I just came across this on another site. I'm sure there are quite a few people here that would be interested in this. I'm guessing it will eventually be out in paperback. This is a limited edition, signed and numbered, hardcover.
The Chronological History of Penn Reels, 1932-1957 (http://www.whitefishpress.com/bookdetail.asp?book=190)
Bucktail,
Funny you mentioned this book. I ordered it last week and am waiting for it, so I can let you guys know if it's worth buying.
When I did a one year stint on O.R.C.A. I noticed there was one guy that knew nearly all there was to know about Penn reels... he's the guy that wrote this book.
His name is Michael Cacioppo and boy does he know his stuff.
Here's where I ordered from, but I've seen it on ebay. Since I ordered they've come out with the soft cover.
Here's the link...http://www.whitefishpress.com/catalog.asp
I'll keep yas posted,
Dom
Yes, funny you should mention it- I was just thinking about it this morning, wondering why it hadn't gathered more interest here. Mike is very knowledgeable indeed, and finished the book some months ago.
.
Well, there has been, as of this post, nearly 240 views. So clearly interest is different from cost considerations. It is a bit pricey for me at this time.
I will accept donations towards it's purchase however. ;D
Let me tell you guys... GO! get the book if you... collect Penn reels, are a reel enthusiast, love Penn reels and their history, or just wanna know what to look for when buying a vintage reel.
I'm on page 34 and I'll need to read this book more than once to retain the knowledge packed in it. I think I stared at the diagram (Pflueger/Penn similarities) on page 30 for an hour.
The early reel inventors were so innovative and ahead of their time it's crazy. Even crazier is how little Penn reels have changed in 80 years.
I would also like to say thanks to a resident here who has provided the author, Michael Cacioppo, with a wealth of information for this book... Thank you Mr. Janssen!
...I'd love to see photos of some of your gems that you may have in your collection... you probably outbid me on a few of those rare ones. ;)
This book will be some of the better money you've spent this year (I have zero affiliation with anyone!!!!!) ...just a big Penn Reels fan.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on October 13, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
Let me tell you guys... GO! get the book if you... collect Penn reels, are a reel enthusiast, love Penn reels and their history, or just wanna know what to look for when buying a vintage reel.
I'm on page 34 and I'll need to read this book more than once to retain the knowledge packed in it. I think I stared at the diagram (Pflueger/Penn similarities) on page 30 for an hour.
The early reel inventors were so innovative and ahead of their time it's crazy. Even crazier is how little Penn reels have changed in 80 years.
I would also like to say thanks to a resident here who has provided the author, Michael Cacioppo, with a wealth of information for this book... Thank you Mr. Janssen!
...I'd love to see photos of some of your gems that you may have in your collection... you probably outbid me on a few of those rare ones. ;)
This book will be some of the better money you've spent this year (I have zero affiliation with anyone!!!!!) ...just a big Penn Reels fan.
Dom
We were hoping you would scan the book and post the pages here! J/K ;D
The Author, Mike Cacioppo, has spent years and years of his time to bring us this book.
It is an absolute wealth of information for any Penn enthusiast.
He has interviewed experts, spent thousands on research, checked and cross referenced Penn Catalogs with Service Manuals, verified years, compared other manufacturers of the time, researched patents, taken pictures, etc., etc..
One will never know what it takes to put a book of this magnitude together properly -- until they try to do it themselves.
We all owe Mike a giant debt of gratitude -- who else could/would have done this? -- before it is lost to history like so many other reel manufacturers.
When we spend $60 - $100 for a frame, $30 - $40 for gears, sleeves, another $20 for drags, $20 for a handle -- not counting the price of the reel -- the price of the book is of little concern, IMHO.
In my opinion, it is probably priced too cheap for what it contains.
Best,
Fred
Bucktail,
I would, but I've got the hard cover version ;)
Fred,
I agree with every word... I'm so impressed by this book. Mike really hooked us up with this one!
Thanks
Dom
Hey, Dom --
The author, Mike Cacioppo, lives on Long Island also.
Best,
Fred
Fred,
Yeah, I read that, he's also a striped bass fisherman... he's aces in my book! ;)
Dom
Quote from: broadway on October 13, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
I would also like to say thanks to a resident here who has provided the author, Michael Cacioppo, with a wealth of information for this book... Thank you Mr. Janssen!
