits on top of that nipple, through the inner bearing race.
If you did run into a bearing cup without the nipple, you will then need to make a delrin washer as big as the bearing, with no inner hole of course.
You could Easley use the proper shim washer designed to go in back of the bearing, the problem with those at times the bearing will hit the pinion, making it hard for the eccentric lever to go in or out of gear.
The delrin washer does increase freespool on most.
Using a delrin spacer does not lift the bearing out of its cup.
Sal
Yogi, the brass spacer you're showing is one of the best option for all reels, when dealing with centering the spool. I have made a couple and posted about them, but don't remember where.
I'm sure you know how hard it is to make those, I made mine from slicing a bushing with a cutting wheel, it still take a lot of work.
Our machinists should make us a bunch in stainless steel from the small reels up to the 16/0's, I know I would grab a few.
Sal
Found trhe pic :)
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Quote from: Alto Mare on January 25, 2017, 08:01:27 PM
Yogi, the brass spacer you're showing is one of the best option for all reels, when dealing with centering the spool. I have made a couple and posted about them, but don't remember where.
I'm sure you know how hard it is to make those, I made mine from slicing a bushing with a cutting wheel, it still take a lot of work.
Our machinists should make us a bunch in stainless steel from the small reels up to the 16/0's, I know I would grab a few.
Sal
Hi Sal,
I actually have brass tubing that has the perfect inside diameter to fit jigmaster shaft ends with a perfect outside diameter to match the thick part. Slice off the size needed with a dremel diamond wheel and file/sand down, fairly quick. Having stainless versions in multiple sizes would be very convenient. I originally got the idea from the orange plastic sleeves included on newell 300c jigmaster plates, they were meant to allow penn spools to be used....figured out that it works great for other applications as well!
Aloha,
Kyle
Very cool Kyle. Brass or stainless, we're still on the same page. These would sure cure many reels out there.
Tom?
Lee?
Anyone? :)
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 25, 2017, 08:38:07 PM
Very cool Kyle. Brass or stainless, we're still on the same page. These would sure cure many reels out there.
Tom?
Lee?
Anyone? :)
You rang????
.125 ID, but what is the OD an thickness?
Quote from: Cortez_Conversions on January 26, 2017, 12:17:56 AM
Quote from: Alto Mare on January 25, 2017, 08:38:07 PM
Very cool Kyle. Brass or stainless, we're still on the same page. These would sure cure many reels out there.
Tom?
Lee?
Anyone? :)
You rang????
.125 ID, but what is the OD an thickness?
Hello Tom, thanks for getting back to me.
These would be nice if we could get them for many reels.
The OD would be the same as the thicker part of the spool shaft, so when the washer rests on the shoulder it would be of the same size, well actually if you could make the OD 0.05mm+/- less than the shaft it would be better. I'm guessing the thickness could be 0.15mm, it wouldn't be a problem adding another on top if needed.
Thanks Tom.
Sal
Would bronze be a better option over ss since its "slipperier" than ss while spinning against the bushings? Either way I agree Sal, these would be great to have readily available.
Just wanted to say thank you very much to John aka:Tightlines666 for generously sending me a bunch of the delrin dots a while ago. My friend LOST the 1/16" brass insert I made and dropping a dot into the handle side bushing did the trick and its smooth as can be.
Aloha!
Kyle
Glad it worked out for you.
BTW...
I just caught my first fish on mine this evening. A nice Aku (Skipjack Tuna) out at the HH bouy (14nm run) on a small Malolo jet.
Looks like the boat has come together John. Good deal.
-steve
Quote from: oc1 on April 17, 2017, 09:49:59 PM
Looks like the boat has come together John. Good deal.
-steve
Finally got the fuel system, exhaust, and turbo sorted. Yesterday was a 6 hr test run out 14nm, chassing bird piles, dropping on marine debris piles, and hitting the FAD. Lost 1 & caught 1 Aku. My boat to do list is still in the 'growing longer' phase, but the engine seems to be running good anyways.
Tonight it's sesame-ginger-shoyu Aku on the grill.
That must be the photo design that led to the Tiburon Hawaiian Wide.
Nice Aku! I'm surprised how hard to little footballs of muscle can fight. The last time I fished on a boat we ran into a school of otaru (larger aku) 15-20lbs and they were taking line off the tiagra 80s.
Yum! Great job John. I'm going to look you up next time we are in Oahu!