...I'd love to see photos of some of your gems that you may have in your collection... you probably outbid me on a few of those rare ones. ;)
Really? I didn't know that. Well, that's nice to hear. I'm flattered. You're welcome.
I mean, yes of course I know that I helped the author, but didn't know... what, is it mentioned somewhere in the book? I haven't seen it yet.
No, I have no collection worth mentioning, certainly not of Penn anyway.
I did not help the author write the book. Mike is far more knowledgeable than I.
I only assisted, by providing him with something of tremendous value to his pursuit, like giving a scholar the keys to a library, or introducing a chaplain to the Pope. Something along those lines. What he did with it was up to him, but I understand he had to rewrite the book as a result.
In any case, I'm glad to hear that some of you are finding it pleasant reading. As mentioned, it is an enormous undertaking, worthy of appreciation.
I'm going to order a copy for myself today.
.
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know if this book is going to be sold here in the U.K.
It would save a lot on postage if it is.
Mike.
Robert,
Any contribution to this work of art is worthy of appreciation. Check out page 2 and 3 in the acknowledgements section in the very beginning.
Thanks again,
Dom
JerseyMic, I have no idea... sorry!
Quote from: broadway on October 14, 2014, 01:44:52 PM
Robert,
Any contribution to this work of art is worthy of appreciation. Check out page 2 and 3 in the acknowledgements section in the very beginning.
Thanks again,
Dom
JerseyMic, I have no idea... sorry!
Thanks Dom, if it doesn't turn up here for sale, I'll just have to bite the bullet and pay the shipping.
Mike.
Definitely worth the extra dough. I saw then on eBay a while ago... Maybe give that a shot.
Dom
Quote from: broadway on October 14, 2014, 02:00:07 PM
Definitely worth the extra dough. I saw then on eBay a while ago... Maybe give that a shot.
Dom
Thanks again Dom, will take a look.
Mike.
I see there may be a Volume2 coming along covering Penn Spinners etc from 1957- 1982.
http://www.stripersonline.com/t/953376/the-chronological-history-of-penn-reels-1932-1957
That's two books I'll have to save for now ;D
Thanks for the heads up, Tom... I'm a buyer for sure!
Dom
Me too! ;)
This book should be called the pre-1957 penn bible. Surprising how many reels came and went thru the early years. I thought I knew of all the models from mid 1940's and newer, but Michael opened my eyes to the mysteriously non cataloged penn 49-A, which is a super wide version of the standard penn 49. They were produced for a small south African community, and according to Michaels history book, a few leftover wide spool 49-A models were sold in the USA. He has a very informative write-up about the 49-A in his book.
Wow, I thought to myself, wouldn't it be cool to stumble onto one of those rare wide 49's ???.....move forward 4 days, yep just 4 days later I stumbled onto one on fleabay for a buy it now price of pocket change.....Call it luck, or good timing, or whatever, but I'm very happy to have that wide 49 in my tiny collection. In an e-mail from Michael, he said it was extreme luck and timing both.
Since getting his book I have been looking for any unusual reels or literature, and I recently tripped and fell onto a mid 50's penn, unused in the original box, not a huge deal, except for it came with one of a kind catalog in half size format with color front, back, and inside pages. It has a color picture of a surf fisherman on the cover, and the thing almost fits in my chest pocket, in a size format never used since or previous. Michael confirmed it is one of one known to exist. I'll see about posting a few pics later if anyone is interested in seeing that catalog or the wide 49.
Tight lines, Ted
This book has made the number one slot on my Christmas list this year.
That's very cool, Ted... If love to see a wide 49 and that catalog. Maybe he'll put your catalog in the revised version. Also, any chance you can get mike on here to hang out with us and become part of the family?
The book is awesome and can't wait till January until I can get back to it :'( ...life just got too busy.
Thanks for sharing your new finds... Would love to see 'em.
Dom
Hi Ted,
I was also very lucky on eBay U.K. a while back, couldn't believe it, a 49A
After a bit of work it came up pretty clean.
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/jerseymic/49A/49A002_zpsafd2de04.jpg) (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/jerseymic/media/49A/49A002_zpsafd2de04.jpg.html)
Mike.
Wow! :o
Good Job Mike. ;)
If they don't turn up, will need a couple of parts for it to be totally happy, I am told I am too fussy and should lower my standards.
No chance, if it is going on display, it has to be perfect!!
Hi Mike --
What parts do you need? I might have some for you.
What is different about this reel?
Obviously the stand, posts, spool -- and probably the markings on the sideplates.
What would it take to make a reel similar to this -- from an existing 49 or 349?
Spool, stand, posts.
Is that a metal spool? -- painted or anodized?
Nice reel.
Best,
Fred
Quote from: foakes on November 15, 2014, 02:39:24 PM
Hi Mike --
What parts do you need? I might have some for you.
What is different about this reel?
Obviously the stand, posts, spool -- and probably the markings on the sideplates.
What would it take to make a reel similar to this -- from an existing 49 or 349?
Spool, stand, posts.
Is that a metal spool? -- painted or anodized?
Nice reel.
Best,
Fred
Hi Fred,
As far as I am aware it is as you say, stand (30-200), posts (37-67) and spool (plastic) which apparently is the rare beast.
The markings on the sideplates on mine are the same as the 49, and when I picked it up it appeared totally untouched (didn't appear to have been messed with) I am unaware if there were any sideplates marked 49A, perhaps someone can enlighten us on
that point. I need to get this book, just waiting to see if it appears for sale in the U.K., will save a lot of postage!
The part I was initially looking for was an unmarked chrome left outer sideplate ring, Sal is kindly trying to hunt one down for me but no luck yet, I know Scott's still has a limited supply but sometimes even new parts have scratches!
I have tried to polish out the scratches on the handle to no avail, so I also need an unmarked 24-49 chrome torpedo knob counter balanced handle.
The condition of the knob itself is unimportant, as it can easily be replaced, but the chrome has to be perfect as the reel is for display.
So those are the only two parts I need to make it mint!
A few more photos. The last one of the left sideplate was as it arrived, before I set to work, cleaning and polishing.
Both sideplates and spool had that matt aged tarnish, couldn't have that on display ;D
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/jerseymic/49A/49A003_zps7edb7af7.jpg) (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/jerseymic/media/49A/49A003_zps7edb7af7.jpg.html)
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/jerseymic/49A/49A001_zps9f5df941.jpg) (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/jerseymic/media/49A/49A001_zps9f5df941.jpg.html)
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/jerseymic/49A/49A004_zps0bd83076.jpg) (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/jerseymic/media/49A/49A004_zps0bd83076.jpg.html)
(http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/jerseymic/49A/49a3_zps4c03c8eb.jpg) (http://s973.photobucket.com/user/jerseymic/media/49A/49a3_zps4c03c8eb.jpg.html)
Thank you Fred,
Best wishes,
Mike.
Mike,
Sweet find! I was wondering why you're looking for unmarked side plate rings and handle if it doesn't have the unmarked handle nut? Also, I can't tell from the photos but it looks like the eccentric levers are the newer variety because they don't have the knurling or lines across them at the top.
That reel is in beautiful condition... I'll also keep my eyes open for ya.
Thanks for showing,
Dom
We got lucky Mike, but I will need a little time for it to get to me and I'll send it out to you.
Sal
Hi Mike --
If Sal hasn't found anything for you yet -- these may or may not meet your approval.
However, they are marked inside with part numbers -- 28-49, 2-49, and 24-49.
If you think they are better than what you already have, or not?
Sorry, didn't see that Sal already has you covered until after posting this -- sorry to interfere -- if I can help, let me know.
Best,
Fred
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/1B5912DB-CF50-42CF-A2C3-4C46A59BA981_zpshey5vi5q.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/1B5912DB-CF50-42CF-A2C3-4C46A59BA981_zpshey5vi5q.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/9C8A2F1C-01BC-43A4-ABD3-D300B3B9EC7B_zpszttq6wbq.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/9C8A2F1C-01BC-43A4-ABD3-D300B3B9EC7B_zpszttq6wbq.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/C270F76D-5ED2-49B3-8709-C20BB35C8720_zpsmywxihiq.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/C270F76D-5ED2-49B3-8709-C20BB35C8720_zpsmywxihiq.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/6AE2C971-46E6-4D85-AAC8-1D3376B7555C_zpssqidzkor.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/6AE2C971-46E6-4D85-AAC8-1D3376B7555C_zpssqidzkor.jpg.html)
Thanks for the heads up on the book Dom! I just ordered a copy.I can see us all fireside this winter pondering the passages of our new bible.....
Then running to the keyboard to discuss with the AT.com crew! ;D
Ok Mike, this is what I have for you, I couldn't find the rings, but I got this new reel. The rings do show some very fine marks, but I believe you would like it.
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/001_zpscdb7fe7e.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/001_zpscdb7fe7e.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/002_zps9279cfdc.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/002_zps9279cfdc.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/003_zps5b73cbd4.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/003_zps5b73cbd4.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/005_zpsc80a50ed.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/005_zpsc80a50ed.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/006_zps58d0a5a3.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/006_zps58d0a5a3.jpg.html)
I'll send you the complete reel and you decide what you want to do with it.
If Fred's look better see what you need to do with him, but I will still send you this reel.
Sal
Quote from: foakes on November 15, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
Hi Mike --
Sorry, didn't see that Sal already has you covered until after posting this -- sorry to interfere -- if I can help, let me know.
Best,
Fred
I wouldn't call that interfere Fred, you are one of a kind my friend, always jumping in to help. I'm waiting for the day that you will ask for something and I'm hoping that me and many others here would get into an argument on who would want the honor to take care of you.
You're an asset to this site Fred.
Sal
The first 49-A reels made were stamped 49 A on the head plate, but only a very few have ever surfaced and are in colletions in south Africa. The few wide 49's that were sold in the USA were not stamped 49 A, but were just a standard 49 with the wide spool, and according to Michaels book, those sold in the USA are later models, late 50's early 60's, so to restore one with all numbered parts is absolutely correct. Basically takes 2 reels to make that happen....1- 49 super mariner or deep sea reel for the sideplates, and one long beach 67 for the 6 posts and the stand. I spent too much money last month, so I have to wait to finish mine, but thanks for the picture, that's a sweet looking reel.
Ted
Dom, PM me your e-mail and I'll send you a couple pics of a catalog that is going to put shock waves across the entire penn reel collectors community.....and I want to share it here first.
Quote from: broadway on November 15, 2014, 04:47:44 PM
Mike,
Sweet find! I was wondering why you're looking for unmarked side plate rings and handle if it doesn't have the unmarked handle nut? Also, I can't tell from the photos but it looks like the eccentric levers are the newer variety because they don't have the knurling or lines across them at the top.
That reel is in beautiful condition... I'll also keep my eyes open for ya.
Thanks for showing,
Dom
Hi Dom,
The handle nut has been replaced since the photo and the levers are replacement 21-49's that are the same as those that came off the reel, so it looks like mine is the later model.
Unfortunately I didn't take photos of the reel before I started work on it, I was too eager to get it apart!!
Thank you for your offer but it looks like Sal has me covered.
Best wishes,
Mike.
Quote from: foakes on November 15, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
Hi Mike --
If Sal hasn't found anything for you yet -- these may or may not meet your approval.
However, they are marked inside with part numbers -- 28-49, 2-49, and 24-49.
If you think they are better than what you already have, or not?
Sorry, didn't see that Sal already has you covered until after posting this -- sorry to interfere -- if I can help, let me know.
Best,
Fred
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/1B5912DB-CF50-42CF-A2C3-4C46A59BA981_zpshey5vi5q.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/1B5912DB-CF50-42CF-A2C3-4C46A59BA981_zpshey5vi5q.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/9C8A2F1C-01BC-43A4-ABD3-D300B3B9EC7B_zpszttq6wbq.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/9C8A2F1C-01BC-43A4-ABD3-D300B3B9EC7B_zpszttq6wbq.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/C270F76D-5ED2-49B3-8709-C20BB35C8720_zpsmywxihiq.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/C270F76D-5ED2-49B3-8709-C20BB35C8720_zpsmywxihiq.jpg.html)
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx130/foakes1/6AE2C971-46E6-4D85-AAC8-1D3376B7555C_zpssqidzkor.jpg) (http://s748.photobucket.com/user/foakes1/media/6AE2C971-46E6-4D85-AAC8-1D3376B7555C_zpssqidzkor.jpg.html)
Hi Fred,
Thank you for your offer but yes Sal has me covered, you are not interfering at all, that is very kind of you.
The generosity and help given to me by all of you guys on this forum makes me feel very humble.
Thank you again,
Best wishes,
Mike.
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 15, 2014, 05:58:52 PM
Ok Mike, this is what I have for you, I couldn't find the rings, but I got this new reel. The rings do show some very fine marks, but I believe you would like it.
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/001_zpscdb7fe7e.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/001_zpscdb7fe7e.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/002_zps9279cfdc.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/002_zps9279cfdc.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/003_zps5b73cbd4.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/003_zps5b73cbd4.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/005_zpsc80a50ed.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/005_zpsc80a50ed.jpg.html)
(http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/pescatore3/006_zps58d0a5a3.jpg) (http://s766.photobucket.com/user/pescatore3/media/006_zps58d0a5a3.jpg.html)
I'll send you the complete reel and you decide what you want to do with it.
If Fred's look better see what you need to do with him, but I will still send you this reel.
Sal
That is wonderful Sal thank you.
Just the handle and the left outer ring will be fine, it will be a lot less postage, you keep the rest in stock, I am sure someone will need your help in the future with some of the other parts.
Thanks again my friend,
Best wishes,
Mike.
Ok Mike will do!
I got a quote, I was going to send it as you see it, the shipping would be over $36 :-\, this thing is close to 4lbs. I would still send it if you needed it, but if just the ring and handle will do for now, we'll go that route.
Later buddy.
Sal
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 16, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
Ok Mike will do!
I got a quote, I was going to send it as you see it, the shipping would be over $36 :-\, this thing is close to 4lbs. I would still send it if you needed it, but if just the ring and handle will do for now, we'll go that route.
Later buddy.
Sal
Thank you Sal, the ring and handle is all I need, that would be wonderful.
Let me know what I owe you when you get the revised postage.
Wish I could be of more use to you and the guys like you are to me, but anytime I can be of use just let me know.
Take care my friend,
Mike.
Mike, you owe me the usual ;), that would be the same amount of what you charge me when you send stuff here. ;D
Quote from: Alto Mare on November 16, 2014, 12:25:47 PM
Mike, you owe me the usual ;), that would be the same amount of what you charge me when you send stuff here. ;D
Ok buddy 8)
Glad to see you get a rare oldie back to such perfect condition... good stuff!
Dom
Quote from: broadway on November 17, 2014, 04:20:58 AM
Glad to see you get a rare oldie back to such perfect condition... good stuff!
Dom
Thanks Dom I like to tinker.
I am working on a Sailfisher 130 at the moment, trying to repair the chips and gouges in the sideplates.
If I am successful and happy with the result, I will then be trying to hunt down all the chrome parts that need to be replaced, which will probably be difficult!
Mike.
Hello to everyone,
I noticed there are many people interested in Penn reels and while i was reading through this thread about the wide 49's and the 49A's , i thought you might like to see the only 49A box I have ever seen. It was on ebay in Australia a few years ago. Somehow i managed to sneak through Alan's security and am now a member. This is my first posting here.
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/49AsoldonebayAustralia.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/49AsoldonebayAustralia.jpg.html)
(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/kingfisher57/49AsoldinAustraliaEbay.jpg) (http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kingfisher57/media/49AsoldinAustraliaEbay.jpg.html)
I think that it is interesting that it has no outer rings. I wonder why.
Also, welcome aboard.
Nice find Superhook
Good observation . I'd be inclined to believe that someone removed them. The sideplates show they are moulded for the rings to be fitted. The #149's only had inner rings. We will have to see If other 49A's are found the same or with the outer rings fitted. I have seen South African 49A's and they were fitted with the usual 4 rings. Thanks for the welcome.
WELCOME! Superhook. ;D
Mike, good luck with the surf master. I'm sure you'll get it together with some persistence.
Cool find! If they made 1... I'm sure there are more out there but certainly not too many.
I can see a one of a kind reel being made as a prototype, but can't imagine a one of a kind prototype box.
Get some rings on that thing, so you can show her in her full glory. Thanks for letting us know that these things are out there.
Thanks
Dom
Hello Superhook, our adventure continues in what seems like a very Penn friendly place.
Greetings Penn Heads, it is good to be here.
Mike Cacioppo ;)
Good to have you on board, Mike --
We look forward to your sharing of Penn information.
Your knowledge is vast and accurate.
You are a Gentleman, a Scholar, and a judge of good reels...
All the Best,
Fred
Yeah buddy! Bout time you joined us, Mike.
I don't personally know you, but I've followed you on the orca forum, read some of your articles, and now I'm reading your book. You're definitely full of Penn knowledge and seem to be more than willing to share it.
Thanks for helping us understand our reels and their history better than anyone can.
Is it true that you have a revised version of your book in the works? Also, I heard about maybe a part 2 covering more recent reels than last book?
Welcome aboard.... You're gonna blend in here beautifully.
Thanks
Dom
Thanks for the welcome. I would have been hear earlier if I was aware of the site. I have been an ORCA member for many years, I work, Buy, Collect and Sell Penn and other brand Reels, take care of my family, write and sometimes even get time to go fishing.
I agree, what took me so long to get here? Now that I am here, I will gladly share and learn about whatever I can. Here are a couple of 49A pics.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn49AwithnormalandwidePenn49s001640x480_zps2a00fa74.jpg)
For some reason the Preview feature is not working for me, so I am going to go for the post on the blind.
This first picture is a early Penn 49A which was found in a tackle shop in Alaska. The story goes, a visitor visiting Alaska from South Africa brought the reel into the shop for repair and never returned to pick it up. A few years down the road, the shop owner listed the reel on EBay, that is how I got it. It is a early 1950's model. Penn started working part numbered parts into their stock in the very early 1950's. Reels produced in those early 1950 years had a mix of numbered and non-numbered parts.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Penn49AwithnormalandwidePenn49s005640x480_zps102af52f.jpg)
Here is the logo. No way of knowing how many reels were made with the "A" imprinted after the model number but I do know that finding reels with the "A" in the logo outside of South Africa is no easy task. Even in South Africa, most of the wide 49's are not marked with the "A". Reason for that probably relates to the age. "A" marked models are older and more used up.
All 49's have trim rings on the outboard side of the plates as well as on the inboard side. The reel pictured with the box must have had them removed for a reason.
Well here goes my first attempt at posting here with photos.
Hey Mike,
The photos came out perfect. I was just doing some research and thought you and the others would like to see the wealth of info that I found.
Page 2, 8 postings down is what I believe to be the answer to where/ why this reel came to be.
Very interesting stuff...
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=84587&forum_id=39&page=2
Enjoy,
Dom
PS- Thanks for the explanation of why it would have a handle nut with numbers on it. I don't know why I didn't think of that after reading through your book.
You always say they didn't waste anything back then, so when they ran out of a part or box is when they changed over.
Thanks!
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 17, 2014, 04:41:49 PM
Hello Superhook, our adventure continues in what seems like a very Penn friendly place.
Greetings Penn Heads, it is good to be here.
Mike Cacioppo ;)
Welcome aboard Mike, nice to have you with us.
Sal
Welcome Mike! ;)
We are glad you are here! ;D
Welcome aboard Mike! Your reputation precedes you, and we look forward to having your wealth of knowledge available. I too am an ORCA member and am looking forward to reading your book.
Superhook,
Does the reel pictured above have the plastic/Bakelite spool on it? My eyes might be playing tricks on me.
Welcome aboard Superhook, you're really coming in with a band ;D, thanks for sharing.
Sal
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 17, 2014, 04:41:49 PM
Hello Superhook, our adventure continues in what seems like a very Penn friendly place.
Greetings Penn Heads, it is good to be here.
Mike Cacioppo ;)
Welcome to alantani Mr. Cacioppa, With your knowledge of factory correct penns, and Sals knowledge of turning some of them into tanks, and all the other great knowledgeable members.........I'd say this has to be the best reel website on the planet, or I guess it was already there, so now it's best in the universe !!!
Looking forward to your input Michael....and I'm certain many other members are as well.
Hey Michael, is it true there was a long beach quick take apart reel made ??? If so, Do you have a picture ???
MD
Thank you all for a warm welcome.
Tightlines666 , I have to assume the spool is factory plastic . Never seen a metal one or a chrome plated version from the Penn factory. I have seen aftermarket black anodized aluminium spools. The reel and box pictured sold on ebay and i only discovered it TOO LATE , it had already been sold and yes i was dirty on missing out on a chance to bid.
Hello Mike, fancy bumping into you here. Welcome to a great crowd.
Broadway ,Regarding the 49 wide spool/49A there is a good write up on its coming about in the November 2013 ORCA Reel News magazine written by Mlke Cacioppo.
Thank you all for the warm welcome.
Funny you mentioned the Sealine site. I have many friends on that site. That's where the history of how and why the 49A exists in the first place. The South African sport fisherman are a super hardy breed fishing for Tuna and Sharks right off the Jetties back in the 1950's.
The first 49A was actually a home made set of three reels that was noticed by a Penn Agent. One of the reels was sent to Penn as a curiosity but Penn took it serious enough to question why it was needed in the first place. When Penn decided there was a good market for this reel, they simply had to make a spool for it. Since the reel is specifically designed to catch Tuna, the spool had to be made stronger that plain Bakelite, so these spools are fiberglass reinforced Bakelite. They were actually a composite type material. Penn did not want to go to a wide metal spool because a lightweight spool was desired for casting and fast retrieve of the artificial baits.
Yes, there is a Long Beach take apart. Two are known to exist, I believe they are prototypes for the Penn Coronado.
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration084_zps4874dfd3.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration074_zpsf37aa67c.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration018_zps8306173b.jpg)
Looking at one is a study in confusion. If you are familiar with the 1933 Long Beach, then you know it is a three cross bar reel. The 1933 Long Beach is used to create this prototype, so the cross bar holes had to be plugged on the tail plate and used as a mounting ring fastener on the head plate. The holes were added to the side plates in order to convert a three post reel to a four post reel.
I believe Penn created this Hybrid Long Beach / Coronado to provide a few West Coast salesmen with examples to show their heavy West Coast commercial buyers. I do not believe this reel was ever made for the public.
Hello Superhook aka Ray. I think we are about five years late finding this site. :-[
Oh, by the way, I know you guys are hanging around here somewhere.
Hello to Rob Janssen and Gadabout.
Ray,
I'm looking forward to the write up, but I hope I didn't miss it... November 2013 or did you mean 2014? Glad to have you aboard!
Mike,
That Long Beach is nice shape on the outside, but will need the Alan Tani treatment on the inside before you can fish with it for some L.I. sound porgy ;)
I was reading the topic on Sealine about South Africa's gods of fishing, and one thing that was amazing to me was the old school fishermen climbed down cliffs with their gear to fish off ledges that were so small they could only cast lefty in some situations. They were fishing for tuna with these 49A's locked down with spanner wrenches and just used brute force. Now, that's serious stuff... they'd be laughing at me while I got yoked off the ledge and go from fisherman to waterskier. ;D
Thanks
Dom
Welcome Mike and Ray!
I JUST TOOK A PART TWO PENN'S I GOT FROM A FRIEND. ONE WAS A PENN MONOFIL NO 25. THE BACK PLATE WAS BROKEN. THIS REEL HAS A METAL SPOOL IN IT. THE OTHER ONE IS A NO 155. BOTH ARE IN ROUGH CONDITION. I HAVEN'T DECIDED IF I WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.
(http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv242/DAVEMCCALL1234/11-17-2014%20PENN/606657780.jpg) (http://s688.photobucket.com/user/DAVEMCCALL1234/media/11-17-2014%20PENN/606657780.jpg.html)
I'm sure somebody here could use them. Don't use them as target practice! ;)
QuoteThat Long Beach is nice shape on the outside, but will need the Alan Tani treatment on the inside before you can fish with it for some L.I. sound porgy
I know it looks dirty on the inside. That's my fault. When I restore a reel of that importance, I take before and after photos. The outside shots are from the group of after photos and the shot of the internals is from the before photo group.
Here are some of the internals during the clean up and finally assembled:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration042_zps8f1094b4.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration041_zpsd478b24a.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration056_zpsd68c947a.jpg)
This is over 80 years old and all the parts are original with original finishes. When I do a reel like this, my criteria is to simply clean it and get it operating as it should. Maintaining its original parts, even if they do not look perfect, if very important to me.
Hello Broadway,
Mike's South African story was in last years November 2013 ORCA Reel News Magazine.
Fantastic find Mike, If you'd never seen the first of the Coronado reels with the screws into the headplate ring you'd never know it was one of the Penn factory prototypes of the Coronado.
Thanks Ray, I'll have to check it out.
Mike, nice job on the cleaning... I figured you didn't put that in your collection with green on the clicker ring and such ;)
Dom
Does anyone know when the medium size senators ( 9/0, 10/0, 12/0) switched from a bushing to ball bearing for the spool on the head plate ???
I know the 14/0 and 16/0 had bearings way before the others, just wasn't sure what approximate year that bushing went away on the other senators.
QuoteDoes anyone know when the medium size senators ( 9/0, 10/0, 12/0) switched from a bushing to ball bearing for the spool on the head plate Huh?
I know the 14/0 and 16/0 had bearings way before the others, just wasn't sure what approximate year that bushing went away on the other senators.
This is always an interesting question. The 14 & 16/O's were always built with the spool running in Ball Bearings. That goes back to the late 1930's. The 10 & 12/O changed over to Ball Bearings in 1955 with the introduction of the heavy one piece Bronze spool.
The 9/O is the odd ball of the group. The bronze spool was used on the 9/O from 1957 but Penn left the sleeve bearings in place on the 9/O for many years. It was not until 1970 that Penn decided to run the bronze one piece spool of the 9/O in Ball Bearings. So when looking to replace a bronze one piece spool in a 9/O, you have to watch what spool you use. The shaft on the head plate side of a post 1970 Senator 9/O is much longer than a earlier model even thought both models use the one piece bronze spool.
The rule applies to the 10 & 12/O but in a different way. If you want to upgrade a 10 or 12/O reel with a Bronze spool and that reel was built with sleeve bearings and a three piece spool, the upgrade will not work. A bronze one piece spool will not fit in any 12/O older than 1955 because of the earlier sleeve bearings. Ball bearings call for a longer head plate spool shaft.
Wow!! Just when I thought I might know a little, it appears I know VERY little. This guys knowledge of Penns is amazing!!
TomT
Quote from: Penn Chronology on November 18, 2014, 02:33:43 AM
QuoteThat Long Beach is nice shape on the outside, but will need the Alan Tani treatment on the inside before you can fish with it for some L.I. sound porgy
I know it looks dirty on the inside. That's my fault. When I restore a reel of that importance, I take before and after photos. The outside shots are from the group of after photos and the shot of the internals is from the before photo group.
Here are some of the internals during the clean up and finally assembled:
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration042_zps8f1094b4.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration041_zpsd478b24a.jpg)
(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/m3040c/Long%20Beach%20%20%20Coronado/LongBeach--PrototypeCoronadorestoration056_zpsd68c947a.jpg)
This is over 80 years old and all the parts are original with original finishes. When I do a reel like this, my criteria is to simply clean it and get it operating as it should. Maintaining its original parts, even if they do not look perfect, if very important to me.
That reel sure looks familiar Mike! I loved reading the book, but I'm going to need to trade you something for a paperback copy because I need one to use as a reference as I don't want to put any wear on the special copy that you sent to me. I have two NOS brown three-post tail plates. Would they possibly be worth a paperback edition? If so, I will send you some photos next week. I also picked up an early "Black Diamond" Long Beach.
Thanks,
Randy
Hello Randy,
At this time I do not have copies of my book for sale. I did not private publish, so I am not distributing the book, the publisher is. If you go to Whitefishpress.com, the soft cover edition is for sale in their catalog section.
does anybody know where i can find this book in hardcover ?
thks mark
QuoteHello Randy,
At this time I do not have copies of my book for sale. I did not private publish, so I am not distributing the book, the publisher is. If you go to Whitefishpress.com, the soft cover edition is for sale in their catalog section
By this time I believe everyone knows that I have softcover copies for sale for $55.00. As I sell my stock I will sign them and offer free shipping in USA at that price.
Quotedoes anybody know where i can find this book in hardcover ?
thks mark
The hard cover editions are sold out. Look for listings on EBay. There were 100 limited edition hard cover issues printed. I have not seen any for sale yet.
Quote from: Irish Jigger on October 14, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
I see there may be a Volume2 coming along covering Penn Spinners etc from 1957- 1982.
http://www.stripersonline.com/t/953376/the-chronological-history-of-penn-reels-1932-1957
Mike,
Any word on this?
I imagine you are a busy man, and probably have got more then one iron in the fire.
Quote from: Irish Jigger on October 14, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
I see there may be a Volume2 coming along covering Penn Spinners etc from 1957- 1982.
Excellent! If anyone can give a definitive answer as to whether or not that elusive metal-bodied 440SS actually ever existed, it's Mr. C. :)
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